'Especially vulnerable areas' increase in Sweden - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Eight new districts in Sweden have been added to a high-profile police list of 'especially vulnerable areas', where crime rates and poverty levels are often high, reports Swedish newspaper DN. In 2015 Sweden's national police released a report of 53 so-called vulnerable areas, including 15 considered especially vulnerable. Eight new districts have now been added to that list, which has not yet been made public, bringing the latter number up to 23, reports the DN newspaper. The term "no-go zone" caught on in some international media back in 2015 after it was used by a Swedish newspaper columnist to label these areas, but it has been strongly rejected by police themselves. The police definition of such districts describe them as socio-economically vulnerable areas where crime and poverty rates are generally high, where police regularly have to adapt their methods and equipment to the volatile situation, where there may be violent religious extremism and where residents often do not report crimes to the police, either out of fear of retaliation or because they think it will not lead to anything. According to DN, the new especially vulnerable areas are: Norrby and Hässleholmen/Hulta in Borås, Tynnered/Grevegården/Opaltorget in Gothenburg, Karlslund in Landskrona, Nydala/Hermodsdal/Lindängen in Malmö, Fittja and Alby in Stockholm and Gottsunda in Uppsala. Linda Staaf, who heads the national police NOA's intelligence department, told the newspaper that some of these areas should have been classified as especially vulnerable in the previous report in 2015, but that the police had then not collected enough information to properly assess the situation there. Last week The Local reported that at least one of these areas, Seved in Malmö, may be on the right path, with police telling us that it may be removed from the list in just a couple of years. "The criminal network is still there, but they are becoming fewer and fewer and we are very happy that we're not seeing any new recruitment. There are no younger members connected to this network, so they are getting older and older and fewer and fewer," said the police's municipal liaison officer Jonatan Örstrand, adding that it “all depends on the course of the future”. [/quote] [url]https://www.thelocal.se/20170612/especially-vulnerable-areas-increase-in-sweden-report[/url] Swedish Source [url]http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sverige-har-fatt-fler-problemomraden-krisstamning-inom-polisledningen/[/url] I checked the Media fact check for the Local, and the [url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-local-norway/]Norway[/url] one was listed left-center and High factual reporting. So hopefully this holds true, or atleast somone can confirm the DN source is good aswell. I am personally happy that atleast a place like Malmo is getting better apparently, but this trend of adding more areas is concerning still.

I feel like it's relevant posting this article from a while back that explains a little more what these zones actually are. [url]http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6630452[/url]

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52355146]I feel like it's relevant posting this article from a while back that explains a little more what these zones actually are. [url]http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6630452[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]The police do not use the term 'no-go zones,' but Gudmundson argued it was a good way to describe a place where, quoting the report, "the public in several instances feel that it is the criminals who run the areas" and where "police cannot carry out their job." The term 'no-go zones' quickly caught on, and it continues to do the rounds in social media today. But Erik Åkerlund thinks this is not a serious way of describing the work they do in the prioritised areas. He has seen examples from elsewhere in Europe, where police actually do seem to look upon certain areas as no-go zones, meaning that they only enter these areas with a certain sort of vehicles, with special police officers and enforced tactics. This is very far from the Swedish model, which includes outreach work, preventative measures and daily patrols on foot, Åkerlund said. This is not to say that there are no problems in these areas, there is a reason that they have been defined as 'particularly vulnerable'. But the advantage of the definition is that it has meant a significant rise in resources, said Åkerlund. Today, there are twice as many police officers on the beat in Botkyrka compared to only a year and a half ago. [/quote] Essentially the term can be valid in other cases, but here they don't feel it applies because of outreach/patrolling. Imo, it might be disingenuous to use "no-go" as a term, but certainly these areas are incredibly concerning and you don't want them to get worse. [quote]The police definition of such districts describe them as socio-economically vulnerable areas where crime and poverty rates are generally high, where police regularly have to adapt their methods and equipment to the volatile situation, where there may be violent religious extremism and where residents often do not report crimes to the police, either out of fear of retaliation or because they think it will not lead to anything.[/quote] Things like this from the Local shows how close these areas are to matching the description mentioned in this source.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52355206]Essentially the term can be valid in other cases, but here they don't feel it applies because of outreach/patrolling. Imo, it might be disingenuous to use "no-go" as a term, but certainly these areas are incredibly concerning and you don't want them to get worse. Things like this from the Local shows how close these areas are to matching the description mentioned in this source.[/QUOTE] [B]Important to note, because people frequently forget to do so:[/B] These kinds of areas are not exclusive to Sweden, or even Europe. These kinds of "especially vulnerable" areas exist at large across the world - anywhere from the United States to Moscow (and very much at large, and very much more dangerous than the areas in Sweden). They're called ghettos, and it's not a new concept.

[B] Fittja [/B]. Ayy I live there.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;52355406][B] Fittja [/B]. Ayy I live there.[/QUOTE] How is it over there?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;52355406][B] Fittja [/B]. Ayy I live there.[/QUOTE] I can't believe Swebonny is fucking dead. Oh wait, he isn't, because these areas are not what the media wants you to think they are.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52355429]How is it over there?[/QUOTE] Swebonny lives there so it must be pretty bad :v:

[QUOTE=Crimor;52355931]Swebonny lives there so it must be pretty bad :v:[/QUOTE]Moderators are exclusively recruited from the worst ghettoes and warzones.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52355967]Moderators are exclusively recruited from the worst ghettoes and warzones.[/QUOTE] Then what about Rusty? He was born with a silver spoon up his ass.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52355314][B]Important to note, because people frequently forget to do so:[/B] These kinds of areas are not exclusive to Sweden, or even Europe. These kinds of "especially vulnerable" areas exist at large across the world - anywhere from the United States to Moscow (and very much at large, and very much more dangerous than the areas in Sweden). They're called ghettos, and it's not a new concept.[/QUOTE] I know that post is suppose to make things sound less awful, but these areas are still growing in number, and that is still concerning irrespective of their similar nature to a ghetto.

Shouldn't this be in polidicks since you only posted it to make trump look right earlier this year?

How about you listen to people who actually live in these areas or in Sweden itself instead of just going "NO-GO = BAD"

americans, in country ranked 92nd in murder rate per capita: "sweden (175th place) is becoming uninhabitable"

Norrköping, Hageby residence here, place is a known "problem area" across town. Its not THAT bad.

[QUOTE=1239the;52356998]americans, in country ranked 92nd in murder rate per capita: "sweden (175th place) is becoming uninhabitable"[/QUOTE] Is it bad that I never would have guessed we were that low.

[QUOTE=1239the;52356998]americans, in country ranked 92nd in murder rate per capita: "sweden (175th place) is becoming uninhabitable"[/QUOTE] There are always statistics you can just cherry pick. For example: Still some things to be concerned about when the UN predicts Sweden's HDI to fall and be behind in development of other third world countries by 2030. [t]https://s1.postimg.org/uutleiw33/HDI.png[/t] But to be fair, there are other factors to consider than something as stupid as just picking out a murder rate which ignores other crimes, economics, and strife. Atleast the HDI is somewhat comprehensive, and I am willing to admit there are other factors to take into effect. Whoops thought I had posted the source [url]http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52357118]There are always statistics you can just cherry pick. For example: Still some things to be concerned about when the UN predicts Sweden's HDI to fall and be behind in development of other third world countries by 2030. [t]https://s1.postimg.org/uutleiw33/HDI.png[/t] But to be fair, there are other factors to consider than something as stupid as just picking out a murder rate which ignores other crimes, economics, and strife. Atleast the HDI is somewhat comprehensive, and I am willing to admit there are other factors to take into effect.[/QUOTE] Why didn't you cite your source? [URL="http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf"]This is the report[/URL] that picture is from. All it does is take the last five years of trends and project it out 30 years. Hence why the table is "User data" [QUOTE] One can compare results from the base model with independent projections of HDI (Table 11). These projections, provided by the Human Development Report Office, were done by recalculating the HDI, using, for components of the HDI, projections of the components conducted by agencies that provide the UNDP with data for the HDI. Using this approach (“user approach”) HDI was projected/re - calculated for 82 countries for which there was a complete data series for the 2010-2030 period.[/QUOTE] The problem is forecasting HDI is notoriously difficult due to the wide array of interconnected factors and this becomes almost immediately apparent when you look at what happened just five years after this report was commissioned. Since Sweden experienced a slight decrease in the years preceding the study, and countries like Cuba and Greece experienced a small increase, the forecast was that Sweden would continue to plummet while Cuba and Greece would shoot to the top. Lo and behold as early as 2014 arrives and the story is completely different. Greece drops substantially in the rankings while Cuba drops a fair bit as well. As for Sweden, they plummeted from 15th to 12th by 2014 :v:. They are ranked at 14 right now which is still higher than when this study was commissioned.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52355988]Then what about Rusty? He was born with a silver spoon up his ass.[/QUOTE] He's Australian.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52357310]He's Australian.[/QUOTE] Technically new zeland is aswell.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52357310]He's Australian.[/QUOTE] Creepy crawler zones

I don't understand why Tudd is so obsessed with this topic, I'm going through Rosengård in Malmö right now, which is supposedly [I]the[/I] no go zone, and it seriously is nothing as portrayed. Sure, the area is poorer than the rest of Malmö, and it is mostly populated by first generation immigrants but it seriously isn't bad, the apartments there are pretty on par with what you would see in an American city. I've honest to god never witnessed any crimes and I go by this neighborhood every day, and I know crime, I know what a dangerous place is like. The issue is completely overblown and what American conservatives are saying about Sweden is entirely false.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52355429]How is it over there?[/QUOTE] It's actually quite nice to be honest. The police refer to vulnerability as in, how vulnerable the area is to criminal gangs, gang recruitment, drug sale and general crime. Since these areas are more segregated, often poor and population not having a higher education, it's easier for criminals to establish themselves in these areas. That is of course not good, as it could potentially lead to actual dangerous "ghettos". But if you're just walking around Fittja as a tourist and compare it to central Stockholm, the major differences you are going to notice are, more non-white people and more ugly apartment buildings. Speaking of crime, the most crime ridden area is actually in central Stockholm, the street where I live close to is ranked 95th in Stockholm. But that can likely be attributed to the fact that there are more people in central Stockholm, and all the party places are there and so on ... But in general Fittja is quite safe, but vulnerable as stated in the police reports, which also means that there are criminal groups established here. Map shows reported crime / km^2 [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/rux7fx3b7qm4zk1/crime.png[/t] I was cleaning our roof yesterday, here's 10 second Snap of the surrounding area :v: [vid]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3843429/Snapchat-1344852822.mp4[/vid]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52356029]I know that post is suppose to make things sound less awful, but these areas are still growing in number, and that is still concerning irrespective of their similar nature to a ghetto.[/QUOTE] Ghettos and poverty-ridden neighborhoods are being established in the US on a frequent basis, but I don't see you creating threads about that. One new area is established in Sweden and you jump on it immediately. Your agenda is as clear as day, lad. [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] I live in Skärholmen, by the way. It's one of the supposed "no-go" zones. About the worst thing I've encountered is the occasional person sneaking through the metro turnstiles, which even though it's annoying I can't really blame them since a month worth of local transport access costs about [B]$100[/B]. Other than that it's nice here.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52357488]I don't understand why Tudd is so obsessed with this topic, I'm going through Rosengård in Malmö right now, which is supposedly [I]the[/I] no go zone, and it seriously is nothing as portrayed. Sure, the area is poorer than the rest of Malmö, and it is mostly populated by first generation immigrants but it seriously isn't bad, the apartments there are pretty on par with what you would see in an American city. I've honest to god never witnessed any crimes and I go by this neighborhood every day, and I know crime, I know what a dangerous place is like. The issue is completely overblown and what American conservatives are saying about Sweden is entirely false.[/QUOTE] because conservatives can't stand the idea of multiculturalism and socialism not ending in total, unmitigated disaster, so they construct a fantasy where Sweden is constantly on fire and also an authoritarian hellscape, and cling to any shred of misconstrued evidence to support that fantasy.

[QUOTE=1239the;52357873]because conservatives can't stand the idea of multiculturalism and socialism not ending in total, unmitigated disaster, so they construct a fantasy where Sweden is constantly on fire and also an authoritarian hellscape, and cling to any shred of misconstrued evidence to support that fantasy.[/QUOTE] I don't really understand why specifically Sweden. I am 100% sure there are better examples for people like Tudd to twist for their own narrative.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;52358353]I don't really understand why specifically Sweden. I am 100% sure there are better examples for people like Tudd to twist for their own narrative.[/QUOTE] Because Sweden takes in more refugees than many other countries, so Sweden and also Germany are often targeted because of this to show how bad multiculturalism and immigrants are.

[QUOTE=Starship;52358381]Because Sweden takes in more refugees than many other countries, so Sweden and also Germany are often targeted because of this to show how bad multiculturalism and immigrants are.[/QUOTE] That's so mindboggingly stupid. The US has tons of both of those. Oh but I forgot, if they are not here to escape from bad conditions, they are "expats".

This narrative that Sweden is a hellhole is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;52358760]This narrative that Sweden is a hellhole is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] (Turn on captions) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_OTj2CGhqA[/media]