15 companies announce termination of their NRA member discount programs - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Delta and United — two of the largest airlines in the world — have joined a growing list of companies cutting ties with the National Rifle Association amid a growing boycott movement inspired by the Feb. 14 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School with a legally purchased AR-15 rifle. Without context, the airlines’ twin announcements on Saturday morning might look trivial: The end of a discount program for NRA members, which few outside the gun rights organization likely knew existed before the boycott efforts. But because they follow similar announcements by car rental giants Avis, Hertz and Enterprise, the Best Western hotel chain, the global insurance company MetLife, and more than a dozen other corporations that used to contract, partner or otherwise affiliate with the NRA, the airline’s move is the latest victory for the #BoycottNRA movement — and the latest bad omen for a gun rights lobby that had seemed untouchable less than two weeks ago. First National Bank of Omaha, one of the largest private U.S. banks, may have been the first to respond publicly to the boycott calls. The bank had previously advertised the “Official Credit Card of the NRA,” according to the Omaha World-Herald — a Visa card with 5 percent back on gas and sporting good purchases. “Customer feedback has caused us to review our relationship with the NRA,” the bank said in a statement published Thursday, eights days after the Parkland shooting. “As a result, First National Bank of Omaha will not renew its contract with the National Rifle Association to issue the NRA Visa Card.”[/quote] [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/02/24/united-and-delta-cut-ties-to-nra-as-boycott-movement-spreads-to-global-corporations/]Washington Post[/url]

Good, show them that the things they're doing won't be tolerated.

I'm pretty sure anyone sane who isn't a politician or isn't in some sort of corporation hates the NRA. Doesn't even matter if they're guns rights or gun control the NRA is pretty much a joke. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] Also nice to see my dad's company cutting ties. I still think United higher-ups are sniveling little shits, but it's good they aren't associated with even bigger shitheads.

The NRA does a good job at making guns look scary and making anti-gun propaganda, I'll say that [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] Isn't that the irony... though?

Why was there a discount in the first place?

Time for the GOA to shine?

This should of happened after Sandy Hook

[video=youtube;PrnIVVWtAag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag[/video] I never thought much about NRA until I saw this ad. Talk about terror organization vibes.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;53156793]Time for the GOA to shine?[/QUOTE] I hope gun based youtube channels like hickok45 cut ties with the nra and go with the goa or other organizations.

I'm pro-gun and hate the NRA. Let's create a new American gun advocacy group, we'll call it Guns of the Patriots.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;53156845][video=youtube;PrnIVVWtAag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag[/video] I never thought much about NRA until I saw this ad. Talk about terror organization vibes.[/QUOTE] holy fucking shit I've never seen this before. What a terrifying thing

Not to change the subject, but it's very eerie how similar that ad is the the MGS4 PMC's commercials.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;53156845][video=youtube;PrnIVVWtAag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag[/video] I never thought much about NRA until I saw this ad. Talk about terror organization vibes.[/QUOTE] That is legitimately terrifying.

[QUOTE=SAULSBASHWALL;53156932]I'm pro-gun and hate the NRA. Let's create a new American gun advocacy group, we'll call it Guns of the Patriots.[/QUOTE] I am completely on board with this so long as we have a finger-gun-only firing range. [media]https://youtu.be/rwfC3J3WILQ?t=1[/media]

why the heck did any of these companies sign up with the NRA to begin with? like delta really isn't getting anything out of giving them discounts

[QUOTE=Sableye;53157282]why the heck did any of these companies sign up with the NRA to begin with? like delta really isn't getting anything out of giving them discounts[/QUOTE] In a word: Customers. Alternatively: Free targeted advertisement and incentives to use their service to millions of people for effectively a few cents on the dollar.

What an excellent way to help them ramp up their cash reserves and drive donations. Nothing says "We need your help now more than ever!" like giving them the ability to paint themselves as "victims of people who want to take your gun rights away". We're just giving them something to use as the canary in the coal mine.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53157294]What an excellent way to help them ramp up their cash reserves and drive donations. Nothing says "We need your help now more than ever!" like giving them the ability to paint themselves as "victims of people who want to take your gun rights away". We're just giving them something to use as the canary in the coal mine.[/QUOTE] They were already using 'truth' and 'liberals' as things to use as the canary in their coal mine. Companies are starting to abandon them, putting pressure on the remainder who're still clinging on. That means that pressure is going to start being felt at firing ranges -- which are the NRA's breadbasket. If those firing ranges stop working with the NRA due to public dissent, a [I]huge[/I] amount of their power and advertising power is immediately gone. Additionally, them saying that people 'need to help them now more than ever by donating money' rather than changing their positions on anything despite increasing public pressure will only further increase public pressure on them as it shows, demonstrably, that they're not listening, which makes it even harder for those who try to cling on to them to justify their reasoning for doing so. By weakening their position by refusing to hear the public, they are only fueling the possibility for another group to rise and offer the same services without the rhetoric the public dislikes - which would truly be a possible death knell for their organization.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53157294]What an excellent way to help them ramp up their cash reserves and drive donations. Nothing says "We need your help now more than ever!" like giving them the ability to paint themselves as "victims of people who want to take your gun rights away". We're just giving them something to use as the canary in the coal mine.[/QUOTE] If this is the mindset everyone had about right wing lunatics we'd get nothing done. We know by now that the SOP for right wing groups is to try and make any attempts to prove them wrong into a "they're bullying us!!!" scenario. Fuck that noise. Don't let them control the narrative and push on. If people are willing to throw money at them for that they're either already lost causes too indoctrinated to break free from that shitshow or just uneducated about what's actually going on.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53157307]They were already using 'truth' and 'liberals' as things to use as the canary in their coal mine. Companies are starting to abandon them, putting pressure on the remainder who're still clinging on. That means that pressure is going to start being felt at firing ranges -- which are the NRA's breadbasket. If those firing ranges stop working with the NRA due to public dissent, a [I]huge[/I] amount of their power and advertising power is immediately gone. Additionally, them saying that people 'need to help them now more than ever by donating money' rather than changing their positions on anything despite increasing public pressure will only further increase public pressure on them as it shows, demonstrably, that they're not listening, which makes it even harder for those who try to cling on to them to justify their reasoning for doing so. By weakening their position by refusing to hear the public, they are only fueling the possibility for another group to rise and offer the same services without the rhetoric the public dislikes - which would truly be a possible death knell for their organization.[/QUOTE] You act as if public pressure means absolutely anything, as if the NRA is a company. Gun owners are already demonized. NRA members are already demonized. You can't "dissent" any more than that. The NRA and their members are basically the only people who like the NRA. The NRA DOESN'T HAVE to hear the public because it is funded by enough people already who agree with what it's saying. The only way to kill them is to cut off the reason people listen to them in the first place, therefore their funds. But that won't happen because people just LOOOOOVVVEEE gun control and trying to ban things they are scared of.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;53157320]If this is the mindset everyone had about right wing lunatics we'd get nothing done. We know by now that the SOP for right wing groups is to try and make any attempts to prove them wrong into a "they're bullying us!!!" scenario. Fuck that noise. Don't let them control the narrative and push on. If people are willing to throw money at them for that they're either already lost causes too indoctrinated to break free from that shitshow or just uneducated about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE] It's always Lose-Lose with Silence. His mission seems to be convincing people that it's best to just sit back and let the increasingly radicalized right wing do its thing, because literally any response whatsoever is just "fuel for the fire."

[QUOTE=hexpunK;53157320]If this is the mindset everyone had about right wing lunatics we'd get nothing done. We know by now that the SOP for right wing groups is to try and make any attempts to prove them wrong into a "they're bullying us!!!" scenario. Fuck that noise. Don't let them control the narrative and push on. If people are willing to throw money at them for that they're either already lost causes too indoctrinated to break free from that shitshow or just uneducated about what's actually going on.[/QUOTE] Or, we could work with those people to take away the reason they donate to the NRA. But that means compromise, which people don't like. [editline]24th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53157352]It's always Lose-Lose with Silence. His mission seems to be convincing people that it's best to just sit back and let the increasingly radicalized right wing do its thing, because literally any response whatsoever is just "fuel for the fire."[/QUOTE] No, I just think that working together will get us farther than each side trying to drag the other by the neck.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;53156845][video=youtube;PrnIVVWtAag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag[/video] I never thought much about NRA until I saw this ad. Talk about terror organization vibes.[/QUOTE] I sent this to my dad some time ago, and somehow he didn't see anything wrong with this. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering that he reads Daily Wire and World Daily Net, both of which are extreme right.

Destroy all non-hunting guns Change "arms" to "fists" in the 2nd amendment Expand public security efforts

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53157349]You act as if public pressure means absolutely anything, as if the NRA is a company. Gun owners are already demonized. NRA members are already demonized. You can't "dissent" any more than that. The NRA and their members are basically the only people who like the NRA. The NRA DOESN'T HAVE to hear the public because it is funded by enough people already who agree with what it's saying. The only way to kill them is to cut off the reason people listen to them in the first place, therefore their funds. But that won't happen because people just LOOOOOVVVEEE gun control and trying to ban things they are scared of.[/QUOTE] The NRA acts like a company and the public pressure is presently [I]demonstrably doing things[/I]. You can absolutely dissent more than that - and people have not yet. The NRA executives are demonized; not everyone who is a member is demonized by association. I lived in Texas so I feel I have a good grip on the differences between country and city here and, believe me, the country is far away from 'demonizing' those who're in the NRA -- and I've known plenty of people who say that they're a part of the NRA just because the 'gun lobby' needs them to be in order to fire guns and hate the magazines that just keep piling up on their desks because they don't care about them. Those're the sort of people who'll distance themselves -- and they're the majority, not the fanatical few as you imply who can't be moved. If the NRA doesn't have to hear the public, by the way, [I]why are they asking for an increase in donations?[/I] Do you think their coffers are endless - that the money comes from nowhere? If public support drops and companies drop their support, their coffers are damaged by it. If they're being funded by Russia then that will only entangle them further with people feeling they're not even a 'patriotic' or 'american' interest. There's many ways to skin this animal - despite your insistence there is only one. [quote]No, I just think that working together will get us farther than each side trying to drag the other by the neck.[/quote] This implies 'each side' is interested in working with the other. We say 'we're not trying to abolish the second amendment' while the 'other side' says "They will and they're liars". One is acting in good faith and a willingness to compromise. The other is spreading lies and refuses to hear the other's argument. [quote]But that means compromise, which people don't like.[/quote] You can only ever compromise with the willing. It isn't a matter of 'how much we like it' because that would require people to be willing to compromise on both sides to begin with. If every person on one side wanted to compromise it would hold no bearing over those on the other who refuse. One of these sides wants to work with the other to solve a public security and health crisis. The other wants to ignore them and shut down anything they propose.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;53156845][video=youtube;PrnIVVWtAag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag[/video] I never thought much about NRA until I saw this ad. Talk about terror organization vibes.[/QUOTE] Yeah that is a good way to convince everyone that their organization condones murder and will support armed rebellion against progressives If I were in Congress, I’d start pushing to classify the NRA as a terror organization ASAP

And high-school students are to thank for a feat establishment dems and pro-gun control groups hadn't managed in decades of school shootings. They know what works and what doesn't in the digital age, I guess. Contrast with the conservative starbucks 'boycotts' and the like. Direct action gets satisfaction!

My dad signed me up for the NRA as a Christmas gift :nope:

[QUoTE=Silence I Kill You;53157356] No, I just think that working together will get us farther than each side trying to drag the other by the neck.[/QUOTE] How can I work with an organisation that believes I'm an ignorant sheep at best and a traitor at worst.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53157294]What an excellent way to help them ramp up their cash reserves and drive donations. Nothing says "We need your help now more than ever!" like giving them the ability to paint themselves as "victims of people who want to take your gun rights away". We're just giving them something to use as the canary in the coal mine.[/QUOTE] So organizations who are fundamentally opposed to the NRA and what they stand for should just grit their teeth and maintain business relationships with a group that they oppose because.. Not doing so might convince people to donate to them? Somehow I feel like you wouldn't apply this "logic" if it were right-wing organizations cutting ties with radical left-wingers like Antifa or something.. Almost as if you have an obvious agenda, hmm..