GM plans to release cars with no steering wheel next year - Sensationalist Headlines

[media]https://youtu.be/MvP82IsGqNc[/media] [url]https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/12/gm-fully-autonomous-car-no-wheel-2018/[/url] [quote]If the Department of Transportation grants GM's latest Safety Petition, the automaker will be able to deploy its no-steering-wheel, pedal-less autonomous car next year. GM has not only revealed what its level 4 self-driving vehicle will look like -- in a video you can watch after the break -- but also announced that it filed a Safety Petition to be able to deploy its completely driverless version of Chevy Bolt called Cruise AV in 2019. The company describes it as "the first production-ready vehicle built from the start to operate safely on its own, with no driver, steering wheel, pedals or manual controls."[/quote] Jesus christ didn't even know GM was that far along with R&D??

Not having manual controls just seems inconvenient. How do they handle large driveways or specific parking?

Honestly I'd prefer to see these on the road than actual human beings, I'd feel a lot safer.

Holding on to my thin hope that Ill never need a driver's licence :v:

Honestly this would be the ultimate solution but has autonomous driving really reached the point where completely driverless transport is practical? Currently I can only see these being useful for getting to and from pre-determined points in a limited area.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53046594]Not having manual controls just seems inconvenient. How do they handle large driveways or specific parking?[/QUOTE] What if someone hacks the car? :v: Thinking about it, I would love to mod a car to steer it with an Xbox One Controler

Driving is stressful enough as is, so sign me up!

I would never enter a car without a steering wheel if not ALL other cars also don't have steering wheels. There is too many random factors when other humans are driving that makes it way too dangerous for a robot to control 100% of the trip. Most of the big jumbo planes fly themselves 99% of the trip and some can also takeoff and land on their own but they still have a yoke on board.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;53046609]Honestly this would be the ultimate solution but has autonomous driving really reached the point where completely driverless transport is practical? Currently I can only see these being useful for getting to and from pre-determined points in a limited area.[/QUOTE] I could see this being used in places as a form of public transport, like in airport terminals for example. If done well, it would save on congestion.

I'm pretty sure that won't be allowed in many (European) countries, like here in Germany.

[QUOTE=bilbasio;53046624]I would never enter a car without a steering wheel if not ALL other cars also don't have steering wheels. There is too many random factors when other humans are driving that makes it way too dangerous for a robot to control 100% of the trip. Most of the big jumbo planes fly themselves 99% of the trip and some can also takeoff and land on their own but they still have a yoke on board.[/QUOTE] I dunno, a computer with full 360 vision and sensors that has a reaction time the tenths of milliseconds seems better than human

Well I guess I don't need a license anymore, that's pretty cool.

Call em out for jumping the gun but you gotta give them credit for putting pressure on the progress for autonomous cars. [editline]12th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53046509]Jesus christ didn't even know GM was that far along with R&D??[/QUOTE] Most of their recent cars ship with the technology already installed. They have lane drift correction which forces the car back into the lane if you start to drift. Ironically doesn't work too well in Michigan, where most of their road's lane markers have faded.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with taking this much control away from the driver. Not saying that I don't trust the technology, well, I don't fully yet, but I still don't like the idea of a car telling me how fast i can get to my destination. At least in a taxi you can tell the driver to get your there faster if they're going slow.

No manual controls? Must be good at driving on it's own if it doesn't have any manual controls,especially outside of cities.

GM? I'd rather take off the steering wheel off my standard car and take my chances with that

[quote] what its level 4 self-driving vehicle [/quote] According to wiki, a level 4 self-driving vehicle is: [quote] Level 4 (”mind off”): As level 3, but no driver attention is ever required for safety, i.e. the driver may safely go to sleep or leave the driver's seat. [U]Self driving is supported only in limited areas (geofenced) or under special circumstances, like traffic jams.[/U] Outside of these areas or circumstances, the vehicle must be able to safely abort the trip, i.e. park the car, if the driver does not retake control. [/quote] It would be great for car-sharing purposes and public transport as mentioned before, but I doubt it will be available for the general public. I mean, can it even go through a drive-through or car-wash autonomous? I don't think that this technology has advanced enough to detect a McDonalds employee leaning out a window holding your Happy Meal.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;53046609]Honestly this would be the ultimate solution but has autonomous driving really reached the point where completely driverless transport is practical? Currently I can only see these being useful for getting to and from pre-determined points in a limited area.[/QUOTE] ye , id expect it in public transport before commercial cars

They test self driving cars from Google, Uber, and GM in my area and GM has always seemed like the most behind, so consider me shocked. Seems dangerous to not have some form of manual control. Why not something hidden and extendable like the Audi in iRobot?

I'd prefer it to have the ability to have manual override to control if needed for emergency or misc situations where the auto-pilot isn't going to work anymore. Such as getting the car unstuck from snow, awkward driveways/garages, non-mapped or new roads, etc. But, it's still pretty cool none the less. Also going to be weird how they handle driving into mechanic shops, since they gotta run it onto the lifts, probably going to be limited to only being able to use the dealer's shops, which is scummy af too. This really holds major application in semi-closed loop transport applications like automated taxis that serve a specific area. Can't wait for the taxi unions to throw a huge bitch fit about this killing their jobs too.

I think this is more of a "Hey look at us our self-driving cars are so good they don't even need a steering wheel!" show-off car. I don't think it makes much sense to not include a steering wheel is a self-driving car meant to sell to the average person, I mean the cost of including one is probably relatively low and not having a steering wheel has huge consequences when it comes to AI failures, accidents, regulation etc. Ie. it is more about the statement the car makes and not the actual utility of it.

[QUOTE=spazthemax;53046605]Holding on to my thin hope that Ill never need a driver's licence [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=IceWarrior98;53046677]Well I guess I don't need a license anymore, that's pretty cool.[/QUOTE] Is a driving license really that out of reach for you guys? How much does it cost where you live? Or is it just because you despise the act of driving a car?

This is probably for on-campus transportation where there can be scheduled and pre-programmed routes/behaviors. What immediately comes to mind is universities, factories, anything that sprawls over very large/multiple lots.

I don't understand why they can't just add controls for safety and practicality. I can see the manufacturer saying things like. "Who needs a steering wheel when you can now steer your car from our convenient smartphone app!" :worried: Some things like the wheel don't need to be reinvented. I really don't see one positive about removing the steering wheel.

[QUOTE=bigdandyd;53046962]I don't understand why they can't just add controls for safety and practicality. I can see the manufacturer saying things like. "Who needs a steering wheel when you can now steer your car from our convenient app!" :worried: Some things like the wheel don't need to be reinvented. I really don't see one positive about removing the steering wheel.[/QUOTE] I thought the people doing the futurism in I, robot had it right with the "emergency analog manual driving mode". [video=youtube;Wqfs9yJALyc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqfs9yJALyc[/video]

This is great, all the shitty drivers can get around in their autonomous vehicles while the rest of us enthusiasts can get around better in smoother traffic. It's a win-win I wonder how these handle congested parking lots or parking lots where the paint has worn off

Imagine: You wake up groggy, you put on pants, grab a bowl of cereal, and go to your car where you eat your breakfast while you go to work.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;53046609]Honestly this would be the ultimate solution but has autonomous driving really reached the point where completely driverless transport is practical? Currently I can only see these being useful for getting to and from pre-determined points in a limited area.[/QUOTE] So the most advanced stuff we've seen is at Level 4 autonomy, which means that they can be completely autonomous in the vast majority of situations and conditions. Waymo actually has Level 4 cars on the road with no driver right now in Arizona. However, certain situations can still be hard for Level 4, like on Icy or flooded roads. If they could handle those conditions, they'd be considered to be at Level 5 autonomy. It really surprises me they're getting rid of the steering wheel. I'd have thought manufacturers would have kept them in for a long while in case of emergencies and to boost customer confidence.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;53047097]Imagine: You wake up groggy, you put on pants, grab a bowl of cereal, and go to your car where you eat your breakfast while you go to work.[/QUOTE] When you get to work you get out and rub the hood of your car and say "good car" before going in.

[QUOTE=jonu67;53046595]Honestly I'd prefer to see these on the road than actual human beings, I'd feel a lot safer.[/QUOTE] Until a man with a trenchcoat, a hat and a very powerful phone comes in.