1,000 children may have been victims in Britain's biggest ever child abuse scandal - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Up to 1,000 children could have been abused in Britain's biggest ever child abuse scandal, an investigation has revealed. Hundreds of children, some as young as 11, are estimated to have been drugged, beaten and raped over a 40-year period in the town of Telford. Lucy Allan, the Conservative MP for Telford, has called for an inquiry into child sexual exploitation, saying the latest reports were "extremely serious and shocking". She has previously called for a "Rotherham-style inquiry" into the allegations. "There must now be an independent inquiry into child sexual exploitation in Telford so that our community can have absolute confidence in the authorities," she told the Sunday Mirror. The investigation claims that allegations dating back to the 1980s were mishandled by authorities in Telford, who repeatedly failed to punish a network of abusers. Victims claimed that similar abuse, which has been linked to three murders and two other deaths, has continued in the area. The newspaper's probe alleges that social workers were aware of the abuse in the 1990s, but that it took police a decade to launch Operation Chalice, an inquiry into child prostitution in the Telford area in which seven men were jailed. It is also claimed that abused and trafficked children were considered "prostitutes" by council staff, that authorities did not keep details of abusers from Asian communities for fear of being accused of "racism" and that police failed to investigate one recent case five times until an MP intervened. A spokesperson for Telford and Wrekin Council told the Sunday Mirror: "Child sexual exploitation (CSE) is a vile, evil crime. It's an issue right across the UK and has been for a long time.[/quote] [url]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/11/1000-children-may-have-victims-britains-biggest-ever-child-abuse/[/url]

Damn. At least it's coming to light.

[QUOTE]It is also claimed that abused and trafficked children were considered "prostitutes" by council staff, [B]that authorities did not keep details of abusers from Asian communities for fear of being accused of "racism"[/B] and that police failed to investigate one recent case five times until an MP intervened. [/QUOTE] Where have I seen that before :thinking:

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;53194270]Where have I seen that before :thinking:[/QUOTE] Makes you wonder if they were involved and covering it up on purpose.

Wasn't there JUST a massive pedo ring busted in Britain?

[quote] Council staff viewed abused and trafficked children as “prostitutes” instead of victims, according to previously unseen files [/quote] Somehow I doubt the right wing will take notice about this and just focus on the Asian bit and try to act like the only factor was fear of "racism" and not the fact that there's still plenty of people with disgusting views on women in modern society.

[QUOTE=phygon;53194339]Wasn't there JUST a massive pedo ring busted in Britain?[/QUOTE] If you are thinking of Rotherham, that was 5 or 6 years ago. Unless there is a more recent one I hadn't heard about myself.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53194345]Somehow I doubt the right wing will take notice about this and just focus on the Asian bit and try to act like the only factor was fear of "racism" and not the fact that there's still plenty of people with disgusting views on women in modern society.[/QUOTE] a lot of those disgusting views on women come from certain religious texts, religious texts followed by certain asian communities

Why the fuck do so many pedophiles exist.

[QUOTE=Vana;53194414]a lot of those disgusting views on women come from certain religious texts, religious texts followed by certain asian communities[/QUOTE] Sometimes? Sure. But those people don't make up the majority of society, do they? The e views also come from people who try to make feminism a dirty word and shit on any movement trying to help women. The police in the UK have been notorious in the past for neglecting the working class, most of the victims happened to be poor so naturally, no one gave a fuck about them. But I'm sure a scandal spanning literal decades and pre dated the notion of "PC CULTURE" was never stopped because of fears of being called racist. I'm sure police officers who would laugh at raped little girls and call them slags who brought it on themselves are so scared of liberals. Of course, every single person involved cared about being labeled xenophobic for merely stating the criminals were Pakistani. It's got nothing to do with the horrendous social services in this country. Of course it's got nothing to do with how victims with no real wealthy guardians are pretty much powerless. It's got nothing to do with sickening members of the police force with terrible views on women and children. It's certainly got nothing to do with this country's history of leniency towards rapists like Worboys, Saville, the Catholic Church and various others. The only factor at play is PC culture. The only people to blame are liberals and browns and anything else is simply not worth dicussing.

[QUOTE=Vana;53194414]a lot of those disgusting views on women come from certain religious texts, religious texts followed by certain asian communities[/QUOTE] I don't see why you are beating around the bush instead of just saying "the Koran" and "Muslims". That the Koran contains regressive attitudes towards women and is also the holy book of practicing Muslims isn't a particularly controversial opinion on FP. I also don't think it excuses secular misogyny either. [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] And unless the council staff is made up of Muslims then I'd say it's completely irrelevant.

Oh shit I don't live far from there

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53194441]I don't see why you are beating around the bush instead of just saying "the Koran" and "Muslims". That the Koran contains regressive attitudes towards women and is also the holy book of practicing Muslims isn't a particularly controversial opinion on FP. I also don't think it excuses secular misogyny either. [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] And unless the council staff is made up of Muslims then I'd say it's completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE] It's not just the Koran with regressive views towards women though. Sri Lanka for example is a primarily Buddhist country and they still practice having to pay a dowry and shit. Buddhism also has a lot of very sexist texts, and here in 2018(and historically) we have Buddhists even committing genocide. Asia in general has a massive sexism problem that has existed for hundreds of years, and it isn't just Islam that is keeping that alive. Shit even Ghandi was a known sexist, people in the West just love to romanticise shit like Buddhism, Hinduism, etc because it's exotic and "spiritual". The reality of it is, a vast majority of religious are a sexist construct at their core, among other things, the only deciding factor for how much that matters is how strictly traditionalist/fundamentalist the society that practices the religion is, and how much power that religious institution has. The problem isn't really the religion, it's extreme fundamentalists and traditionalists and the power they hold over everyone else.

[QUOTE]It is also claimed that abused and trafficked children were considered "prostitutes" by council staff, [B]that authorities did not keep details of abusers from Asian communities for fear of being accused of "racism"[/B] and that police failed to investigate one recent case five times until an MP intervened.[/QUOTE] Rape is rape. Whoever done it,why was it done,where was it done,it doesn't matter,rape is rape. If you're honestly afraid of being accused of racism for revealing who fucking raped somebody,you should not be an authority.

This scandal basically picked up a child abuse case that came to light in 2009 (children, usually from shitty homes, were being lured to prostitution by pakistani pimps posing as boyfriends at first), the perpetrators of which were prosecuted in 2013 and faced quite long sentences. Obviously the clients can be night impossible to identify by the victims. I hope this leads to an actual inquiry into the possible mishandling of the case and not just a scandal for the sake of it.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53194439]Sometimes? Sure. But those people don't make up the majority of society, do they? The e views also come from people who try to make feminism a dirty word and shit on any movement trying to help women. The police in the UK have been notorious in the past for neglecting the working class, most of the victims happened to be poor so naturally, no one gave a fuck about them. But I'm sure a scandal spanning literal decades and pre dated the notion of "PC CULTURE" was never stopped because of fears of being called racist. I'm sure police officers who would laugh at raped little girls and call them slags who brought it on themselves are so scared of liberals. Of course, every single person involved cared about being labeled xenophobic for merely stating the criminals were Pakistani. It's got nothing to do with the horrendous social services in this country. Of course it's got nothing to do with how victims with no real wealthy guardians are pretty much powerless. It's got nothing to do with sickening members of the police force with terrible views on women and children. It's certainly got nothing to do with this country's history of leniency towards rapists like Worboys, Saville, the Catholic Church and various others. The only factor at play is PC culture. The only people to blame are liberals and browns and anything else is simply not worth dicussing.[/QUOTE] Do you have any source to back up that this is related to class at all? So far there's only been evidence that this issue wasn't dealt with because of political correctness. Don't you think that it's more likely that victimising poor people is easier, because they have less resources to draw from (in general), rather than some conspirational war being waged against the poor by the investigative police force? Also, I think you do yourself a disservice, by making it seem as if this outrage is somehow a racist attack against "brown" people. It makes you come off as childish. The discussion here isn't about the colour of their skin, but the sense of morality, that they carry with themselves from their home country, which is radically different from western society. Pakistan has an abhorrent child abuse epidemic, so it really should come as no surprise, that when people migrate from there, those issues follow with. I don't know what the pre-emptive solution is (or if there even is one), but I am certain that having a police force that's too scared of being labelled as racists to step in and stop this, is possibly among the absolutely worst scenarios imaginable.

there has not been evidence of any sort so far to be honest. the new (10 times as high) figure of victims is a calculated estimate, the claim about fear of being blamed as racists is sourced from a tabloid. edit: there is no way this sort of practice wouldn't leak. even if police officers or social workers were under threat of losing their jobs that threat would be mitigated by the public and political outrage which would essentially instantly topple their superiors if something like that came to light from a credible source (such as a police officer and not an anonymous claim in a sunday paper).

[QUOTE=Taishu;53194751]Do you have any source to back up that this is related to class at all? So far there's only been evidence that this issue wasn't dealt with because of political correctness. Don't you think that it's more likely that victimising poor people is easier, because they have less resources to draw from (in general), rather than some conspirational war being waged against the poor by the investigative police force? [/QUOTE] You only have to look at the case of Baby P to see how incompetent and neglectful the police and social services is when it comes to vulnerable children. A baby boy was beaten and neglected for ages and the social services did fuck all to help him, he was later found dead despite red flags that he was being horribly treated. This was in 2008, long after this scandal started. The services available to the poor here are horribly run and underfunded by the government constantly, including the police. I'm going to take a guess and say you don't think the police and social services were scared of being labeled racist against white working class though. If you want me to provide a source that outright says there is a war against the poor than I'm afriad I can't provide one but I'm sure you can agree that if it's not a war against the poor it's certainly massive indifference at their suffering. [quote] Also, I think you do yourself a disservice, by making it seem as if this outrage is somehow a racist attack against "brown" people. It makes you come off as childish. The discussion here isn't about the colour of their skin, but the sense of morality, that they carry with themselves from their home country, which is radically different from western society. Pakistan has an abhorrent child abuse epidemic, so it really should come as no surprise, that when people migrate from there, those issues follow with. [/quote] You should see some sub reddits like The_donald and other places they are invading. Not usual to see calls to throw out all Pakistanis regardless of their religion or how much they have integrated. It's 100% being used to attack brown people by certain groups.

I don't know why anyone is suprised, this is a recurring event, where eventually, these grooming\rape gangs are uncovered and the perpertrators are of the muslim faith, typically of pakistani origin. There is actually a wikipedia article on this here: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sex_abuse_ring[/url] [QUOTE]The Telford child sex abuse ring consisted of a group of men who were grooming local children for sex between 2007 and 2009 in Telford in the English county of Shropshire. Up to 100 girls are believed to have been affected[1] and [B]around 200 perpetrators[/B] were suspected.[2] According to the Home Office, as of 2015 Telford had the highest rate in the UK of sex crimes against children.[3][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In a series of trials stretching over two years and concluding in May 2013,[4] seven men, mainly British Pakistanis, were convicted of sexual offences against four girls aged 13 to 16. The offences included rape, controlling child prostitution, causing child prostitution, and trafficking for the purpose of prostitution.[5][1][/QUOTE] Names of the convicted (so far) are listed, but all seem to have very light sentences and the 200 suspected perpertrators are still out there, sitting outside a jail cell. This problem isn't going to go away, it's an issue specifically with the pakistani and muslim communities that is recurring up and down the country and PC culture of police, social workers and those in power, who are NOT linking these people by ethnicity\religion are ALLOWING this to happen. [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Falchion;53194715]This scandal basically picked up a child abuse case that came to light in 2009 (children, usually from shitty homes, were being lured to prostitution by pakistani pimps posing as boyfriends at first), the perpetrators of which were prosecuted in 2013 and faced quite long sentences. Obviously the clients can be night impossible to identify by the victims. I hope this leads to an actual inquiry into the possible mishandling of the case and not just a scandal for the sake of it.[/QUOTE] Only 7 people were convicted, longest sentenced was 14 years, 2nd longest was 7 years, the rest got 2 years or so, for helping others rape children. These are incredibly light sentences. There is no redemption for a child rapist. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Novangel))[/highlight]

Where are you getting those sentence lengths? [quote] The leading players in the abuse were brothers, Ahdel and Mubarek Ali, of Regent Street, Wellington, who received long jail sentences after an eight-week trial. Ahdel Ali, 25, known as Eddie, was given a 26-year extended sentence – 18 years' immediate custody with an additional eight-year period on licence after release. His 29-year-old brother, Mubarek Ali, known as Max, was given 22 years, 14 years' immediate custody and eight years on licence, for seven offences – four of controlling child prostitution, causing child prostitution and two offences of trafficking in the UK for the purpose of prostitution, involving two of the victims. Both men were made the subject of lifelong Sexual Offences Prevention Orders. Read more at [url]https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/10/horror-of-telford-girls-sex-abuse-ordeal/#T1DBhthYYElLeprV.99[/url][/quote] We can obv argue if that was enough (id support life sentences) Also I read the wiki page and the sources come right back to these new or older tabloid articles (the page is surprisingly up to date). Can you give me evidence or at least official statements on the racism fear claims? Edit: as for the perpetrator count, its probably hard to catch clients who are relatively uninvolved in the operation in itself.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;53194419]Why the fuck do so many pedophiles exist.[/QUOTE] Vestigial evolutionary thing I suspect. Humans didn't have the lifespan we have nowadays back in say... Caveman times. Heck, even in the past 100 years human lifespans weren't nearly what they are now.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;53194270]Where have I seen that before :thinking:[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but I'm having a really massive brain fart right now. They did not keep details of abusers from Asian communities... So if they didn't keep the details from them they told them? And they told them for fear of being racist? What am I missing here? [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] Nevermind I think it just clicked. It's "They were not keeping details of abusers (who are) from Asian communities," as in they weren't documenting abusers who were from Asian communities, instead of "They were not keeping details of abusers (away) from Asian communities," as in they weren't supposed to tell Asian communities about abusers but did so anyway. I'm dumb please ignore.

[QUOTE=ZCaliber;53195093]Vestigial evolutionary thing I suspect. Humans didn't have the lifespan we have nowadays back in say... Caveman times. Heck, even in the past 100 years human lifespans weren't nearly what they are now.[/QUOTE] Trying to find evolutionary explanations for human behaviours are often specious at best and muddy more than they clarify. Predators predate on children because children are significantly more exploitable and vulnerable than adults are.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;53194419]Why the fuck do so many pedophiles exist.[/QUOTE] What's weird is that we mostly think of Western pedophiles as men preying upon younger boys. Homosexual pedophilia (Catholic priests, sports coaches, etc) is far more widely discussed than heterosexual pedophilia. It seems like it's a cultural thing, though, and Middle Eastern culture results in more heterosexual pedophiles (at least here, there's a whole thing in Afghanistan about normalized pedophilia that would make NAMBLA jealous).

[QUOTE=Blanketspace;53195412]What's weird is that we mostly think of Western pedophiles as men preying upon younger boys. Homosexual pedophilia (Catholic priests, sports coaches, etc) is far more widely discussed than heterosexual pedophilia. It seems like it's a cultural thing, though, and Middle Eastern culture results in more heterosexual pedophiles (at least here, there's a whole thing in Afghanistan about normalized pedophilia that would make NAMBLA jealous).[/QUOTE] A lot of people thought homosexuality and pedophilia were practically interchangeable in the mid-20th century (at least with men), and while it's extremely politically incorrect nowadays there are still people that would like you to believe that.

Fucking hell its Rotherham all over again.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53194802]You only have to look at the case of Baby P to see how incompetent and neglectful the police and social services is when it comes to vulnerable children. A baby boy was beaten and neglected for ages and the social services did fuck all to help him, he was later found dead despite red flags that he was being horribly treated. This was in 2008, long after this scandal started. The services available to the poor here are horribly run and underfunded by the government constantly, including the police. I'm going to take a guess and say you don't think the police and social services were scared of being labeled racist against white working class though. If you want me to provide a source that outright says there is a war against the poor than I'm afriad I can't provide one but I'm sure you can agree that if it's not a war against the poor it's certainly massive indifference at their suffering. You should see some sub reddits like The_donald and other places they are invading. Not usual to see calls to throw out all Pakistanis regardless of their religion or how much they have integrated. It's 100% being used to attack brown people by certain groups.[/QUOTE] I don’t know of that case about baby p, and I’m certain that there’s a difference in the quality and priority in public services depending on your social status, even in the UK, however in these specific examples of rampant Pakistani rape gangs, the police were not interfering because of fear of being labelled racists. And I’m going to need some actual proof if you still want to argue otherwise, as in that it’s a class issue. And yes, people who like to inject identity politics (like t_d or any other alt_right community) will naturally do so, but I don’t think that’s the case here, and I seriously doubt that the person you were replying to in the first case, had a racist intention in his/her post. I consider myself to be on the left on most issues, and for the life of me, I can’t fathom why we aren’t allowed to criticise one of the most prevailing regressive ideologies around, without it suddenly being a racial issue.

[QUOTE=Taishu;53195653] I consider myself to be on the left on most issues, and for the life of me, I can’t fathom why we aren’t allowed to criticise one of the most prevailing regressive ideologies around, without it suddenly being a racial issue.[/QUOTE] Well that's because it's politically incorrect! If we appease the Arabic population then we get to keep selling Arab nations weapons for oil at a discount rate /s More needs to be done about this, the police being scared of getting called out as racists is stupid beyond measure. A crime is a crime, end of imo

Ah, Telford, my wonderful hometown. The fact that this is based around there really doesn't surprise me.