Plane crashes into Lidl supermarket loading bay in Cascais, Portugal, Five dead - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3347809/plane-crashes-into-lidl-supermarket-after-exploding-in-mid-air/[/url] [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/792841/BREAKING-NEWS-Plane-crashes-in-car-park-in-Portugal[/url] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4418196/Plane-crashes-Lidl-supermarket-Portugal.html[/url] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-crash-idUSKBN17J0XW?il=0[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39621095[/url] [quote=Daily Mail]Five people have died after a Swiss-registered light aircraft crashed into a Lidl supermarket in Portugal, investigators have confirmed. Photos and footage taken by onlookers showed huge plumes of black smoke rising into the air from the scene of the disaster in the Lisbon suburb of Tires. The deceased include the Swiss pilot, three French passengers on the plane and a Portuguese truck driver, emergency services operational commander Miguel Cruz has said. The plane had just taken off from the Cascais Municipal Aerodome en route to Marseilles, France, when it 'exploded in mid-air' and plunged to the ground, according to witnesses. The light aircraft is said to have crashed into a lorry which was unloading in the Lidl supermarket car park, setting several other vehicles on fire. The truck driver was offloading his cargo at the supermarket's rear cargo bay, around 2km from the runway, when his vehicle was set alight. 'Everything started shaking like an earthquake and people began to scream and run in all directions,' said a woman named Alexandra, who was shopping inside the Lidl at the time of the crash. The Cascais Aerodrome, where the plane took off, has since said in a statement: 'Cascais Aerodrome can confirm that at 11.05am local time, the flight of private operator Symbios Orthopedic, a P-31 light aircraft that had taken off from Cascais Aerodrome bound for Marseilles with three passengers and one crew member on board, suffered an accident outside of the aerodrome airspace. 'The aerodrome immediately activated its emergency plans and in this way activated an internal and external response to this accident.' The airfield has been closed while authorities investigate crash. The current death toll of five is expected to be the final one, although it is understood four people on the ground suffered minor injuries. The injured were shopping inside the supermarket, which is located in a residential neighborhood, and were treated for shock and smoke inhalation. A spokesman for Portugal's Office of Prevention and Investigation of Aeronautical Accidents earlier confirmed 'four dead' - 'the pilot and his three passengers'. The spot where the plane crashed, setting at least one house on fire, is just 150m from a local school. The owner of a house which caught ablaze in the crash was able to run out of her property with her baby in her arms, a witness told Portuguese TV. [/quote] [t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/17/15/3F527CB100000578-0-image-a-89_1492439218130.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/17/14/3F523B8A00000578-4418196-image-a-79_1492435603328.jpg[/t] Plane that crashed is this one: [t]http://cdn.cmjornal.pt/images/2017-04/img_757x498$2017_04_17_13_49_07_619032.jpg[/t] More videos and images in the sources, though none of the actual moment of impact or even the aircraft coming down, just the aftermath. Five people dead; the 4 occupants of the aircraft and the truck driver that was unloading the truck. Involved in the accident are one Swiss pilot, a French pilot (some sources seem to claim the Swiss pilot was the only pilot but I cannot confirm this), two French passengers and the Portuguese truck driver. Aerodrome has since then opened again. This aerodrome is home to many flight schools including mine, so initially I feared it may have been an instruction flight crashing. That turned out not to be the case. Honestly it could've been a lot worse, LIDL was packed, it would have been disasterous if it had crashed directly on the building and not the loading bay.

My condolences to any family and friends who lost their loved ones due to this, such a horrible way to go. Thank god the plane didn't crash into that LIDL, the death toll would have been much bigger if that was the case.

Jesus christ, that's absolutely horrible. Any idea what the cause might be?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52116234]Jesus christ, that's absolutely horrible. Any idea what the cause might be?[/QUOTE] Most likely engine failure while still climbing after takeoff. Pretty lethal on a small twin-engined aircraft, usually results in a crash.

The fact that only one person on the ground died is a fucking miracle, considering it's a supermarket we're talking about here.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;52116282]Most likely engine failure while still climbing after takeoff. Pretty lethal on a small twin-engined aircraft, usually results in a crash.[/QUOTE] also the most likely time for an engine failure since takeoff and climbout are the only times in a normal flight where the engines are pushed to within an inch of their lives

Unless there was a major fuck up I doubt both engines would have failed simultaneously. If this was the Navajo then I might agree since that thing can barely climb on single but the Cheyenne is turboprop and has decent OEI climb performance. Looking at where the supermarket is relative to the airfield the plane would have probably reached its screen height long before, should a single engine fail you would still be able to control the aircraft and climb safely. Another thing is if both engines failed it won't drop immediately like a rock, you trim for Vmd and start choosing for a place to glide down and crash safely. There are lots of suitable places around the airport on Google Maps. I'm guessing something happened (explosion mentioned?) and it completely took out the link between the stick and control surfaces. I've personally yet to hear about a fatal crash caused by the failure of the PT6 engine.

Word is that the right engine exploded. Witnesses claim the aircraft was spinning as it fell.

This looks a lot like what happened in Melbourne only a few months back.

Man, I got my cabin crew training certificate at this aerodrome. I feel especially sorry for the truck driver, talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[QUOTE=adam1172;52117641]Unless there was a major fuck up I doubt both engines would have failed simultaneously. If this was the Navajo then I might agree since that thing can barely climb on single but the Cheyenne is turboprop and has decent OEI climb performance. Looking at where the supermarket is relative to the airfield the plane would have probably reached its screen height long before, should a single engine fail you would still be able to control the aircraft and climb safely. Another thing is if both engines failed it won't drop immediately like a rock, you trim for Vmd and start choosing for a place to glide down and crash safely. There are lots of suitable places around the airport on Google Maps. I'm guessing something happened (explosion mentioned?) and it completely took out the link between the stick and control surfaces. I've personally yet to hear about a fatal crash caused by the failure of the PT6 engine.[/QUOTE] One engine failing on take-off is a lot more likely to kill you than both, without perfect corrective action by the pilot the asymmetric forces turn what would be a survivable crash-landing into an uncontrollable spin at low altitude. A lot of people have died in light twins from losing one engine on take-off.

didnt know there was LIDL in portugal

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;52119016]One engine failing on take-off is a lot more likely to kill you than both, without perfect corrective action by the pilot the asymmetric forces turn what would be a survivable crash-landing into an uncontrollable spin at low altitude. A lot of people have died in light twins from losing one engine on take-off.[/QUOTE] Which is why I mentioned the screen height. It should have been way above the Vmca/Vyse and be controllable should one engine go inoperative at that height. You should never ever ever leave the runway below that speed. And even if somehow it did fail below Vmc the correct action is to retard and in worst case cut the throttle and glide to safety. If this somehow turns to be the case then the cause would be pilot error due to not being able to identify the failure of an engine. Harsh but that's exactly how the aviation industry should be. This guy is flying a twin in normal operations, he's sure have done asymmetric touch and go's and flight during training.