Tesla completes world’s largest li-ion battery system in Australia - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]Tesla CEO Elon Musk made a promise that they would deploy a giant 100 MWh battery project in South Australia in 100 days or it’s free. That promise actually involved with the project, but it is now completed on time, according to local officials and Tesla. Tesla and Neoen, the wind power company operating the wind farm at the project, gave themselves 100 days to complete the project after having signed the interconnection agreement with Electranet, which was approved by the utility authority at the end of September. The deadline was December 1, but local news is now reporting that the installation is completed and that they are now testing the system before Electranet brings it online. ... What was first supposed to be a 100 MWh project, making it one of the biggest batteries in the world, turned into a 100 MW/ 129 MWh project, making it the most powerful battery system in the world by a significant margin. [/QUOTE] [url]https://electrek.co/2017/11/23/tesla-worlds-largest-li-ion-battery-system-in-australia/[/url]

Hot damn, a full week before schedule too.

Wonder if some of the ressources have been taken from Model 3 production

By 2030 Australia will be a super power just you wait and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Citrus705;52916596]By 2030 Australia will be a super power just you wait and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] The first super power to struggle buffering SD video.

Pity that's less than 2min of summertime electricity demand.

[QUOTE=download;52916618]Pity that's less than 2min of summertime electricity demand.[/QUOTE] its supposed to be there to balance loads not directly power the grid itself.

[QUOTE=helifreak;52916597]The first super power to struggle buffering SD video.[/QUOTE] So the United States then?

[QUOTE=Sableye;52916621]its supposed to be there to balance loads not directly power the grid itself.[/QUOTE] It has a peak output of 100MW, far smaller than most generators in the Adelaide region of the NEM. Lose one and battery won't make up the difference leading to (another) trip of the Heywood interconnector.

[QUOTE=download;52916652]It has a peak output of 100MW, far smaller than most generators in the Adelaide region of the NEM. Lose one and battery won't make up the difference leading to (another) trip of the Heywood interconnector.[/QUOTE] Shame the government and highly trained and experienced engineers wasted all that time and money on something which will obviously not work

[QUOTE=Badballer;52916658]Shame the government and highly trained and experienced engineers wasted all that time and money on something which will obviously not work[/QUOTE] I know you're trying to be sarcastic but it really is. This is a political move from the state government who has been in power for nearly two decades and whose actions forced upon us gigawatts and gigawatts of wind turbines that have lead to the highest electricity prices of a non-island first world nation, and Elon Musk who is quite happy to accept our dollars and publicity. You should not presume political moves are grounded in scientific or engineering reality. [b]Edit:[/b] Of course morgan boxes me without comment. I actually worked as an analyst for an energy company, in South Australia, looking to build a power station in South Australia. We researched this topic to Hell and back. Being smug and being top shit about how your batteries are going to allow us to go CO2 free while sitting behind a computer in your soggy little island isn't actually productive and isn't grounded in economic reality. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Cares about ratings" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=download;52916666] I actually worked as an analyst for an energy company, in South Australia, looking to build a power station in South Australia. We researched this topic to Hell and back.[/QUOTE] "My dad works at nintendo" You realise that to refute someone's point you have to show evidence to that effect and not just state you have it? On-topic: I'm feeling that they aren't going to just plug in all of the surrounding area to that battery and suck the thing dry. A battery can be used to compensate for shortfalls in energy production. It isn't a main source of power, just a temporary "net" to tide the grid over. This is a band-aid, hence the 100 day limit on the original plan. It isn't a permanent measure to fix the problem, just easing it until a better solution is found?

[QUOTE=download;52916666]I know you're trying to be sarcastic but it really is. This is a political move from the state government who has been in power for nearly two decades and whose actions forced upon us gigawatts and gigawatts of wind turbines that have lead to the highest electricity prices of a non-island first world nation, and Elon Musk who is quite happy to accept our dollars and publicity. You should not presume political moves are grounded in scientific or engineering reality. [b]Edit:[/b] Of course morgan boxes me without comment. I actually worked as an analyst for an energy company, in South Australia, looking to build a power station in South Australia. We researched this topic to Hell and back. Being smug and being top shit about how your batteries are going to allow us to go CO2 free while sitting behind a computer in your soggy little island isn't actually productive and isn't grounded in economic reality.[/QUOTE] Sorry mate, was at work and didn't have time to form a proper response. Not sure why you care about ratings though? What this battery does is it prevents big players collaborating to price gouge the South Australian consumers. That far outweighs its benefit as a backup solution IMO. [QUOTE]A series of reports from Australia’s Energy Regulator has illustrated how Australia’s big energy players have taken advantage of their market dominance to push up prices for critical grid services, and underline why South Australia was so keen to support the new Tesla big battery. The Tesla battery, due to be installed by December 1, has been derided by the federal government as too small to do much and about as useful as a Big Banana or Big Pineapple. But going by the AER reports, it could completely puncture the price gouging (which, we should point out, is perfectly legal according to the market rules) by major energy players that is costing consumers $60 million a year. The series of AER reports highlight how, on at least seven occasions over the last 10 months, the actions of the major players – AGL, Origin and Engie – managed to push prices of Frequency Control Ancillary Services FCAS) in South Australia up by nearly 100-fold, despite having more than enough capacity. ... As you can see, the big generators had more than enough capacity, but only made 34MW available on November 9 at a relatively cheap price. AEMO needed just 1MW more to meet its demands, but that single MW is priced high, and so sends the price for the whole service up dramatically. “As 1 MW of the 35 MW requirement for both lower and raise services was met by high-priced capacity, prices for both lower and raise regulation services were around $6500/MW for approximately fourteen and a half hours, exceeding $5000/MW for 175 dispatch intervals,” the AER said. “AGL’s Torrens Island set the price for all but one of the 175 dispatch intervals priced above $5000/MW in both raise and lower regulation services.” This is a constant pattern. It happens in the FCAS and the wholesale markets repeatedly, and it is lucrative. That bidding on November 9 earned the major players an extra $6.8 million in a single day. And the event on November 9 was not a one-off. The latest AER reports cover similar events on the following days, and Premier Jay Weatherill, in launching the Tesla big battery in July, said the total costs of such bidding patterns was around $50 million a year. ... This creation of scarcity is a common tactic in both FCAS and wholesale energy markets in Australia. It has been identified by network operators, smaller retailers, energy equipment suppliers, analysts, and governments, but is laughingly dismissed by ACCC boss Rod Sims as an example of “the market at work”. However, analysis shows it has added billions to the cost of wholesale generation and therefore consumer costs. And, with the exception of South Australia and Queensland, governments and regulators have done absolutely nothing to stop it, instead blaming renewable energy policies or the lack of a climate policy for high electricity prices. Queensland intervened a few months ago to stop the wholesale price manipulation by its state-owned generators, a result that has seen power prices fall by a third. South Australia does not own the generators in its state, so instead it has had to turn to other means, including commissioning its own emergency generator to ensure there is enough capacity in the event the big players try to create “scarcity” as they did in the February load shedding, and to deal with these FCAS rorts. The Tesla big battery will be contracted by South Australia to bid into the market for FCAS – and to provide other network services. It will cost South Australia about $50 million over 10 years, but on the basis of the AER reports it will get its money back very quickly. [/QUOTE] [url]http://reneweconomy.com.au/how-teslas-big-battery-can-smash-australias-energy-cartel-64548/[/url] The big blackout was also caused by voltage glitches from the transmission lines going up and down, stressing wind turbines ride through capabilities beyond their limits iirc. The batteries could potentially help compensate for that.

What download doesn't tell whenever he tells his story of "working in the business" is [quote]Mr Mountain made the prediction based on national and international energy market data, and papers published by the Council of European Energy Regulators and OECD. Power prices exceed value He said the price Australian customers, particularly South Australian customers, were currently paying for power exceeded the actual value of electricity as a resource. "I think it is surprising that [power prices] have continued to rise as they have and the latest increases are remarkable — the household price going up by around a fifth on top of the existing prices is extraordinary," he said. "This is a very well established service, it's been around for many years [and] it's very rare to see such large increases in retail electricity from one year to the next. "I don't believe it's matched by the aggregate cost in the supply chain.[/quote] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-28/sa-has-most-expensive-power-prices-in-the-world/8658434[/url] And of course not showing you long term predictions [quote]South Australians will have the cheapest power prices in the country in as little as six months, energy experts say. The state already has some of the lowest wholesale power prices as a result of increased gas generation. But those cheaper prices are not yet being reflected in household bills where rates are set periodically. Solar Council chief executive John Grimes says if bills don't drop then consumers have a right to demand answers from suppliers. "If it's not (cheaper) then the question is, why are the big power companies gouging the people," he told reporters in Adelaide on Thursday.[/quote] [url]http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/11/09/sa-should-expect-cheapest-power-prices[/url]