Carjackers kill man infront of family because they couldn't drive stick - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.khou.com/news/crime/hcso-carjacker-kills-father-in-front-of-family/421838912[/url] [url]http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2017/03/12/carjackers-kill-texasman-front-family-realizing-drive-stick-shift-deputies-say[/url] [url]http://jalopnik.com/carjacker-kills-man-in-front-of-family-because-his-car-1793199481[/url] [quote]HOUSTON - A father was shot and killed in front of his wife and child during an attempted car jacking late Saturday night in north Harris County, deputies said. According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, Pedro Aguilar, 47, along with his wife and 10-year-old daughter were returning home to their apartment located on Richcrest Drive at Greenbriar Park around 11 p.m. Aguilar was parking the car on the street, a sedan pulled up and two males held him at gunpoint while in the driver's seat. Deputies said the suspects told him to get out. His wife and child were already outside of the car because they were guiding him with parking. One of the suspects pistol whipped Aguilar because he was taking too much time, deputies said. [b]The two suspects then got into the car but were unable to drive it because it was a standard stick shift.[/b] Deputies said at that point one of the suspects shot Aguilar in the chest. He died at the scene in front of his family.[/quote] Subhuman fucks.

What the fuck. The poor family.

imagine not being able to figure out how to drive stick in like 3 seconds

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51949229]imagine not being able to figure out how to drive stick in like 3 seconds[/QUOTE] If all you've ever driven is auto, having a 3rd pedal can be quite jarring

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51949229]imagine not being able to figure out how to drive stick in like 3 seconds[/QUOTE] These people are too stupid to do things legally, let alone figure out a manual transmission. Also, driving stick is not easy.

One of the reasons I drive a manual is so it can't be stolen. Well his wasn't stolen either.

Fucking assholes, i hope they get shot too.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51949283]One of the reasons I drive a manual is so it can't be stolen. Well his wasn't stolen either.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this isn't really the best idea since it can make desperate criminals act even more erratically.

[QUOTE=GammaFive;51949353]Yeah, this isn't really the best idea since it can make desperate criminals act even more erratically.[/QUOTE] Honestly that is a very irrational opinion. I mean this is a one time occurrence of that. You can search up vids of carjackers trying to drive manual transmission cars and they just run out of it after stalling over and over. You have to be seriously deranged like the person in the article to kill someone over it. Anyway, I drive stick as well, and especially in my low income area sports cars are always a target. Atleast I have some extra security.

[QUOTE=Amplar;51949266]These people are too stupid to do things legally, let alone figure out a manual transmission. Also, driving stick is not easy.[/QUOTE] But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.

[QUOTE=GammaFive;51949353]Yeah, this isn't really the best idea since it can make desperate criminals act even more erratically.[/QUOTE] The idea is that I come back to the parking lot to find my window broken but the car still there [QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] Driving a manual is something you have to learn and practice so you get better at it. The concept is simple since you just press the clutch, put into gear, then give it gas as you let it out but that's something you have to try for yourself. Driving a manual is something you feel but you can't teach someone how to feel, they have to do that on their own over a week of stalling at stoplights and hills

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] Maybe I shouldn't post this because it's going to get me crucified, but I understand nothing about cars aside from "gas pedal = go." So it might be as simple as pressing that third pedal down to change gears, but I wouldn't know what gear to put it in, why, or when to change. Maybe I'm an idiot for not understanding it, but I've only ever had a chance to drive automatics. I'd certainly be able to learn if I had to, but not in the span of a couple of minutes. Good thing I'm not going to run around and steal cars, I guess.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51949521] Driving a manual is something you have to learn and practice so you get better at it. The concept is simple since you just press the clutch then give it gas as you let it out but that's something you have to try for yourself. Driving a manual is something you feel but you can't teach someone how to feel, they have to do that on their own over a week of stalling at stoplights and hills[/QUOTE] Really it's this. You learn the concept of operating it in 1-2 days, but you have to get used to when the clutch bites, how much throttle to use when going off the line, clutching out softly so it doesn't shake the car, ect. I don't want to derail further, but my father taught me in 1 day when I got my first car. (After a few months of driving their auto). I could go around town, but I would stall sometimes and grind some gears. After a month of daily driving one, its all muscle memory. I even taught a friend how to drive my car, and in the same day they were shifting and driving around my neighborhood. It's easy. And fellow americans, the rest of the world drives this way.

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;51949554]Maybe I shouldn't post this because it's going to get me crucified, but I understand nothing about cars aside from "gas pedal = go." So it might be as simple as pressing that third pedal down to change gears, but I wouldn't know what gear to put it in, why, or when to change. Maybe I'm an idiot for not understanding it, but I've only ever had a chance to drive automatics. I'd certainly be able to learn if I had to, but not in the span of a couple of minutes. Good thing I'm not going to run around and steal cars, I guess.[/QUOTE] It's one of those things that when watching someone do it, it probably looks like an arcane art. But when you're behind the wheel yourself you can feel when you should shift up or down based on how the engine is sounding and what horrendous vibrations are happening from something fighting your current gear. Everything is quite tactile, even in a modern car with electronic assists. You will still feel the engine bite the gears and be able to tell when the current gear is just no good. I think it took me around 2 or so lessons to get the general gist of it. And over time you just get smoother at doing it really. Less stalls, smoother shifts, etc. I do miss having a manual sometimes because automatic gearboxes in the generation of car I have do not like shifting when you expect it to happen...

I want them to be locked into a manual car going into a grinder, and the only way they can get out is to drive it jesus christ

[QUOTE=werrek;51949447]Honestly that is a very irrational opinion. I mean this is a one time occurrence of that. You can search up vids of carjackers trying to drive manual transmission cars and they just run out of it after stalling over and over. You have to be seriously deranged like the person in the article to kill someone over it. Anyway, I drive stick as well, and especially in my low income area sports cars are always a target. Atleast I have some extra security.[/QUOTE] This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time though, and I agree that this would normally cause them to give up and retreat, but you can't be certain that they wouldn't see it as an act of defiance and straight up kill someone in cold blood like you see here. It's just something to think about, there isn't a right or wrong here.

[QUOTE=Amplar;51949266]These people are too stupid to do things legally, let alone figure out a manual transmission. Also, driving stick is not easy.[/QUOTE] Actually, it's very easy, provided you've got a transmission made within the past 70 years or so that's fully synchromeshed. no more difficult than driving auto.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51949775]Actually, it's very easy, provided you've got a transmission made within the past 70 years or so that's fully synchromeshed. no more difficult than driving auto.[/QUOTE] Yeah but people don't know what to do when it comes to driving manual. Imagine opening a door, for us it's simple because we do it everyday and know what to do but how is an alien from alpha centauri going to know that in order to open this door, they have to get a key, put it into the deadbolt and turn it counter clockwise, put the same key into the doorknob and turn it counter clockwise, remove the key, then turn the doorknob clockwise and push to open it.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949624] I think it took me around 2 or so lessons to get the general gist of it.[/QUOTE] Then why are you acting like someone who can't immediately understand it is subhuman These guys are, but it's not something that can instantly be understood.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] Well if you want to act like a fucking prick about it I'm sure it'll encourage people to learn huh [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51949823]Then why are you acting like someone who can't immediately understand it is subhuman These guys are, but it's not something that can instantly be understood.[/QUOTE] 2 "lessons" was a whopping great two hours of my time. That I didn't even have to pay for because my dad insisted I ruin his cars gearbox. My dad isn't even that good at explaining shit. So it wasn't even being "taught" really. Two hours from an actual instructor would probably have you working that thing well enough to hit the road without supervision. It's really not all that hard. It just seems more daunting than it is. Sitting behind the wheel and having a go at it, even if you don't intend to drive a manual after (I currently drive an auto) can tell you that. Much like riding a simple push bike really.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949905]2 "lessons" was a whopping great two hours of my time. That I didn't even have to pay for because my dad insisted I ruin his cars gearbox. My dad isn't even that good at explaining shit. So it wasn't even being "taught" really. Two hours from an actual instructor would probably have you working that thing well enough to hit the road without supervision. It's really not all that hard. It just seems more daunting than it is. Sitting behind the wheel and having a go at it, even if you don't intend to drive a manual after (I currently drive an auto) can tell you that. Much like riding a simple push bike really.[/QUOTE] Your missing his point, you implied driving manual is something you can pick up within 5 seconds of entering a car. Sure its easy for people in the UK where everyone is taught to drive manual but I don't know a single person who had the clutch and gears figured out before they even pressed the clutch

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51949794]Yeah but people don't know what to do when it comes to driving manual. Imagine opening a door, for us it's simple because we do it everyday and know what to do but how is an alien from alpha centauri going to know that in order to open this door, they have to get a key, put it into the deadbolt and turn it counter clockwise, put the same key into the doorknob and turn it counter clockwise, remove the key, then turn the doorknob clockwise and push to open it.[/QUOTE] That's only because nobody ever taught them. It's like any other mildly complex skill we learn, like riding a bicycle or using a PC or cooking dinner. It becomes second nature after a while, you don't even consciously need to think about what to do. When I drive my truck I'm not having to go 'hey, ok, left foot, bring that pedal up nice and smooth, right hand move that lever up and left', I just think 'Go forward' and my limbs do the rest. When I first started driving, sure, I had to keep my mind on the controls, but it only took a couple months worth of driving before I didn't have to do that anymore. Anyone capable of competently driving a car is capable of doing so on a standard trans. They just need someone there to teach them how to do it at first, and they need to log the next 15,000 miles or so they drive on stick exclusively. After that it will become muscle memory and they'll be able to never touch a clutch again for a decade and slonk right back into the groove within seconds next time they do. It's far more difficult to navigate crowded interstates and intersections, dodge inattentive drivers + road debris + animals + pedestrians, parse poor signage, sort through complex interchanges, than it is to work a clutch pedal and shift lever.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51949943]That's only because nobody ever taught them. It's like any other mildly complex skill we learn, like riding a bicycle or using a PC or cooking dinner. It becomes second nature after a while, you don't even consciously need to think about what to do. When I drive my truck I'm not having to go 'hey, ok, left foot, bring that pedal up nice and smooth, right hand move that lever up and left', I just think 'Go forward' and my limbs do the rest. When I first started driving, sure, I had to keep my mind on the controls, but it only took a couple months worth of driving before I didn't have to do that anymore. Anyone capable of competently driving a car is capable of doing so on a standard trans. They just need someone there to teach them how to do it at first, and they need to log the next 15,000 miles or so they drive on stick exclusively. After that it will become muscle memory and they'll be able to never touch a clutch again for a decade and slonk right back into the groove within seconds next time they do. It's far more difficult to navigate crowded interstates and intersections, dodge inattentive drivers + road debris + animals + pedestrians, parse poor signage, sort through complex interchanges, than it is to work a clutch pedal and shift lever.[/QUOTE] ...That's the fucking point. Of course it's fucking possible to [b]be taught[/b] how to drive stick. That doesn't mean it's easy to just hop into a manual car and drive it [b]without prior instruction.[/b]

[QUOTE=geel9;51949949]...That's the fucking point. Of course it's fucking possible to [b]be taught[/b] how to drive stick. That doesn't mean it's easy to just hop into a manual car and drive it [b]without prior instruction.[/b][/QUOTE] I don't think anybody is claiming it's something you can just hop in and do without some previous explanation. We're just wondering how it's seen as a genuine talent or something. [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DrivingStick]Even in the media there's the fairly common trope of characters being surprised when someone can drive manual after all.[/url] I myself am just totally befuddled by how manual transmissions aren't more commonly used over there, to the point of actually being a theft deterrent. Despite having the choice between manual and auto licensing over here people will pretty much always opt for a manual (which allows you to drive both kinds) over an auto (automatic only) license because it serves more utility for only a minor amount of extra work.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949967]I don't think anybody is claiming it's something you can just hop in and do without some previous explanation. We're just wondering how it's seen as a genuine talent or something. [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DrivingStick]Even in the media there's the fairly common trope of characters being surprised when someone can drive manual after all.[/url] I myself am just totally befuddled by how manual transmissions aren't more commonly used over there, to the point of actually being a theft deterrent. Despite having the choice between manual and auto licensing over here people will pretty much always opt for a manual (which allows you to drive both kinds) over an auto (automatic only) license because it serves more utility for only a minor amount of extra work.[/QUOTE] Because there's no damn reason to learn how to use a manual. Cars are automatic now. That's just how it is. Yes, manual cars are still being made and still exist but they're just an inferior, uncommon product. People are already terrible at driving. We need to be making it easier, not holding it back because we just love the feeling of a manual, man.

[QUOTE=geel9;51949975]Because there's no damn reason to learn how to use a manual. Cars are automatic now. That's just how it is. Yes, manual cars are still being made and still exist but they're just an inferior, uncommon product.[/QUOTE] Lol no they aren't. Manual cars are generally far more reliable than any electronic nanny autotragic.

[QUOTE=geel9;51949949]...That's the fucking point. Of course it's fucking possible to [b]be taught[/b] how to drive stick. That doesn't mean it's easy to just hop into a manual car and drive it [b]without prior instruction.[/b][/QUOTE] I think his point is that if you are going for a grand theft auto, at least you should learn how to drive manualy so in case you will end up stealing a manual car you won't have to give it up (since the risk exist). And yes, even I that can't fucking drive a car learnt to at least switch in 3 leassons :rollout:

what was the news article about again

[QUOTE=geel9;51949975]Because there's no damn reason to learn how to use a manual. Cars are automatic now. That's just how it is. Yes, manual cars are still being made and still exist but they're just an inferior, uncommon product. People are already terrible at driving. We need to be making it easier, not holding it back because we just love the feeling of a manual, man.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I see it a bit like learning to swim. Sure, you don't swim to work every day, but god dammit when the floods come you'll be ready for that swim. Learning how to drive manual at the very least isn't going to do any harm. As I mentioned earlier, I drive an automatic now. It sure is a lot easier (to fall asleep doing!) but should the worst come to the worst and my car dies, I should reasonably be able to hop into anything even if it's only for a little while. Hey, at least I know what kind of car to rent if I ever visit the US. Won't have to worry about driving around certain areas when the shifter scares thieves away. [editline]12th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;51949988]what was the news article about again[/QUOTE] I dunno, the conversation is somewhat relevant I guess. If you were going to steal cars for some extra cashola, perhaps learning how to drive with the arcane craft of using a manual transmission could open up new realms of theft and stop you needing to fucking kill a dude.