Some babies face herpes risk as N.J. lacks circumcision safety rules - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=USA Today]TRENTON, N.J. — Potentially thousands of male newborns in a New Jersey community may be exposed each year to a deadly form of herpes from an ultra-Orthodox circumcision ritual that mandates rabbis use their mouths to suck blood from the fresh cut. But there is no safety protocol in place to assess and mitigate risks associated with the mouth-to-genital contact — despite four deaths statewide of infants between 1999 and 2015 where herpes simplex virus was found as an underlying cause, an Asbury Park Press investigation found. The ritual is prevalent among the booming Orthodox population in Lakewood, N.J. There were 4,464 births to township women in 2015 — a birth rate that is four times higher than the state rate. New York, where officials have linked metzitzah b'peh (sucking with the mouth) circumcisions to at least 24 cases of infant herpes since 2000, bans mohels from practicing, pending a herpes test, if they're believed to be responsible for passing the disease to infants. New Jersey doesn't have any similar rules. A mohel, who is the rabbi performing the ritual, briefly places his mouth over the cut after removal of the foreskin of the penis and sucks out a small amount of blood, ceremonially purifying the area. Medical experts say the procedure is risky because the oral contact puts babies at risk of getting harmful herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) viruses. Many adults carry HSV-1 in their bodies. They may have no symptoms or only mild symptoms, such as cold sores. Unlike adults, babies are too young to fight the virus — they could suffer brain damage, develop a lifelong disability or in some cases die.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/18/babies-herpes-circumcision-risk/579557001/"]Source[/URL].

[quote]rabbis use their mouths to suck blood from the fresh cut.[/quote] :sick:

It's really disturbing that this is legal. If it was anything but a religious custom it wouldn't fly.

[QUOTE=ferrus;52616213]It's really disturbing that this is legal. If it was anything but a religious custom it wouldn't fly.[/QUOTE] It shouldn't be okay even if it IS a religious custom. Genital mutilation is not ok.

how does something this fucked up even worm it's way into religion? like how far back do you have to go until mankind was ungabunga enough to think sucking a newborn's dick to stop bleeding was something God willed? why couldn't humankind have invented religion where it glorifies being good to one another and letting people live their lives how they want as long as it isn't toxic / detrimental to society? a religion where good deeds boiled down to hi fiving each other and being nice.

alternatively, don't circumcise

[QUOTE=Idzo;52616237]It shouldn't be okay even if it IS a religious custom. Genital mutilation is not ok.[/QUOTE] It's pretty much normal in the US. Not the religious variant, though.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52616345]It's pretty much normal in the US. Not the religious variant, though.[/QUOTE] I fail to see how it being "normal" means that we should continue doing it.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52616292]how does something this fucked up even worm it's way into religion? like how far back do you have to go until mankind was ungabunga enough to think sucking a newborn's dick to stop bleeding was something God willed? why couldn't humankind have invented religion where it glorifies being good to one another and letting people live their lives how they want as long as it isn't toxic / detrimental to society? a religion where good deeds boiled down to hi fiving each other and being nice.[/QUOTE] Things change and mutate over time. Just as man has evolved so has the concept of belief and religion. At some point a dude bit off a baby's foreskin. He probably said that God commanded it, so other people went along with it. The rest is history. Really fucked up history.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52616292]how does something this fucked up even worm it's way into religion? like how far back do you have to go until mankind was ungabunga enough to think sucking a newborn's dick to stop bleeding was something God willed? why couldn't humankind have invented religion where it glorifies being good to one another and letting people live their lives how they want as long as it isn't toxic / detrimental to society? a religion where good deeds boiled down to hi fiving each other and being nice.[/QUOTE] what like Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Pastafarians etc...? There are always those that squeeze religion to get what they want out of it and its up to the flock to root out a bad shephard in all religions. Well, except Scientology but its not exactly a religion or my point. Goto a church and ask them for seconds and you will see if it's a house of the lord or not.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52616345]It's pretty much normal in the US. Not the religious variant, though.[/QUOTE] Normality has nothing to do with whether something is good or bad. Body mods for babies should not be considered okay.

Jeeze. Even as someone who prefers the look and feel of a circumcised dick, that's absolutely terrifying. Most of us Jews tend to be more than a little leery of the ultra orthodox guys. This doesn't represent judaism as a whole.

the ultra orthodox population, at least in my area, are a major problem because they ignore the laws, or get onto the local councils to change the rules for themselves. in my town there's been several cases of people converting their houses into synagogues to get around zoning laws

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52616425]what like Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Pastafarians etc...? There are always those that squeeze religion to get what they want out of it and its up to the flock to root out a bad shephard in all religions. Well, except Scientology but its not exactly a religion or my point. Goto a church and ask them for seconds and you will see if it's a house of the lord or not.[/QUOTE] I specifically didn't mention any Abrahamic religions (not sure about Buddhism or Pastafarianism) because they're just as bad. Coming from an Islamic background, it annoys me when Muslim friends tout Islam as a religion of peace. Yet I've seen behind the curtain and I know for a fact that Islam gives people a callousness and blanketed hatred towards certain things / ethnicities / beliefs. What makes this such a terrible thing is the fact that people can commit atrocious acts yet feel not a shred of empathy, because they believe it's God's will.

The first sentence was more than I needed to read. :thisthread:

[QUOTE=Conro101;52616602]the ultra orthodox population, at least in my area, are a major problem because they ignore the laws, or get onto the local councils to change the rules for themselves. in my town there's been several cases of people converting their houses into synagogues to get around zoning laws[/QUOTE] Aren't they a major cause of discontent in Israel too? Like to the extent of exhibiting ass-backward beliefs as bad as ultra-conservative Muslims and actively provoking people and disrupting the peace process?

Circumcision should be illegal.

[QUOTE=geel9;52616658]Circumcision should be illegal.[/QUOTE] Non-consensual circumcision should be. No reason to stop adults from doing stupid things that only really hurt themselves.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52616666]Non-consensual circumcision should be. No reason to stop adults from doing stupid things that only really hurt themselves.[/QUOTE] That's fair but I think from context it's pretty obvious I was speaking about non-consensual circumcision.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52616610]I specifically didn't mention any Abrahamic religions (not sure about Buddhism or Pastafarianism) because they're just as bad. Coming from an Islamic background, it annoys me when Muslim friends tout Islam as a religion of peace. Yet I've seen behind the curtain and I know for a fact that Islam gives people a callousness and blanketed hatred towards certain things / ethnicities / beliefs. What makes this such a terrible thing is the fact that people can commit atrocious acts yet feel not a shred of empathy, because they believe it's God's will.[/QUOTE]As a non-religious Arab, I completely agree with. It's unfortunate that few see the truth. Unfortunately, a lot of doctors where I live (Jordan) who are religious convince parents to have their children circumcised, even though in many cases it is not necessary.

please everyone stop messing with babies dicks !

[QUOTE=loopoo;52616610]I specifically didn't mention any Abrahamic religions (not sure about Buddhism or Pastafarianism) because they're just as bad. Coming from an Islamic background, it annoys me when Muslim friends tout Islam as a religion of peace. Yet I've seen behind the curtain and I know for a fact that Islam gives people a callousness and blanketed hatred towards certain things / ethnicities / beliefs. What makes this such a terrible thing is the fact that people can commit atrocious acts yet feel not a shred of empathy, because they believe it's God's will.[/QUOTE] Religion can do as much good as it can cause harm it just depends. Here's a real life anicdote that affected my family because of jackasses abusing their positions and justify it, now if you will: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_West_World[/url] The pastor of summit church Terry fox then moved to a new facility in wichita and my mother actually worked in the churches band, a year or two down the road something in him snapped and he started preaching all the crazy candy-ass conservative "god hates the gays" crap and we left, a few followers of his later on threatened to bomb abortion clinics. I knew these people before and after and i'm still left scratching my head as to how such a change could happen in such short time. But for all that is wrong in the world there is some right: many churches sponsor food drives, cover health costs when people are down on their luck, and generally help everyone out in someway or another in my experience. I don't believe in God but I can't argue with the results of those that do.

it was normal and accepted to drill a hole in your skull to relieve pressure to stop headaches we should keep doing it because hey, tradition man [editline]26th August 2017[/editline] We should also put lead in our wine and drink it as well. Something the Romans have done for quite some time. and eat raw sewage. Totally sanitary, people have been doing this for a bajillion years, why stop now haha

[QUOTE=ferrus;52616213]It's really disturbing that this is legal. If it was anything but a religious custom it wouldn't fly.[/QUOTE] My parents arent religious but did it because "you're sposed to" :angry:

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52617584]My parents arent religious but did it because "you're sposed to" :angry:[/QUOTE] That's how most Americans wind up circumcised. Europeans are usually baffled at it. It's quite clearly stated in the Bible that Christians don't have to do it, and don't gain any spiritual benefit (e.g. getting into heaven) for it.

I remember reading about this custom before. Easily one of the creepiest customs I've ever seen.

yall goys jealous i got my dick wet when i was only 8 days old

[QUOTE=Bertie;52618641]yall goys jealous i got my dick wet when i was only 8 days old[/QUOTE] I wish I was this cool [editline]27th August 2017[/editline] why am i such a loser

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52617714]That's how most Americans wind up circumcised. Europeans are usually baffled at it. It's quite clearly stated in the Bible that Christians don't have to do it, and don't gain any spiritual benefit (e.g. getting into heaven) for it.[/QUOTE] We can blame Kellogg and others touting "health benefits". Up until recently, circumcision was a recommended precedure for infants by doctors themselves. And who the hell isn't going to listen to their doctor. Of course the benefits are circumstatial at best. So it's no longer recommended and as it turns out we have been cutting babies dicks for generations for basically no reason.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52617714]That's how most Americans wind up circumcised. Europeans are usually baffled at it. It's quite clearly stated in the Bible that Christians don't have to do it, and don't gain any spiritual benefit (e.g. getting into heaven) for it.[/QUOTE] It's not only clearly stated, it's the [I]entire point[/I] of the Epistle to the Galatians. It's an entire book of the Bible centered around Paul telling the Galatians that you don't have to circumcise. It crops up in Romans, 1 Corinthians, and Acts, too - Paul was a [B]very[/B] vocal advocate for the abolition of old Mosaic and Judaic rituals and laws. Circumcision is a cultural norm that has basically nothing to do with religion at this point. The same goes for a lot of American Christianity - it's more cultural and social than spiritual or religious. There's a [I]ton[/I] of complexity and nuance and controversy in the history of the Church, most of which is rarely taught or even discussed in the modern Church.