Oklahoma father shot and killed by neighbor while drowning infant children - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Washington Post]Leland Foster, 27 years old, of Ada, Okla. allegedly went to the home of his estranged wife, Michelle Forrells, and their twins. Foster pulled Forrells into a bathroom, threatened her at knifepoint and began trying to drown the children — a boy and a girl, according to Ada Public Information Officer Lisa Bratcher. A 12-year-girl inside the home at the time ran to a neighbor’s house for help. That neighbor, Cash Freeman, grabbed his revolver, entered the house and shot Foster in the back twice. He later died of his injuries.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/05/oklahoma-father-tries-to-drown-twin-babies-neighbor-shoots-him/?utm_term=.baa1ef9d79e9[/url] [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/neighbor-kills-man-trying-to-drown-twins-police-say/ar-BBBZrRS[/url] No charges filed against the neighbor as of now; hopefully it stays that way. Have to wonder if it would play out the same way in a state other than Oklahoma.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;52314574]Have to wonder if it would play out the same way in a state other than Oklahoma.[/QUOTE] I think 99% of judges worldwide would be super lenient on someone that shot and killed an asshole halfway through the act of drowning an infant.

This might just be one of the more insane headlines I've read in a while. Thank Christ the babies are okay.

how do you can explain to those kids when they grow up

This is just too fucked up.

phew, I was worried the headline would be the other way round.

Jesus, that's awful. I'm glad the neighbor did something, I don't think the infants would have survived if he had waited for the police.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;52314574][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/05/oklahoma-father-tries-to-drown-twin-babies-neighbor-shoots-him/?utm_term=.baa1ef9d79e9[/url] [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/neighbor-kills-man-trying-to-drown-twins-police-say/ar-BBBZrRS[/url] No charges filed against the neighbor as of now; hopefully it stays that way. Have to wonder if it would play out the same way in a state other than Oklahoma.[/QUOTE] Depends on the Castle Doctrine in the state. Yhere was a case in Texas where a father killed a man who was sexually assaulting his son by beating him to death. He wasnt charged because in Texas you can reply to non-life threatening assaults with lethal force. Its probably similar in Oklahoma, but this guy was trying to murder infants, so I doubt he'll get charged with anything. [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52314585]I think 99% of judges worldwide would be super lenient on someone that shot and killed an asshole halfway through the act of drowning an infant.[/QUOTE] Youre always going to find a judge who lives on a moral high horse who would think the situation could have been soulved without violence.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;52314574] No charges filed against the neighbor as of now; hopefully it stays that way. Have to wonder if it would play out the same way in a state other than Oklahoma.[/QUOTE] Here in Indiana it would have played out the same. Here you can intervene and defend someone with lethal force on their behalf. Falls under good sumaritan laws if I recall.

It is HIGHLY unlikely he'll be charged with anything at all. Castle doctrine can easily be thrown out considering he killed someone not only in the defense of two minors and their mother, but also with the intention of preventing a murder. Even [I]if[/I] he gets charged by some self-righteous anti-gun loon, a damn public defender would be able to plead "self defense" of the two minors and their mother and get the dude acquitted.

"Cash Freeman" is such a fucking movie character name :v:

his name is fucking [I]Cash Freeman[/I] what a bad ass name [editline]5th June 2017[/editline] ninja'd fuck

This whole situation is messed up, but at least the rescuer won't be charged for shooting that asshole. Thank god those poor kids were saved.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52314585]I think 99% of judges worldwide would be super lenient on someone that shot and killed an asshole halfway through the act of drowning an infant.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52314734]You're always going to find a judge who lives on a moral high horse who would think the situation could have been soulved without violence.[/QUOTE] Is the correct answer Great Britain? :v:

Wow, what a horrific situation. Being drowned and witnessing a death all in one go.

Jfc, probably one of the few circumstances where shooting an unarmed man can be justified.

To be fair he had a knife.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52315074]Is the correct answer Great Britain? :v:[/QUOTE] In English law there's a Defence of Necessity which allows one to break the law (including committing murder) to stop someone else committing a crime. There was actually a case where a surgeon was acquitted of destruction of an infant (unlawful killing of an unborn child) because the child in question was a malformed conjoined twin who was reliant on the other twin, and the judge ruled that it amounted to a life-threatening attack that justified the murderous intervention.

You know what would have been beyond great? If Cash's last name was statefarm :v: "Like a good neighbor, Statefarm is there! (with a revolver)"

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;52318035]To be fair he had a knife.[/QUOTE] Honestly though, a crazed or simply angry man with his bare fists alone could very easily kill someone and would justify using deadly force on. The idea that you shouldn't use a gun on an unarmed man is so ridiculous. If you fear for your life and are forced to defend yourself or someone else, it shouldn't matter what tool you use to do so.

[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;52318240]In English law there's a Defence of Necessity which allows one to break the law (including committing murder) to stop someone else committing a crime. There was actually a case where a surgeon was acquitted of destruction of an infant (unlawful killing of an unborn child) because the child in question was a malformed conjoined twin who was reliant on the other twin, and the judge ruled that it amounted to a life-threatening attack that justified the murderous intervention.[/QUOTE] That sounds like an extremely specific circumstance which they make exceptions for considering it was an emergency decision made by medical doctor. Someone attempting to defend themselves with a gun would probably be treated far differently. I don't know about all the laws surrounding firearms in Great Britain, but the impression I get is using a firearm for self defense is not legally justified under any circumstances. Even if it were, don't you need to have a "valid reason" (hunting or farming) to own a firearm in Britain? Last time I checked, self defense was not a valid reason to be issued a license there. Also I'm pretty sure all forms of handguns are straight up illegal to possess, which makes the actions in this article a crime in Britain since the guy rescued those children by using a revolver. I don't know for sure though so correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;52318240]In English law there's a Defence of Necessity which allows one to break the law (including committing murder) to stop someone else committing a crime. There was actually a case where a surgeon was acquitted of destruction of an infant (unlawful killing of an unborn child) because the child in question was a malformed conjoined twin who was reliant on the other twin, and the judge ruled that it amounted to a life-threatening attack that justified the murderous intervention.[/QUOTE] You would go to jail in a heartbeat if you defended yourself with a firearm in England.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;52314574][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/05/oklahoma-father-tries-to-drown-twin-babies-neighbor-shoots-him/?utm_term=.baa1ef9d79e9[/url] [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/neighbor-kills-man-trying-to-drown-twins-police-say/ar-BBBZrRS[/url] No charges filed against the neighbor as of now; hopefully it stays that way. Have to wonder if it would play out the same way in a state other than Oklahoma.[/QUOTE] I live in Oklahoma and can confirm that this wouldn't have happened anywhere else lol.