NIO’s EP9 EV beats every production car ever with a Nurburgring lap record of 6:45.90 - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_1858w/public/news-listicle/image/ep9-nurburgring-3.jpg?itok=rTLWNc0u[/t] [QUOTE]One by one, EVs are decimating records set by internal combustion engine vehicles. NIO/NextEV’s $1.48 million electric supercar, the [URL="https://electrek.co/2016/11/21/nextev-nio-ep9-electric-1-mw-supercar/"]NIO EP9[/URL], has set a new lap record around one of the world’s most famous and grueling racetracks, the Nurburgring Nordschleife. The car managed a time of [URL="http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170512005619/en/NIO-EP9-Breaks-Nurburgring-Nordschleife-Lap-Record"]6:45.90[/URL], which is the fastest lap ever set by an electric vehicle around the track – and in fact is faster than [I]any[/I] production vehicle, electric or otherwise, beating the Lamborghini Huracan Performante by just over 6 seconds. This would be the fastest lap ever done by any production vehicle – assuming we count the EP9 as a production vehicle. Currently, NIO has built seven EP9s, and plans another production run of ten more cars. While this is certainly a small number of units, other cars with smaller production runs (and similarly-high prices, like the McLaren F1 XP5 prototype, of which 5 were built) have qualified as “production” vehicles [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Product ion.2C_street-legal_vehicles"]for these purposes[/URL], so the EP9 probably deserves the title. The Nordschleife is a famously difficult track, often used as a benchmark for overall vehicle performance due to its length and grueling nature. The track is over 12 miles long through the German countryside and includes high and low speed turns, varied road surfaces and lots of bumps and hills. [/QUOTE] Please note that the EP9 is not a production car, but as far as I know it is road legal, also note that the previous holder of the best road legal time is not the lambo huracan (which has also been questioned) but the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_SR8"]Radical SR8[/URL] LM. Also some cars that have had smaller production runs have been considered production, there's currently 5 EP9s with 5 more on the way. The car also holds a record of autonomous driving on the circuit of the americas. New lap is not up yet, but here's the old one: [video]https://youtu.be/UuW9qYVBLB8[/video] [URL]https://electrek.co/2017/05/13/nios-ep9-nurburgring-record/[/URL]

A result like this was bound to happen eventually. Quite impressive. The car looks good too. But it's still going to be a while before we see electric cars racing in things that aren't like Formula e due to range anxiety; that formula only works because the cars are so light, and yet drivers still literally have to swap into a new, fully-charged car to finish the race. I don't think the NIO EP9 would be a good trackday car unless there's some ultra-fast charging system or convenient battery swap system. Who knows though, that might be a reality soon.

Beating the record is an impressive feat by itself, but beating it by [B]six seconds[/B]? That's a sick margin.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;52226796]Beating the record is an impressive feat by itself, but beating it by [B]six seconds[/B]? That's a sick margin.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the Nordschleife is the longest track in the world. The EP9's record was 406 seconds. The Lambo's was 412 seconds. That's only a 1.5% margin. With that narrow of a margin, driver skill is likely to be a huge factor.

[QUOTE=BF;52226905]Don't forget the Nordschleife is the longest track in the world. The EP9's record was 406 seconds. The Lambo's was 412 seconds. That's only a 1.5% margin. With that narrow of a margin, driver skill is likely to be a huge factor.[/QUOTE] 6 seconds is a lot, regardless of driver skill, also they have multiple runs.

/o/ is gonna be pissed

[QUOTE=Dr.C;52229157]/o/ is gonna be pissed[/QUOTE] Do they have some kind of petrol fetish?

But all my petrol head friends told me EVs are only fast on the drag strips?

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52229190]Do they have some kind of petrol fetish?[/QUOTE] Yes of course. It doesn't go vroom vroom so it's not a real car. I wonder if there a any battery chemistries that have crazy energy density and would work for a car like this but are just really expensive. We all know there is a market for a car that costs millions of dollars

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52229190]Do they have some kind of petrol fetish?[/QUOTE] Not really a gas fetish. There aren't any EVs made for auto enthusiasts. They're all bloated with tech for people who hate driving and they're heavy barges

[QUOTE=Dr.C;52229624]Not really a gas fetish. There aren't any EVs made for auto enthusiasts. They're all bloated with tech for people who hate driving and they're heavy barges[/QUOTE] There are though? Rimac Concept One just to name one off the top of my head. Gas enthusiasts just don't know/care enough about it to look into it. What do you label an enthusiast? There's a whole market of people that build and modify electric cars, too. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] Just because you don't put gas in it doesn't mean you can't be an enthusiast. That's silly. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] [quote]There aren't any EVs made for auto enthusiasts. They're all bloated with tech for people who hate driving and they're heavy barges.[/quote] You're posting this in a thread about an electric super car.

[QUOTE=OvB;52229305]But all my petrol head friends told me EVs are only fast on the drag strips?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure people only say that about the Model S/X

that's amazing, pity people are calling it boring because it doesn't have a screaming engine to go along with it, the experience must be just as intense as driving a car with a petrol engine especially when it's pulling off the same power as one

I would love to have a visualization for the G forces and the speed aswell.

[QUOTE=OvB;52229775]There are though? Rimac Concept One just to name one off the top of my head. Gas enthusiasts just don't know/care enough about it to look into it. What do you label an enthusiast? There's a whole market of people that build and modify electric cars, too. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] Just because you don't put gas in it doesn't mean you can't be an enthusiast. That's silly. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] You're posting this in a thread about an electric super car.[/QUOTE] How do you even modify electric cars? Plus they are gonna have the stigma of being a racing hippie for a while. And most auto enthusiasts like modding their engines, you cant put a supercharger or a new camshaft on a bunch of batterys.

[QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;52230848]How do you even modify electric cars? Plus they are gonna have the stigma of being a racing hippie for a while. Plus most auto enthusiasts like modding their engines, you cant put a supercharger or a new camshaft on a bunch of batterys.[/QUOTE] Quite a lot of people have modded their Tesla's. It's just a different skillset.

[QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;52230848]How do you even modify electric cars? Plus they are gonna have the stigma of being a racing hippie for a while. Plus most auto enthusiasts like modding their engines, you cant put a supercharger or a new camshaft on a bunch of batterys.[/QUOTE] [url]http://evwest.com/catalog/[/url] There's quite a large enthusiast culture around modifying and converting ICE cars into EV's. These people build their own batteries out of laptop cells from scratch and design their own drive units. Do you use one motor, two, or more? Lithium ion, lithium iron phosphate, or something different? It's obviously not as mature as modifying ICE cars, but it's not as plug and play as people think. You need a good knowledge of electrical engineering to do it safely (and well). A petrol head might not know how to do it, as much as an EV enthusiast might not know about ignition timing. [Media]https://youtu.be/JQa5gn-7D74[/media] [Media]https://youtu.be/RO5YETx2MIw[/media] This guy above even gave his wife's old Model S autopilot: [url]https://skie.net/skynet/projects/tesla/view_post/14_Autopilot+Retrofit+on+Classic+P85[/url] Just wait until people start making custom rotors, stators, and motor housings.

[QUOTE=Porkychop~;52229619]Yes of course. It doesn't go vroom vroom so it's not a real car. I wonder if there a any battery chemistries that have crazy energy density and would work for a car like this but are just really expensive. We all know there is a market for a car that costs millions of dollars[/QUOTE] Sadly, not really. Various Lithium compounds are still kinda king, and while there's more expensive stuff than the consumer grade thing but it's not a huge improvement. You have to keep in mind that petrol is kind of cheating as "energy storage", because the chemical in your tank is only carrying part of the energy potential you are making use of - the rest comes from O2 in the air. If you consider a combustion engine which carries it's own oxidizer aside of the fuel (like rocket engines), the practical energy density immediately takes a dump. I [I]think[/I] because of this and because of how efficient it is compared to combustion, a hydrogen cell generator would probably allow the best energy density... if hydrogen wasn't a massive bitch to store and didn't eat your advantage margin with the weight of very high pressure system (and the hydrogen cell itself...)

[QUOTE=OvB;52231390][url]http://evwest.com/catalog/[/url] There's quite a large enthusiast culture around modifying and converting ICE cars into EV's. These people build their own batteries out of laptop cells from scratch and design their own drive units. Do you use one motor, two, or more? Lithium ion, lithium iron phosphate, or something different? It's obviously not as mature as modifying ICE cars, but it's not as plug and play as people think. You need a good knowledge of electrical engineering to do it safely (and well). A petrol head might not know how to do it, as much as an EV enthusiast might not know about ignition timing. [Media]https://youtu.be/JQa5gn-7D74[/media] [Media]https://youtu.be/RO5YETx2MIw[/media] This guy above even gave his wife's old Model S autopilot: [url]https://skie.net/skynet/projects/tesla/view_post/14_Autopilot+Retrofit+on+Classic+P85[/url] Just wait until people start making custom rotors, stators, and motor housings.[/QUOTE] The car scene won't die, it will merely evolve!

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52232548]The car scene won't die, it will merely evolve![/QUOTE] Just recently some guy converted his lotus evora to use a model S engine with chevy batteries.

[QUOTE=OvB;52229775]There are though? Rimac Concept One just to name one off the top of my head. Gas enthusiasts just don't know/care enough about it to look into it. What do you label an enthusiast? There's a whole market of people that build and modify electric cars, too. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] Just because you don't put gas in it doesn't mean you can't be an enthusiast. That's silly. [editline]14th May 2017[/editline] You're posting this in a thread about an electric super car.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to move the goalposts but I mean from before this. The majority of EVs I see (telsa is in my hometown) are teslas which are just great for commuting and they have the torque to have a 0-60 time better than the dodge demon but they lack a high top speed due to the nature of the engines so you can't really go fast in them compared to a gas car. Also they're super heavy because of the batteries and the computer systems in the cars get in the way, you can't even reliably put them on a dyno because the car senses something is wrong and won't use its max power. They also have safety systems that get in the way of hooning. The others are cars like the chevy bolt(or volt?) and nissan leafs which are just for short range commuting. This car is interesting because it makes up for the shortcoming of electric cars in the performance areas. It also has a fuckton of torque and it able to corner well. Just look at other EVs, they're all supposed to be commuters, that's why they're SUVs, sedans, and compacts. Teslas just so happen to have a great 0-60 time. This is an EV designed to be a monster on the track, other EVs aren't. Also /o/ just hates electric cars because of the smugness they perceive from their fanbase and they're afraid that their popularity lead to roads being completely automated which sounds awesome if you're someone who just uses cars to get around, but awful if you drive as a hobby

155 mph isn't fast enough for you?

[QUOTE=eirexe;52226914]6 seconds is a lot, regardless of driver skill, also they have multiple runs.[/QUOTE] over 13 miles in road cars? no

[QUOTE=Morgen;52236163]155 mph isn't fast enough for you?[/QUOTE] I think that's funny too but I get what he's saying. Teslas were designed to be a comfortable and energy efficient sedan first, the performance is just a consequence of it being an electric. It's more of a perk rather than the primary goal of the car.

Okay, I was hyped as fuck when I first saw this article, but this is being severely misleading. First off, the tires. Tires are extremely important for performance on cars, and this car was running on slicks. Tires that are designed for track use and are not legal to use on the street. The fastest time on slicks on the green hell is a 6:11, so this car isn't even in the ballpark. Second, the chassis. The car is basically built to be an LMP racecar, which means it has huge amounts of downforce and compromises for the chassis that means while it could be road legal, it's definitely not a road car in intent. [QUOTE=Morgen;52236163]155 mph isn't fast enough for you?[/QUOTE] when cars this is competing against hit over 220mph, no. there is a world of difference between a $500,000+ dollar hypercar and a sports car for the street. anything can be fast enough if its made in small enough quantities, massively priced, and engineered to just go fast around a track. a 2-stroke, diesel, 3 cylinder, ev, anything. this car shares about as much with a tesla or leaf as a malibu does with a porsche 918 or mclaren p1. sure, the basic drivetrain is the same, but everything around it is completely different. what people want to see is an electric car that can compete with lower-level enthusiast vehicles like the gt86, camaro, mustang, corvette, sti, miata, etc. we'll have to see when the new roadster comes out. [QUOTE=eirexe;52226914]6 seconds is a lot, regardless of driver skill, also they have multiple runs.[/QUOTE] the nordschleife has 154 turns and is 13 miles long. driver skill is a huge factor and 6 seconds is not that much of a delta. [editline]16th May 2017[/editline] to put this into perspective. this car has more downforce than an indycar, more power and torque than almost every other car in production, plus a ground effect body and lmp1 carbon monocoque, yet even on slick tires it is 40 seconds off a racecar with much less technology from the 80s. the time on road tires was apparently a 7:05, which is impressive on its own, but very slow for a car with all of the stuff that this one does. You'd be better off comparing this car to stuff like the new glickenhaus car or the am rb valkyrie