• Uma Thurman talks about Weinstein and the onset car crash during Kill Bill
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[quote]The first “attack,” she says, came not long after in Weinstein’s suite at the Savoy Hotel in London. “It was such a bat to the head. He pushed me down. He tried to shove himself on me. He tried to expose himself. He did all kinds of unpleasant things. But he didn’t actually put his back into it and force me. You’re like an animal wriggling away, like a lizard. I was doing anything I could to get the train back on the track. My track. Not his track.” She was staying in Fulham with her friend, Ilona Herman, Robert De Niro’s longtime makeup artist, who later worked with Thurman on “Kill Bill.” “The next day to her house arrived a 26-inch-wide vulgar bunch of roses,” Thurman says. “They were yellow. And I opened the note like it was a soiled diaper and it just said, ‘You have great instincts.’” Then, she says, Weinstein’s assistants started calling again to talk about projects. Once the assistants vanished, Thurman says, she warned Weinstein, “If you do what you did to me to other people you will lose your career, your reputation and your family, I promise you.” Her memory of the incident abruptly stops there. Through a representative, Weinstein, who is in therapy in Arizona, agreed that “she very well could have said this.” Downstairs, Herman was getting nervous. “It seemed to take forever,” the friend told me. Finally, the elevator doors opened and Thurman walked out. “She was very disheveled and so upset and had this blank look,” Herman recalled. “Her eyes were crazy and she was totally out of control. I shoveled her into the taxi and we went home to my house. She was really shaking.” Herman said that when the actress was able to talk again, she revealed that Weinstein had threatened to derail her career.[/quote] As for the car accident during Kill Bill filming [quote]In the famous scene where she’s driving the blue convertible to kill Bill — the same one she put on Instagram on Thanksgiving — she was asked to do the driving herself. But she had been led to believe by a teamster, she says, that the car, which had been reconfigured from a stick shift to an automatic, might not be working that well. She says she insisted that she didn’t feel comfortable operating the car and would prefer a stunt person to do it. Producers say they do not recall her objecting. “Quentin came in my trailer and didn’t like to hear no, like any director,” she says. “He was furious because I’d cost them a lot of time. But I was scared. He said: ‘I promise you the car is fine. It’s a straight piece of road.’” He persuaded her to do it, and instructed: “ ‘Hit 40 miles per hour or your hair won’t blow the right way and I’ll make you do it again.’ But that was a deathbox that I was in. The seat wasn’t screwed down properly. It was a sand road and it was not a straight road.” (Tarantino did not respond to requests for comment.) “The steering wheel was at my belly and my legs were jammed under me,” she says. “I felt this searing pain and thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m never going to walk again,’” she says. “When I came back from the hospital in a neck brace with my knees damaged and a large massive egg on my head and a concussion, I wanted to see the car and I was very upset. Quentin and I had an enormous fight, and I accused him of trying to kill me. And he was very angry at that, I guess understandably, because he didn’t feel he had tried to kill me.”[/quote] [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/opinion/sunday/this-is-why-uma-thurman-is-angry.html]New York Times[/url]
another type of situation where "no" means no. Jesus fuck.
The stuff with Tarantino sounds like a director who cares more about his vision than the comfort of those he employs, which honestly I'm not surprised about.
any respect i had for tarantino destroyed tbh, it was obvious he was a bit of a weirdo since forever but that car shit is just seriously fucked up
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;53105386]Tarantino's an ass, but we knew that already. Just not to this extent, yeesh. Every Harvey story I hear he gets creepier and creepier.[/QUOTE] It's a real bummer that a lot of the really interesting filmmakers out there are compelte fucking nutjobs who have a bad habit of putting their actors in harms way for no real reason other than "the perfect shot". Sure the films they make tend to be stellar, but holy shit the stories from their production usually make me wonder how anyone wants to work with them.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53105400] Sure the films they make tend to be stellar, but holy shit the stories from their production usually make me wonder how anyone wants to work with them.[/QUOTE] Reputation and exposure.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53105400]It's a real bummer that a lot of the really interesting filmmakers out there are compelte fucking nutjobs who have a bad habit of putting their actors in harms way for no real reason other than "the perfect shot". Sure the films they make tend to be stellar, but holy shit the stories from their production usually make me wonder how anyone wants to work with them.[/QUOTE] You kind of answered your own question there. It's precisely because they make stellar films that are remembered for years and years and years. And if an actor's performance is memorable in such a good movie, it gets them hired for the next couple gigs. It's the old axiom "Pain is temporary, film is forever."
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53105450]You kind of answered your own question there. It's precisely because they make stellar films that are remembered for years and years and years. And if an actor's performance is memorable in such a good movie, it gets them hired for the next couple gigs. It's the old axiom "Pain is temporary, film is forever."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53105449]Reputation and exposure. No aspiring actor would turn down a job opportunity from the guy who made Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs.[/QUOTE] I mean that much I get. But hearing tales of dudes like Kubrick who had a bad history of driving their stars actively insane during filiming due to his insistence on perfection and stories like this of actors getting royally fucked up makes me wonder "is it worth it?" I suppose the directors so far have all managed to draw the line below causing actual permanent harm or the death of an actor on set, which probably helps the whole "is it worth it?" question.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53105456]I mean that much I get. But hearing tales of dudes like Kubrick who had a bad history of driving their stars actively insane during filiming due to his insistence on perfection and stories like this of actors getting royally fucked up makes me wonder "is it worth it?" I suppose the directors so far have all managed to draw the line below causing actual permanent harm or the death of an actor on set, which probably helps the whole "is it worth it?" question.[/QUOTE] To the actors, yes it is worth it. It's a passionate industry.
[quote]And I opened the note like it was a soiled diaper and it just said, ‘You have great instincts.’”[/quote] Chills. What an absolute fucking psycho.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53105456]I mean that much I get. But hearing tales of dudes like Kubrick who had a bad history of driving their stars actively insane during filiming due to his insistence on perfection and stories like this of actors getting royally fucked up makes me wonder "is it worth it?" I suppose the directors so far have all managed to draw the line below causing actual permanent harm or the death of an actor on set, which probably helps the whole "is it worth it?" question.[/QUOTE] What Kubrick did to Shelley duval was genuinely terrible and not worth it but that movie is amazing so it feels hard but I feel like we could probably do well without hurting people's mental states
[QUOTE=DatHarry;53105391]any respect i had for tarantino destroyed tbh, it was obvious he was a bit of a weirdo since forever but that car shit is just seriously fucked up[/QUOTE] I could handle him being a weirdo with a foot thing and perfectionism but this here is just terrifying. I hope he gets so much shit for it because it's dangerous.
This is pretty weird and heartbreaking, considering that Tarantino always called Uma Thurman her muse, they had a very solid friendship before and during the production of Kill Bill and they had a romantic relationship going on for several years after Kill Bill. [quote]Thurman says that in “Kill Bill,” Tarantino had done the honors with some of the sadistic flourishes himself, spitting in her face in the scene where Michael Madsen is seen on screen doing it and choking her with a chain in the scene where a teenager named Gogo is on screen doing it[/quote] My god. Is this the reason why Tarantino really strangled Diane Kruger? I always thought this was (as he claimed) because Waltz didn't do it right. [url]http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a172650/kruger-quentin-strangled-me-on-film/[/url]
Hearing about Tarantino being a complete asshole is so disappointing.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53105661]Hearing about Tarantino being a complete asshole is so disappointing.[/QUOTE] lol was that a surprise for you?
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;53105809]lol was that a surprise for you?[/QUOTE] Being disapointed ≠ being surprised. I don't think anybody is that surprised considering his persona. But it's disapointing to read how much he had 0 compassion for her after causing it. Honestly putting your actors in danger like that doesn't help making a good movie. It's completely unnecesary and must have hurt the movie in the end. Doing takes over and over driving the actors to exhaustion to get the perfect take is one thing. Putting them in unnecesary danger is another.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53105661]Hearing about Tarantino being a complete asshole is so disappointing.[/QUOTE] lol most interviews you see with him he seems like such a pretentious cunt
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;53105809]lol was that a surprise for you?[/QUOTE] Well its well known he's a dick. It's just he keeps finding new lows.
Quentin Tarantino should lose his job for things like this. He's a fucking madman. The only reason he's still working is because he's such a "great" director. I'd rather safe employees over a lunatic that makes okay movies. There are honestly way better directors in my opinion too. Guillermo Del Toro comes to mind, and he's a fantastic man who actually cares about his characters and employees.
I don't care how good of a director someone is, treating actors like shit should mean an automatic boot up the ass in professional cinematography.
Unfortunately there's a culture in the art world - especially cinema, where there's a lot of money going around - of indulging the sort of behaviour Tarantino exhibits because he's a flighty auteur with genuine talent, and the sort of art-blind executives who employ him have these romanticised notions of the Tortured Artiste and the perception that his methods are necessary to get the right artistic results. It happens in other media as well - I'm in the Traditional Art circle and artists tend to get away with a lot of shitty stuff because it's part of their 'process'.
His movies are overrated as shit anyway
[QUOTE=gary spivey;53107076]His movies are overrated as shit anyway[/QUOTE] Kill Bill is pretty enjoyable, his attempt at doing "historical" movies always felt so on the nose that they were embedded in the skull.
[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;53105893]lol most interviews you see with him he seems like such a pretentious cunt[/QUOTE] There's being a pretentious cunt in interviews and then there's being apathetic about someone's life. This is a new level, not "expected." Hell, Kanye West is starting to look like more of a celebrity role model lately.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;53107022]Unfortunately there's a culture in the art world - especially cinema, where there's a lot of money going around - of indulging the sort of behaviour Tarantino exhibits because he's a flighty auteur with genuine talent, and the sort of art-blind executives who employ him have these romanticised notions of the Tortured Artiste and the perception that his methods are necessary to get the right artistic results. It happens in other media as well - I'm in the Traditional Art circle and artists tend to get away with a lot of shitty stuff because it's part of their 'process'.[/QUOTE] there is instances of genuine filming of rape and still it's acceptable in hollywood. the culture of abuse was well established, that's why the small films will rise and the big ones will die a horrible death. at least that is the wish.
[QUOTE=DatHarry;53105391]any respect i had for tarantino destroyed tbh, it was obvious he was a bit of a weirdo since forever but that car shit is just seriously fucked up[/QUOTE] He [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html"]admitted[/URL] a while ago that he knew about Weinstein but decided not to do anything about it. I'm not really interested in seeing another Tarantino film.
Tarantino is an asshole, but I like his films. I wouldn't want to associate with him, but I can't deny the importance of his work. Can't wait for his next movie tbh.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53107560]He [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html"]admitted[/URL] a while ago that he knew about Weinstein but decided not to do anything about it. I'm not really interested in seeing another Tarantino film.[/QUOTE] I think you're misrepresenting the article a bit there. And whether Tarantino could've done more or not (should he just accuse Weinstein in public when the implicated women haven't and he has no evidence?), he wasn't complicit in this abuse - at least any more than many, many producers and directors from the last long time. Additionally, he seems genuinely remorseful. The incident with Uma Thurman described in the OP's article puts him in a way worse light than that article does, because he was directly implicated in that. Stop watching Tarantino movies if you want, but I don't think it's fair to out Quentin specifically for not speaking up, as if he's responsible for the whole industry.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;53107570]Tarantino is an asshole, but I like his films. I wouldn't want to associate with him, but I can't deny the importance of his work. Can't wait for his next movie tbh.[/QUOTE] I hate this kind of attitude when it comes to this kind of stuff because it just reeks of "well he hasnt done anything to me personally". This is the attitude that silences people from speaking up. He almost got Uma Thurman killed. She has permanant damage to her body because of him. I could not give a rats ass if you're the best director on the planet because if you put others in harms way you should not have your job and your work should be discredited. That's why people like Weinstein exist. They get away with stuff just because they're good at their job. Tarantino's career should be in the garbage and lesser directors would have been. He has a history of treating people like shit for the sake of his "vision".
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53107629]I think you're misrepresenting the article a bit there. And whether Tarantino could've done more or not (should he just accuse Weinstein in public when the implicated women haven't and he has no evidence?), he wasn't complicit in this abuse - at least any more than many, many producers and directors from the last long time. Additionally, he seems genuinely remorseful. [/QUOTE]That is what the women who came out had to do. The only evidence they had was their own testimonies. So he absolutely should have. He is complicit when he knows but does nothing to stop it or bring it to light. And so are the rest who knew but chose not to speak up. Just because the victims had yet to come out does not mean Tarantino can't call him out about it. Fuck if he had done it sooner, this could have been brought to light far in advance because he is a big name in the industry, that is someone that can give credence and power. Instead he simply kept quiet. And I'm sure a man like Tarantino totally feels bad about not taking the ample opportunities he had to speak up about it. [QUOTE]Stop watching Tarantino movies if you want, but I don't think it's fair to out Quentin specifically for not speaking up, as if he's responsible for the whole industry.[/QUOTE]He's not responsible for the industry, just his actions. Or in this case his inactions.
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