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The school district I work for just staged a MASSIVE walk-out in protest for tighter gun laws.
Heard the helicopter for the past couple hours showing the streams of kids going to downtown to protest.
There were some confederate flag tote-ers yelling at the kids for a stint there too.
Video of the kids walking to downtown (seriously impressive how many there were) in the link.
[url=http://kdvr.com/2018/02/27/students-walk-out-of-fort-collins-schools-to-protest-gun-laws/]Source...[/url]
i agree with protesting for tighter gun laws. Lord knows we don't live in the 1800s anymore.
But what about better mental health services? Why is no one also protesting that? Both factors should be handled...
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53164851]i agree with protesting for tighter gun laws. Lord knows we don't live in the 1800s anymore.
But what about better mental health services? Why is no one also protesting that? Both factors should be handled...[/QUOTE]
Either they protest for something which we know won't happen (better mental health) or something that [I]might[/I] not happen (better gun laws).
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53164851]i agree with protesting for tighter gun laws. Lord knows we don't live in the 1800s anymore.
But what about better mental health services? Why is no one also protesting that? Both factors should be handled...[/QUOTE]
im sick of the mental health meme
it's a factor for sure but stop passing the buck onto a much more complex issue when an easily solvable one exists
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53164880]Either they protest for something which we know won't happen (better mental health) or something that [I]might[/I] not happen (better gun laws).[/QUOTE]
Neither is going to happen.
yeah i agree we should just ban all guns
fuck rights and freedom
god if only our politicians would agree on this issue
its so easy how could they NOT know
we banned murder and heroin and thats gone forever too why can't it work with guns
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[QUOTE=Bomimo;53164851]i agree with protesting for tighter gun laws. Lord knows we don't live in the 1800s anymore.
But what about better mental health services? Why is no one also protesting that? Both factors should be handled...[/QUOTE]
they have, or did you not pay attention to the millions of angry protestors when they tried shredding the ACA which is basically the lifeblood of our mental health system today thanks to its coverage mandates
[QUOTE=remnar;53164938]yeah i agree we should just ban all guns
fuck rights and freedom
god if only our politicians would agree on this issue
its so easy how could they NOT know
we banned murder and heroin and thats gone forever too why can't it work with guns[/QUOTE]
guns arent seen as a right anywhere other than america idk why you attribute gun loss to something like a loss of a human right
Wonder how many of them are actually protesting and how many are taking a chance to get out of school
[QUOTE=Scot;53164920]it's a factor for sure but stop passing the buck onto a much more complex issue when an easily solvable one exists[/QUOTE]
I've come to figure that anyone who presents the gun debate as 'easily solvable', on either side, is demonstrating their own ignorance of just how complex it is rather than any enlightened grasp of the issue.
I'd like to see [i]both[/i] mental health and gun reform. And a lot more on top of those.
Fixing mental health problems and stopping corruption in places that allow red flags to go untreated is the only way to really fix these types school shootings other than looking at our gun laws.
Just banning guns won’t fix the world.
So here's my piece, and you can rate me boxes if you disagree.
I own guns, I like my guns. I'd like to own an ar-15 in the future, and have many friend who currently do.
I would like to see a better system for gun ownership, not revoking arms, but making it a net with smaller holes to pass through.
Come on, if the TSA can grope my balls at an airport, but I can buy a gun in a day with a couple easy to pass questions, something is wrong.
I wouldn't mind a more intensive background check and a waiting period paired with mandatory class work like hunters safety or something.
If you're in a hurry to get your guns same day, you need to plan better and be more patient.
Yes, I realize this won't by any means stop all the nut jobs that shoot people up, yes I realize that it may or may not slow shootings, but fuck man, it's a start.
Heck, even just updating the background check lists would help tremendously!
Talking to some of the kids out in the district when I'm doing field work, they just want to be safe.
They want more school resource officers, they want better lockdown systems, but lots of school districts allocate money to frivolous stuff instead of "damn, wish we'd had that" measures.
I'm not left, I'm not right, I'm just somebody with logical reasoning.
[QUOTE=remnar;53164938]we banned murder and heroin and thats gone forever too why can't it work with guns[/QUOTE]
Is this a dril tweet?
[QUOTE=catbarf;53164980]I've come to figure that anyone who presents the gun debate as 'easily solvable', on either side, is demonstrating their own ignorance of just how complex it is rather than any enlightened grasp of the issue.
I'd like to see [i]both[/i] mental health and gun reform. And a lot more on top of those.[/QUOTE]
The solution is literally right in front of us, at least it seems obvious to me: Universal healthcare and a constitutionally protected licensing process. You're just not thinking outside the anti-gun-control box I think.
[QUOTE=Sableye;53164943]they have, or did you not pay attention to the millions of angry protestors when they tried shredding the ACA which is basically the lifeblood of our mental health system today thanks to its coverage mandates[/QUOTE]
All i see is the American leadership wearing its corruption as if it's a badge... and nothing tangible is being done about it. It just goes from top to bottom and it's more obvious than ever. The Status Quo is just not remotely acceptable anymore. From Gerrymandering, to the all-out open warfare on teenagers. The problem is a huge fucking spectrum and it's all related.
[editline]27th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53164880]Either they protest for something which we know won't happen (better mental health) or something that [I]might[/I] not happen (better gun laws).[/QUOTE]
You're over-simplifying the issue and you should be ashamed of yourself.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53164951]Wonder how many of them are actually protesting and how many are taking a chance to get out of school[/QUOTE]
Young people dont turn out to polls = wow what a lazy and apathetic generation
Young people take the streets to protest something the older generations are doing nothing about = wow i bet they are just doing because (it gets them out of school, they wanna be cool, fill in the blank bullshit reason here)
Maybe if people didnt have such negative and apathetic attitudes towards young people change could actually happen in our society...
i don't personally mind tighter ownership requirements. what i do mind are restrictions on types of firearms or firearm parts. go ahead and put in place a licensing system, but don't ban the AR-15 because it looks like what the military uses more than a Mini-14.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;53165097]i don't personally mind tighter ownership requirements. what i do mind are restrictions on types of firearms or firearm parts. go ahead and put in place a licensing system, but don't ban the AR-15 because it looks like what the military uses more than a Mini-14.[/QUOTE]
In a good world a licensing system would not need to ban ANY firearm types or accessories, they would just need harsher requirements or training. Such a proposal should be the dream for gun owners, they can own whatever they want, but they just have to earn it.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;53165089]Young people dont turn out to polls = wow what a lazy and apathetic generation
Young people take the streets to protest something the older generations are doing nothing about = wow i bet they are just doing because (it gets them out of school, they wanna be cool, fill in the blank bullshit reason here)
Maybe if people didnt have such negative and apathetic attitudes towards young people change could actually happen in our society...[/QUOTE]
There is a time and a place for protest. Kids have plenty of time to protest outside of school. You might argue leaving school is more "impactful," I would argue education is important and the protest can wait until classes are over.
Should people be allowed to skip shifts at work to protest and have zero repercussions?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165127]There is a time and a place for protest. Kids have plenty of time to protest outside of school. You might argue leaving school is more "impactful," I would argue education is important and the protest can wait until classes are over.
Should people be allowed to skip shifts at work to protest and have zero repercussions?[/QUOTE]
So when is the time and place, when no one cares that you're doing it? The whole point of protesting is to make the opponents WANT to change because of the damage your inaction will cause.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53165134]So when is the time and place, when no one cares that you're doing it? The whole point of protesting is to make the opponents WANT to change because of the damage your inaction will cause.[/QUOTE]
If you're skipping out on your education, the only damage you're causing is to yourself.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165142]If you're skipping out on your education, the only damage you're causing is to yourself.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you know the state of America's public schools...Anyway, that's not true. Blocking up streets, making your teachers lose time, and even schools lose money for lack of attendance.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53165147]I don't think you know the state of America's public schools...Anyway, that's not true.[/QUOTE]
As shitty as they are, they aren't valueless. You have plenty of time in the afternoon/evening or on weekends to assemble an organized protest that does not fuck over your education.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165142]If you're skipping out on your education, the only damage you're causing is to yourself.[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, lower test scores hurt schools anyway. So you're just plain wrong here.
Why not look at the reason why these students feel the need to protest instead of shaming them like a grandpa because they're "skipping school"?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165142]If you're skipping out on your education, the only damage you're causing is to yourself.[/QUOTE]
And youre potentially causing a lot of good in the process. Besides, education isnt about the individual, its about society. School should prepare you to be an adult and a valuable member of society. Missing some math problems that day to go speak out for the betterment of your society honestly sounds like the best idea for an educational field trip there is, especially on the tail end of black history month where theyve surely been learning about this exact form of social engagement
So please explain to me exactly why protests by students [I]have[/I] to happen during school hours, and you can't have access to both education and opportunity to protest by doing so in your free time outside of school hours? It's not an either/or situation by any means. If truancy truly has an effect on the school budget, then protesting during school hours will reduce the budget and in effect make education in America less effective, which is a net negative for society, and I can't see how you can advocate for that in good faith.
Everyone has a right to protest, but you would be stupid to shoot yourself in the foot first. I don't want to dissuade students from protesting at all, in fact I want to encourage it - but it has to be done right. If it affects anything, it should [I]not[/I] affect your future.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165190]So please explain to me exactly why protests by students [I]have[/I] to happen during school hours, and you can't have access to both education and opportunity to protest by doing so in your free time outside of school hours? It's not an either/or situation by any means. If truancy truly has an effect on the school budget, then protesting during school hours will reduce the budget and in effect make education in America less effective, which is a net negative for society, and I can't see how you can advocate for that by any means.
Everyone has a right to protest, but you would be stupid to shoot yourself in the foot first. I don't want to dissuade students from protesting at all, in fact I want to encourage it - but it has to be done right. If it affects anything, it should [I]not[/I] affect your future.[/QUOTE]
This article would not be news if a bunch of kids just decided to walk around yelling about how much they hate guns. This article is in the news because they skipped class, causing damage to society. This is what protests ARE, they are hard to ignore and pack a punch. I'm sorry you think that a day or so of school is worth sitting complacent as you see a serious problem before you.
[editline]27th February 2018[/editline]
If it's so damaging to the kids then why not push for legislators to DO SOMETHING instead of blaming the kids for being politically active? Like I said, just like a grandpa.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53165196]This article would not be news if a bunch of kids just decided to walk around yelling about how much they hate guns. This article is in the news because they skipped class, causing damage to society. This is what protests ARE, they are hard to ignore and pack a punch. I'm sorry you think that a day or so of school is worth sitting complacent as you see a serious problem before you.[/QUOTE]
How do you know it would not have an impact if they did not leave classes? How do you know I am complacent about this problem? You argument is disingenuous.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53164851]i agree with protesting for tighter gun laws. Lord knows we don't live in the 1800s anymore.
But what about better mental health services? Why is no one also protesting that? Both factors should be handled...[/QUOTE]
People hide their mental health status. It isn't as easy to monitor or give assistance to as you may think. People bring up motive a lot when it comes to mass shootings, but imo motive is arbitrary. It varies so much from person to person that it really makes no sense to try and use that as an effective way to reduce these shootings.
The problem isn't guns, and the problem isn't crazy people. The problem is crazy people [i]with[/i] guns.
Can we reduce the amount of crazy people? Not effectively.
Can we reduce readily available guns? Yes.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to have better mental health assistance available, I just think it's ridiculous to talk about that in concordance with reducing these mass/school shootings.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;53165200]How do you know it would not have an impact if they did not leave classes? How do you know I am complacent about this problem? You argument is disingenuous.[/QUOTE]
I like to think there ARE some kids walking around after hours doing some protests, SOMEWHERE that must be happening, right? I'm not hearing about it.
[editline]27th February 2018[/editline]
And all I'm hearing from you, which is why I think it's complacency, is "oh no let's not protest when it means the most, we gotta respect the system!"
[editline]27th February 2018[/editline]
I mean think about it, you're taking all this time to discuss how damaging it is they walk out, but seemingly miss that THAT is the point. They want people to talk about and notice the impact the inaction on legislation is having, and if people should just keep going on living their lives as normal while NOTHING is being done by politicians, then THAT [B]IS[/B] [B][I]COMPLACENCY[/I][/B].
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