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[quote]A five-year-old English-speaking girl was reportedly forced to live in Muslim foster homes where her carers wore the niqab and allegedly told her to learn Arabic. The child was looked after by two different Muslim households in the last six months after being placed into foster care in Tower Hamlets, east London, The Times reported. A social services supervisor described the girl as crying and begging not to be sent back to the foster carer's home because "they don't speak English," according to confidential local authority reports seen by the newspaper. It added the girl told the supervisor the foster carer had removed her Christian cross necklace and not allowed her to eat carbonara, her favourite meal given to her by her mother, because it contained bacon. She is also said to have told her mother Christmas and Easter "are stupid" and European women are "stupid and alcoholic." The supervisor described the girl as "very distressed" in reports. ... The two placements were made by the Tower Hamlets borough council against the wishes of the girl's family. Local authorities are supposed to consider a child's religion, racial origin and cultural and linguistic background when making decisions about foster care. The girl's mother was said to be horrified by the ordeal, with a friend telling the newspaper: “This is a five-year-old white girl. She was born in this country, speaks English as her first language, loves football, holds a British passport and was christened in a church. “She’s already suffered the huge trauma of being forcibly separated from her family. She needs surroundings in which she’ll feel secure and loved. Instead, she’s trapped in a world where everything feels foreign and unfamiliar. That’s really scary for a young child.” Tower Hamlets borough council did not respond to requests for comment. [/quote] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/christian-girl-5-sent-to-muslim-foster-parents-speak-english-arabic-tower-hamlets-london-a7916071.html[/url] Original source *Paywall*: [url]https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/christian-child-forced-into-muslim-foster-care-by-tower-hamlets-council-3gcp6l8cs[/url] I honestly can't believe how messed up that situation is for a child to experience. To not only be removed from her parents (hopefully for good reason in this case), but put into a completely different environment and told to change fundamental values. People can practice what they want at home, but if you are going to be a foster parent, maybe don't try to convert/assimilate a kid like that. If the optics were different and the roles reversed, with a muslim kid being forced to change their beliefs, it is plain as day how horrible that is. [b]-UPDATE-[/b] [quote][B]The paper reported the girl had "sobbed and begged" not to return to the family because "they don't speak English". She also allegedly told her biological mother that "Christmas and Easter are stupid" and "European women are stupid and alcoholic". However, Tower Hamlets Council - which investigated the claims - said the allegations were unsubstantiated and the girl did not know what Europe was.[/B] A report by a senior social worker said the child had "expressed no negative views about Christmas, Easter or any religious festival" when questioned. The five-year-old is currently living with her maternal grandmother, who the council said was "distressed and angered" by the "false" allegations against the foster carers. "She has a good relationship with the carers and is grateful for the excellent care she says that they have provided to the child," the report added. Lawyers for the child's mother agreed the social worker's findings were "an accurate representation of the outcome of the council's investigation," a Tower Hamlets spokesman added. [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41833590[/url] Extremely horrible how unsubstantiated this all turned out to be in a 180 turn that could have been resolved had the first reports done heavier digging. It is incredibly important that I update the OP on this and that people see why further verification and redaction is important.

Can 5 year olds legitimately be described as one religion or another? 5 year olds dont really believe anything. I think overtly religious people should be barred from being foster parents if they act like this. Christian, Muslim, etc. if you take in a kid you should have to treat them secularly since they're not [B]your[/B] child and avoid talking about religion to them.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52622280]Can 5 year olds legitimately be described as one religion or another? 5 year olds dont reallt believe anything[/QUOTE] If you live 5 years under a standard Christian family it is going to be a lot different to a standard Muslim family. Just basic values and ways of seeing the world. Too big of a shock for such a young person. [QUOTE]A social services supervisor described the girl as [B]crying and begging not to be sent back to the foster carer's home because "they don't speak English,"[/B] according to confidential local authority reports seen by the newspaper. It added the girl told the supervisor the foster[B] carer had removed her Christian cross necklace[/B] and [B]not allowed her to eat carbonara, her favourite meal[/B] given to her by her mother, because it contained bacon. [B]She is also said to have told her mother Christmas and Easter "are stupid" and European women are "stupid and alcoholic."[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52622280]Can 5 year olds legitimately be described as one religion or another? 5 year olds dont reallt believe anything[/QUOTE] Avatar fits. That's not really what it's about here. It's more to do with the fact that the child speaks English and was thrown into a home where the main language is Arabic. Five-year-olds don't make for good foreign exchange students, and definitely not international fosters.

I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with this, I just find it interesting to emphasize a 5 year old girls supposed beliefs in the headline when 5 year olds are incapable of coming to a conclusion on something as abstract as god on their own. I think, as I edited above, that very religious people of any religion should be barred from being foster parents, and that foster parents should be held to a higher standard than this. If you're going to enforce your culture on someone else and refuse to let them be who they are, you have no business as a foster parent (let alone as a regular parent)

This is just a failure on the councils part for being bad at doing their job. This doesn't appear to be something that happens regularly so it'll probably be sorted out shortly. This shouldn't have happened to begin with though. Also... [quote]She is also said to have told her mother Christmas and Easter "are stupid"...[/quote] ...these two things are great even without the religious connotation. I mean, who doesn't like chocolate and presents?

[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;52622292]This is just a failure on the councils part for being bad at doing their job. This doesn't appear to be something that happens regularly so it'll probably be sorted out shortly. [/QUOTE] Not much to go on, but this was the second muslim foster home the girl was sent to. So not to say your wrong or I am right, but we don't know how frequent of an occurrence this is. We just know that it can happen twice in a row.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52622300]Not much to go on, but this was the second muslim foster home the girl was sent to. So not to say your wrong or I am right, but we don't know how frequent of an occurrence this is. We just know that it can happen twice in a row.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be the first time local councils in London have let people down and it won't be the last. They're a joke at this point.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52622291]I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with this, I just find it interesting to emphasize a 5 year old girls supposed beliefs in the headline when 5 year olds are incapable of coming to a conclusion on something as abstract as god on their own. I think, as I edited above, that very religious people of any religion should be barred from being foster parents, and that foster parents should be held to a higher standard than this. If you're going to enforce your culture on someone else and refuse to let them be who they are, you have no business as a foster parent (let alone as a regular parent)[/QUOTE] The parents don't even need to be full-on fanatically religious, it's just that people raised in Islamic countries have very different cultural standards than those raised in Christian ones. The parents don't need to tell the girl a single thing about Allah, but their ways of living are still [I]way[/I] too different to make it okay for them to raise her after she's gotten used to her previous ways of living. All it takes to understand is reading the OP and seeing that the girl is[I] crying [/I]because the foster parents force her to speak Arabic instead of English. That has nothing to do with religion.

How fucking moronic of the council. They probably thought it sounded great on paper because of "diversity"

[QUOTE] She is also said to have told her mother Christmas and Easter "are stupid" and European women are "stupid and alcoholic."[/QUOTE] People like these should be sent back to their original countries tbh. Like how hard is it to be respectful towards the culture of the country that took your sorry ass in?

[QUOTE=dunkace;52622329]How fucking moronic of the council. They probably thought it sounded great on paper because of "diversity"[/QUOTE] This is definitely a well-founded assumption and not just spurious speculation.

[QUOTE=Bordellimies;52622321]The parents don't even need to be full-on fanatically religious, it's just that people raised in Islamic countries have very different cultural standards than those raised in Christian ones. The parents don't need to tell the girl a single thing about Allah, but their ways of living are still [I]way[/I] too different to make it okay for them to raise her after she's gotten used to her previous ways of living. All it takes to understand is reading the OP and seeing that the girl is[I] crying [/I]because the foster parents force her to speak Arabic instead of English. That has nothing to do with religion.[/QUOTE] It's not about what you believe, it's about your willingness to impose those beliefs on other people. It's fine for a muslim family to take in a foster child, but not to force her to follow those beliefs, just like I wouldn't want a christian family to force their beliefs onto a Jewish child. Just because someone is a Muslim doesn't make them a fanatic. I know plenty of Muslims who drink and fuck and have tattoos and dont give a shit about the contradiction, much like most Christians I've ever met.

[QUOTE=Thomo;52622368]Child safety and care in this country is abhorrent in all honesty. I'm in my mind to say the council didn't give a shit and just wanted another person off their books and hoped it'd work out okay.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a pretty shit state of affairs. Then you get cases like Baby P and all of a sudden they scramble and rush to look like they're actually doing something and often it screws over other people in the process - I've known a few people who have had social services sticking their noses in and causing unnecessary hassle over nothing, to the point they're nervous about doing anything for fear of having their families disrupted. Why these people were even considered eligible to foster children in the first place is beyind me.

[QUOTE=dunkace;52622329]How fucking moronic of the council. They probably thought it sounded great on paper because of "diversity"[/QUOTE] Or they're just bad at their job and didn't investigate or think twice. Shitty councils aren't exclusive to London and arguably they get a whole lot worse up north.

They're not a very good muslims. [quote]The Quran in 19 verses forbids harsh and oppressive treatment of orphaned children while urging kindness and justice towards them[/quote]

I think the real issue here is that the foster family was teaching hatred to the children, rather than tolerance and acceptance. It also doesn't help when you speak a completely different language to the native speakers of the place where you live. It wouldn't matter (to me anyway) if the foster family was a bunch of Black Buddhists and the child was a White Catholic, so long as the foster family is supportive of the child's beliefs, and teaches them love and acceptance over hate and prejudice, I don't see the problem. [editline]28th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragekipz;52622453]They're not a very good muslims. "The Quran in 19 verses forbids harsh and oppressive treatment of orphaned children while urging kindness and justice towards them."[/QUOTE] So if they practiced what their religious book preaches then they would've been fine foster parents, that always seems to be the case in these situations.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52622355]This is definitely a well-founded assumption and not just spurious speculation.[/QUOTE] so why are we dumb bombing this? the council definitely fucked up, but the whole IT'S CAUSE OF PC CULTURE AND DIVERSITY spin is based off literally nothing

This is wrong on many levels. Also, who at that orphanage has been saying European women are stupid and alcoholic to fucking children.

[QUOTE=Camdude90;52623224]so why are we dumb bombing this? the council definitely fucked up, but the whole IT'S CAUSE OF PC CULTURE AND DIVERSITY spin is based off literally nothing[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it's based off of literally nothing. There are a lot of "because diversity" things going on in various places in the world. It's not totally unreasonable to assume this is also one of those things.

Why would the family accept the child if it wasn't aligned with their religious beliefs and lifestyles? benefits?

Dont know if this is really a thing about Muslims or Islam. I think this goes to show how stupid religion can be and how negative it effects the mindset of young children and youth if its jammed down their throats. Since i've seen this shit with Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and a fuck ton of other religions on the news before.

If any foster home assessment had actually taken place they'd have known the foster parents weren't suitable. Social services is a fucking sham job at this point. Rip it out and start again.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52623264]Dont know if this is really a thing about Muslims or Islam. I think this goes to show how stupid religion can be and how negative it effects the mindset of young children and youth if its jammed down their throats. Since i've seen this shit with Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and a fuck ton of other religions on the news before.[/QUOTE] TBH the religion of either side isn't even a big issue. It's the fact that The foster parents are not accommodating the child and that social services don't see that as a problem.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;52622453]They're not a very good muslims. "The Quran in 19 verses forbids harsh and oppressive treatment of orphaned children while urging kindness and justice towards them"[/QUOTE] Not to be nitpicky but her parents didn't abandon her or are dead, so technically not an orphan. I'm not sure if the Quran includes foster children which were taken from their parents by a court. None of it should matter though, there are probably some good muslim foster families right now taking good care of foster children. Either way, the responsible authorities should take more care, even if I'm not directly against muslim foster families it would be indeed too much of a change for your typical western child to adapt unless that family has adapted quite a bit already them self.

[QUOTE=dunkace;52622329]How fucking moronic of the council. They probably thought it sounded great on paper because of "diversity"[/QUOTE] Child care in this country has left something to be desired for some time. I'm hard pressed to believe that the council had any real noble intentions as opposed to just not really giving a shit.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52623255]I wouldn't say it's based off of literally nothing. There are a lot of "because diversity" things going on in various places in the world. It's not totally unreasonable to assume this is also one of those things.[/QUOTE] not nearly enough to make this suddenly not a massive assumption, sorry there's a trend in the world but until we get more info it's basically just conservative agenda pushing to start blaming diversity or something

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;52623255]I wouldn't say it's based off of literally nothing. There are a lot of "because diversity" things going on in various places in the world. It's not totally unreasonable to assume this is also one of those things.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. First of all, I'd say you're wrong on the "Because diversity" thing being prevalent - it might happen once in a while, but it's definitely not prevalent. And going by Occam's razor, isn't it simply more likely that this girl needed a foster home, and this family came forward? Even in a well-run system you'll have fuck ups (either out of negligence or simply because there's never full information), which is why foster kids end up with abusive parents and the like - but we don't immediately assume that those councils just enjoy seeing kids abused, do we?

[QUOTE=Camdude90;52623976]not nearly enough to make this suddenly not a massive assumption, sorry there's a trend in the world but until we get more info it's basically just conservative agenda pushing to start blaming diversity or something[/QUOTE] His speculation is silly but its also another silly assumption that it's conservative agenda pushing.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52622265]If the optics were different and the roles reversed, with a muslim kid being forced to change their beliefs, it is plain as day how horrible that is.[/QUOTE] why are you implying that people need to be taught that this is a bad thing using muslims as an example? i don't think this forum is THAT far left. [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Bordellimies;52622321]The parents don't even need to be full-on fanatically religious, it's just that people raised in Islamic countries have very different cultural standards than those raised in Christian ones. The parents don't need to tell the girl a single thing about Allah, but their ways of living are still [I]way[/I] too different to make it okay for them to raise her after she's gotten used to her previous ways of living. All it takes to understand is reading the OP and seeing that the girl is[I] crying [/I]because the foster parents force her to speak Arabic instead of English. [B][I]That has nothing to do with religion.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]It added the girl told the supervisor the foster carer had removed her Christian cross necklace and not allowed her to eat carbonara, her favourite meal given to her by her mother, because it contained bacon. [/QUOTE] if you would read you would find that this has a lot to do with the muslim religion.