Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Students as young as in Year 5 are making the threats and pressuring peers into reading the Koran at Punchbowl Public School in Sydney's southwest, the Daily Telegraph has reported. Documents given to the newspaper reportedly reveal that at least three staff members have taken stress leave, received counselling and been paid compensation after bullying from Islamic students. One woman reportedly claimed it all got too much for her and she eventually had to quit her job. She said the final straw was when she received death threats to her family from her year 5 and 6 students, with some saying they would behead her. Prior to that she claimed she made a number of complaints in 2014 about some of the behaviour in her classroom. She said she was abused by students when she stopped them from hanging a Syrian flag in the classroom. The woman also said she was pushed into a corner by several students who then began marching around her chanting the Koran. Many of the students also reportedly spoke of family members fighting in the war in Syria and pupils would walk out mid-way through a lesson to go and pray. The woman also reported an instance of bullying during which students would say to that the child being targeted had "betrayed his religion" by "not going to Muslim scripture". She said in an earlier incident a "group of boys had stood around a girl and called her horrible names like dog". News Corp reports that the woman said her complaints to the NSW Department of Education were simply dismissed. A spokeswoman for the Education Department did not deny that teachers at the school had been given compensation. However, she said the department was not aware of any religious-related violence at the school. “All NSW schools must immediately report all concerns of anti-social and extremist behaviour in NSW schools to a dedicated hotline,” she said to News Corp.[/quote] Video in link: [url]https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/34663197/punchbowl-primary-school-teacher-says-year-5-students-threatened-to-behead-her-kill-her-family/#page1[/url] May have a Paywall: [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/primary-school-pupils-show-signs-of-extremist-ideology-teachers-claim/news-story/6a268199a8f626fa1978aa6b5ddc1f51[/url] Apparently this school system has had some problems lately and from earlier. [quote]Police community liaison officers have been unable to access •Punchbowl Boys High School for the past 2½ years, despite its well-known violent history and concerns that some of the largely Muslim student population could be at risk of radicalisation. The NSW Department of Education, which removed school principal Chris Griffiths and deputy principal Joumana Dennaoui this week, is understood to have received multiple serious complaints from staff throughout last year, prompting an extensive investigation. It yesterday confirmed that Robert Patruno, who most •recently headed the education unit inside Reiby Juvenile Justice Centre in Sydney, would •assume the role of principal. Mr Patruno is a former head teacher at Punchbowl, in Sydney’s southwest. Fresh details about the level of dysfunction at the state-•funded boys school are starting to emerge, including claims that management had developed an openly hostile relationship with police, including local school •liaison officers, who were once actively involved with the school, visiting frequently for student workshops, to conduct mentoring and take part in award presentations. The Weekend Australian has been told that a senior staff member was known to refer to police as “pigs” and had •encouraged students to film police on their phones if they were ever •approached. There have been several allegations of non-Muslim staff being subjected to verbal attacks, •including threats of beheading, from Muslim students claiming to be Islamic State sympathisers. It is understood these allegations were not reported to the police. Disunity on campus is understood to have come to a head in December when female staff were excluded from the school’s annual presentation day. The Weekend Australian has also been told that the Education Department, which is headed by former ABC managing director Mark Scott, wanted to look at •implementing a deradicalisation program at the school but had struggled to gain the co-operation of the school’s leadership. While a department spokesman said yesterday the investi•gation was “not a security review or a review into social cohesion”, he refused to comment specifically on whether the school was considered a candidate for deradicalisation programs or additional support for vulnerable students. “Following matters raised … by a number of Punchbowl Boys High School staff, senior department officers attended the school on multiple occasions in 2016 to inquire into aspects of the school’s operations,” the spokesman said. “These inquiries resulted in the department conducting an extensive appraisal of the school’s policies, procedures and management during the first weeks of the 2017 school year. The appraisal revealed a high level of staff disunity and disharmony, plus increased disengagement of the school from its local community.”[/quote] [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/punchbowl-school-hostile-to-police-help/news-story/b41b4e1c1dd9205d19162836c2173179[/url]

that is evil

Where would kids that age even get that kind of aggressive attitude from? edit: read it as 5 years old, not year 5. Year 5 is about 10-11 years old.

How old are "year 5 students" for reference? That behaviour sounds illegal if not criminal

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[QUOTE=Talishmar;51968847]How old are "year 5 students" for reference? That behaviour sounds illegal if not criminal[/QUOTE] Between 10-11 years old

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51968843]Where would kids that age even get that kind of aggressive attitude from? edit: read it as 5 years old, not year 5. Year 5 is about 10-11 years old.[/QUOTE] A mix of extremely poor parenting and psychological damage early in their lives.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;51968847]How old are "year 5 students" for reference? That behaviour sounds illegal if not criminal[/QUOTE] 9/10/11 depending on the country I think

Says in the Yahoo source about family members fighting in Syria. Guess these kids are refugees who have fled the fighting with their families. So, abnormal upbringing in that case. Outside of that, shitty radical parents, or some whacko Wahhabi imam teaching them violence would be my guesses.

I think it might be a good idea to nip em in the bud right now before things get any worse.

[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51968863]Says in the Yahoo source about family members fighting in Syria. Guess these kids are refugees who have fled the fighting with their families. So, abnormal upbringing in that case. Outside of that, shitty radical parents, or some whacko Wahhabi imam teaching them violence would be my guesses.[/QUOTE] If its a group of kids then its possible it could be a gang like behaviour - for identity, power and a sense of belonging. Depending on their parents attitude to this (ie if parents do not condemn it or are not genuinely surprised) it might be worth investigating potential fundamentalist teachings either at home or the local mosque (ie if all of the kids believe radical shit then it has to have come from somewhere, either parent or mosque) Unless they're emulating what they see on tv....

I don't want to sound bigoted but going to public schools in a poor area myself I thought at the time that Muslim kids were the absolute worst, they were always very keen to start shit with anybody outside of their circles & religion. All throughout primary and high-school if I'm honest I didn't like them. But I do understand now I think part of the reason why things were so animus between them and the other kids was a vicious cycle of being stigmatized by the other students for having different beliefs and in turn becoming more hateful towards them because of the feeling of being outcast. And I can see now that me and my mates definitely bullied them a bit and didn't help break the cycle.

Holy shit is any of this actually real? I'm reading it but not believing it.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51968895]Holy shit is any of this actually real? I'm reading it but not believing it.[/QUOTE] There's psycho kids who have killed their teachers or other school staff before, if anything this is a step down. Key thing is to nip it in the bud before it gets to that stage.

Well, what else did you expect from followers of such an evil religion? These children were indoctrinated to believe in a horribly violent and disgusting religion; a religion that teaches that a thief's hand has to be cut off, or that a woman's brain is less developed than a man's brain, or that women are the property of their husbands, and so many more horrible, violent, disturbing and cruel teachings; so really, what did you expect? You don't even have to read the Qur'an to know how bad it is, but I encourage you to read it and the popular Hadith; you will then know for sure that it is truly evil. Here's a good place to start: skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/ [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Novangel))[/highlight]

if anyone did this at my school they'd have gotten expelled in an instant (and have)

[QUOTE=mchapra;51968908]if anyone did this at my school they'd have gotten expelled in an instant (and have)[/QUOTE] Probably a bad idea, tbh, since it means their only exposure will be to radical fundamentalism at home. At least allowing them to still come to school allows someone (and clearly someone needs to be appointed to do so) to teach them that the Koran is not to be read so literally.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;51968967]Probably a bad idea, tbh, since it means their only exposure will be to radical fundamentalism at home. At least allowing them to still come to school allows someone (and clearly someone needs to be appointed to do so) to teach them that the Koran is not to be read so literally.[/QUOTE] Probably yeah, but afaik all the schools I went to had a strict "do this and we will suspend you/expell you" approach to scenarios like this so I thought that was the case in every school (Went to school in Texas and Pakistan).

[QUOTE=Slim Charles;51968877]I don't want to sound bigoted but going to public schools in a poor area myself I thought at the time that Muslim kids were the absolute worst, they were always very keen to start shit with anybody outside of their circles & religion. All throughout primary and high-school if I'm honest I didn't like them. But I do understand now I think part of the reason why things were so animus between them and the other kids was a vicious cycle of being stigmatized by the other students for having different beliefs and in turn becoming more hateful towards them because of the feeling of being outcast. And I can see now that me and my mates definitely bullied them a bit and didn't help break the cycle.[/QUOTE] it also happens when the family is extremely conservative to the point that they give their children no outlets for anything. that they must "internalize their struggles for the lord and savior" or something. I dont believe we should deeply throw children who arent aware of the world yet into religion, they should make the choice when they are older. [QUOTE=PulseFrog;51968903]Well, what else did you expect from followers of such an evil religion? These children were indoctrinated to believe in a horribly violent and disgusting religion; a religion that teaches that a thief's hand has to be cut off, or that a woman's brain is less developed than a man's brain, or that women are the property of their husbands, and so many more horrible, violent, disturbing and cruel teachings; so really, what did you expect? You don't even have to read the Qur'an to know how bad it is, but I encourage you to read it and the popular Hadith; you will then know for sure that it is truly evil. Here's a good place to start: skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/[/QUOTE] do we have to do this in every thread? congrats, you discovered that the quran has some messed up sections. so does every other religious book out there. Yet, you will find that not all christians/muslims/jews follow all the "awful" parts of their book. Why? because those people live in a modern society that teaches respect, so you will find many "religious followers" deciding to ignore the darker parts. this is a problem all religions (or any form of ideal, really), when they are brought to their extremes and to their most literal sense. It will not be solved by condemnation, but rather through education and fixing of the socioeconomic conditions these people often find themselves in. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Craigewan;51968967]Probably a bad idea, tbh, since it means their only exposure will be to radical fundamentalism at home. At least allowing them to still come to school allows someone (and clearly someone needs to be appointed to do so) to teach them that the Koran is not to be read so literally.[/QUOTE] admitably thats easier said than done.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;51968967]Probably a bad idea, tbh, since it means their only exposure will be to radical fundamentalism at home. At least allowing them to still come to school allows someone (and clearly someone needs to be appointed to do so) to teach them that the Koran is not to be read so literally.[/QUOTE] The teachers can't handle it if they stay in class though, often even with help. It's just plain impossible to deal with teaching and a potentially violent student at the same time for the vast majority of people, even in younger grades. Here in Germany it's sometimes difficult to escalate severe issues with pupils (usually because someone relatively low in the chain of command doesn't do their job properly; It's possible to go past them though in such a case, but not all teachers do it.), so while I don't know a lot about the education system in [del]the US[/del] Australia, I can definitely see why someone would have to quit over these kinds of incidents.

These sorts of students need counseling and only brief exposure in general education classrooms for a start. It's difficult to just toss them in with the rest of the student population and expect them to assimilate to appropriate social norms. There has to be a process to it rather than just chucking them in and hoping for the best.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51969085]The teachers can't handle it if they stay in class though, often even with help. It's just plain impossible to deal with teaching and a potentially violent student at the same time for the vast majority of people, even in younger grades. Here in Germany it's sometimes difficult to escalate severe issues with pupils (usually because someone relatively low in the chain of command doesn't do their job properly; It's possible to go past them though in such a case, but not all teachers do it.), so while I don't know a lot about the education system in the US, I can definitely see why someone would have to quit over these kinds of incidents.[/QUOTE] It's in Australia. I suspect if this were taking place in the US it would never have got to this stage.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;51969105]It's in Australia. I suspect if this were taking place in the US it would never have got to this stage.[/QUOTE] Whoops. I was making an assumption because Tudd posted it, but I guess he scrapes this stuff up from all over the planet. That explains some things though, so thanks for the correction. [editline]edit[/editline] Just to be clear: I really dislike the US's stance on stuff like this too. Kicking people out of the system that quickly is only going to lead to far more problems in the future. You need actual investment into the future of students that cause problems to solve anything in situations like these. I just don't think anyone should expect the normal teachers to deal with them. Teaching is a stupidly difficult and hard job in the first place, so I really dislike it when someone implies the teachers should somehow also handle protecting themselves and their students if some of the students engaged in violence or even 'just' severe bullying previously. (I'm somewhat closer to this situation than most people, which is why I have a relatively strong stance on it.)

Kids seem to get worse and worse I hate to use this argument, but the last time I was in school nobody was shouting vulgarities all the time. Except Jason Fuck Jason

[QUOTE=shian;51969133]Kids seem to get worse and worse I hate to use this argument, but the last time I was in school nobody was shouting vulgarities all the time. Except Jason Fuck Jason[/QUOTE] i blame the internet

[QUOTE=shian;51969133]Kids seem to get worse and worse I hate to use this argument, but the last time I was in school nobody was shouting vulgarities all the time. Except Jason Fuck Jason[/QUOTE] You think that because the internet has made it more visible. It's like thinking terror or violence has overtaken the world when really we are able to hear about it more easily thanks to mass communication through the internet. Kids have always had a collective, survival of the fittest mentality because they want to belong or not be singled out and those who don't conform to what is expected can and will get bullied, like in my experience and is pointed out in this thread and article. Children are little monsters until the world smacks them across the face and says that shit wont be tolerated. They aren't born with a moral compass or know right from wrong, or to just to accept themselves for being different.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51969241]Just like Sweden, if a story serves a narrative well, there are no geographic limitations.[/QUOTE] This goes on even in Estonia lol, refugee/immigrant (muslim) kids bullying others and their parents bossing schools around.  «Meie koolil on konkreetsed reeglid ning vanemad isegi kippusid koolile endi tingimusi seadma ja meid dikteerima,» Translation: "Our school has concrete rules, but their parents used to set conditions and dictate rules to us" - principal of the school [url]http://tartu.postimees.ee/4023985/poole-aasta-jooksul-on-tartust-lahkunud-kolm-pagulasperet[/url] You can google translate the entire article, most of it is off-topic, but still interesting (about integration, we don't have a lot of PC culture here, we tell it as it is) Will try to find the article about bullying as well. I have interacted with some muslims and one said that they find it hilarious how the left defends and protects them, while if they knew them more closely they would absolutely despise the majority of them as individuals.

Bring back corporal punishment in schools, a hard paddle would set these boys straight. TBH most schools in the world would be much better places if there were actual and immediate concequences to acting like a shithead rather than just suspension which are basically vacation days.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969541]Bring back corporal punishment in schools, a hard paddle would set these boys straight. TBH most schools in the world would be much better places if there were actual and immediate concequences to acting like a shithead rather than just suspension which are basically vacation days.[/QUOTE] There are better ways to deal with bad behavior than physical violence which will likely just make the kids more fucked up. I'm pretty sure it's still legal in a handful of states, anyways.

We absolutely do not still need corporal punishment and anyone who says we do does not and should not ever work in an educational environment. Jesus.