• 3,000 drug cartel victims found dead in northern Mexico
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[QUOTE] A burial ground holding the dumped remains of 3,000 suspected drug cartel murder victims has been unearthed in northern Mexico. The gruesome find in the country's Coahuila state contained thousands of skeletal remains, teeth, bullet casings and boots that had been "cooked with acid" and broken up with shovels. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/3000-mexican-drug-cartel-victims-cooked-acid-found-mass-grave-1650401[/url]
Honestly at this point the UN should probably go in.
That's a massive amount of bodies.
[QUOTE]Since 2015, Vida has discovered 90,000 skeletal remains in at least 40 clandestine graves around Mexico.[/QUOTE] Christ almighty. I can only imagine how many haven't been discovered.
[QUOTE=download;52958414]Honestly at this point the UN should probably go in.[/QUOTE] In breaking news: UN declares it will now be a druglord. Jesus, that's alot of bodies, how do you dig that up? I'm not trying to be silly or funny, I mean seriously. Would you just have to hope you don't fuck up the bodies more than they already are?
tfw it's 2017 and you can run a nationally recognized country from under the table; anyway you want
It's terrifying that this is right next to the US. Not just as a country bordering, but the region where they were found. I do wonder if there are any mass graves hidden in Texas or Arizona
This isn't just a "Drug War" anymore. This is a fucking genocide...
What the absolute fuck even is that number? Three thousand people, Jesus
[QUOTE=download;52958414]Honestly at this point the UN should probably go in.[/QUOTE] And do what?
[QUOTE=Harbie;52959047]And do what?[/QUOTE] Start sellin some motherfuckin drugsssss
[QUOTE=Harbie;52959047]And do what?[/QUOTE] I wish the UN wasn't so fucking useless.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;52959076]I wish the UN wasn't so fucking useless.[/QUOTE] But what should they actually do?
[QUOTE=Uber22;52959017]This isn't just a "Drug War" anymore. This is a fucking genocide...[/QUOTE] A drug war with actual war-like body counts...
[QUOTE=DrDevil;52959285]But what should they actually do?[/QUOTE] Peace keeping troops, unified efforts to smoke out cartels and protect the civilian populace. Protect reporters so they're not beheaded and brutalized for calling the cartels out on their mass-murder. But they won't because it's not a backwards African nation that they can deploy some Frenchies to to hand out bags of rice. It's an actual problem that needs an actual solution so the UN won't get involved. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Uber22;52959017]This isn't just a "Drug War" anymore. This is a fucking genocide...[/QUOTE] It's been like this for a decade, the cartels have just gotten better at hiding bodies. They've slowly been moving to the mass-grave method of hiding bodies, instead of the classic string-them-up-on-an-overpass/bridge method they normally go for.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52959541]It's been like this for a decade, the cartels have just gotten better at hiding bodies. They've slowly been moving to the mass-grave method of hiding bodies, instead of the classic string-them-up-on-an-overpass/bridge method they normally go for.[/QUOTE] The latter method is used to send a signal, the former is to get rid of evidence for a time. I'd say they've become more tactical at using the latter, instead of at any given opportunity. Drug cartels have become a underground industrial complex since they've been without control for so long.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;52959285]But what should they actually do?[/QUOTE] Occupy, act in place of normal police, counter cartel activities etc.
[QUOTE=download;52958414]Honestly at this point the UN should probably go in.[/QUOTE] They should've gone in years ago. Wasn't there an article posted here that said Mexico is worse than Syria?
[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959638]Occupy, act in place of normal police, counter cartel activities etc.[/QUOTE] If people that reside in the country and neighborhoods they're assigned to protect can be bribed by these cartels, what makes you think soldiers with zero stake in the country will be immune? What warrants an invasion/"occupation" by the UN in this situation? That the state of the country is dangerous and undemocratic? By that metric more than half of the countries that comprise the UN should also be invaded.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52959755]the problem is the mexican government doesn't want an outside force to occupy them if you want the us military or the un to step in, theyd have to invade mexico[/QUOTE] Any sort of large scale military action like that will hurt Mexico and the people living there more than the cartels ever would, and would likely do very little to stop them. There are a lot of parallels between the war on drugs and the war on terror.
Whether to intervene or not, when, how, what "mission accomplished" looks like, are all really tough, complicated questions. It's these questions I wish our politicians would stop and ask themselves. I always joke that my story takes place in a universe where the UN is actually competent, and it deals with these same kind of questions. When should we intervene, when it's at the level of genocide? When it's just run-of-the-mill human rights abuses? And how should that look like? Who's going to fund the invading army, the training, the arming, the supporting? I mean, I don't want a global, police-like military because that sounds dystopian as hell, but surely there's a better solution than just sit by and hope the violence never reaches your home.
Another solution would be for Mexico to declare all of these harmful drugs legal and encourage voluntary rehabilitation like Switzerland. This would force the cartels to either adapt and operate above board or dissolve from legal competition.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959921]Another solution would be for Mexico to declare all of these harmful drugs legal and encourage voluntary rehabilitation like Switzerland. This would force the cartels to either adapt and operate above board or dissolve from legal competition.[/QUOTE] Demand from the US is what motivates the cartels, not Mexico. But I agree with you, legalization is the best path.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52959541]Peace keeping troops, unified efforts to smoke out cartels and protect the civilian populace. Protect reporters so they're not beheaded and brutalized for calling the cartels out on their mass-murder. But they won't because it's not a backwards African nation that they can deploy some Frenchies to to hand out bags of rice. It's an actual problem that needs an actual solution so the UN won't get involved. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] It's been like this for a decade, the cartels have just gotten better at hiding bodies. They've slowly been moving to the mass-grave method of hiding bodies, instead of the classic string-them-up-on-an-overpass/bridge method they normally go for.[/QUOTE] The UN can't shoot people you silly goose
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52959717]They should've gone in years ago. Wasn't there an article posted here that said Mexico is worse than Syria?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/isil-vs-mexican-drugcartelsunitedstatesislamophobia.html"]This one?[/URL] I've posted it before. It's a few years out if date now, but basically drug cartels are killing more Americans in ways that equal the brutality of ISIS.
this is a bad thing
I have no sympathy for the cartels and how they are destroyed. Way too many innocent people have been killed by these scumbags, and the only solution these days seems to be a military occupation of Mexico, and sniffing out every last one of these cartel scumbags and either letting Interpol sort them out, or let the devil settle them in his home. We can no longer treat this as a simple case of criminals going awry, they are paramilitaries with drug funds, and because of that we need a military force to deal with a military force.
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