In ‘Lord of the Flies’ Remake, Girls Survive Instead

[zizzleplix]

[QUOTE=New York Times]A planned film adaptation of “Lord of the Flies,” the 1954 novel that examined the inherent evil of humanity through an island of boys without adult supervision, will have a provocative twist: This time, the island will be full of girls.

The concept alone invited immediate scrutiny on social media. But skepticism was inflamed by a fairly common Hollywood story: The film about girls will be written and directed by two men, Scott McGehee and David Siegel.

The two men have reportedly made a deal with Warner Bros. to create the movie. Mr. Siegel told Deadline, which reported the news, that they intended to do “a very faithful but contemporized adaptation of the book.”[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/arts/lord-of-the-flies-girls.html?mcubz=0[/url]

[the rifleman]

Why

[Stroheim]

The Lord of the Flies circling the endless trash heap. Thanks Hollywood.

I wonder how they'll do the Piggy/Pilot scenes without going into [sp]pg-13/R? I mean for gods sake one is a fucking corpse, while the other gets his head bashed in with a giant rock.[/sp]

Also how the fuck do you make War of the Flies contemporary?

[Thechuz]

Oh dear.

[Carbisari]

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52634250]Is this going to be like last time where people act like it's the end of the world and that the original is [B]ruined forever!!!1111[/B][/QUOTE]

When a remake is made the creators of it destroy all known previous works/versions and they are thus lost forever so I would understand people getting upset by this.

[Retinazer]

I'm interested.

I'll give this movie a chance

[Steel]

Make something new and interesting instead of circling the drain with an existing thing but with a gender bent twist. Ghostbusters didn't fare well, and I don't have high hopes for Ocean's Eight.

[sir whoopsalot]

All female cast for no reason and written and directed by dudes.

This ship is leaving the port with a great big hole in the hull.

[Helix Snake]

I heard this news days ago and I have not thought of a single worse story, book, movie, or piece of media for them to possibly do a boys-to-girls gender swap for. Pretty much every feminist who knows about the source material is slamming the studio for this decision.

This is so perfectly stupid there has to be something more sinister going on.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Levithan;52634261]When a remake is made the creators of it destroy all known previous works/versions and they are thus lost forever so I would understand people getting upset by this.[/QUOTE]

It's just annoying when it's done for marketing buzz rather than for narrative reasons

[Tuskin]

I don't have a problem with this.

If it is good, it is good.

If it is bad, it is bad.

Blame the writers/producers

[Stroheim]

Do you think they'll go down the "Ghostbusters" trail if the trailer is (probably going to be) thumbed down into oblivion?

[Jorori]

Wasn't Lord of the Flies a critique on boy-only spaces like private religious schools (and by extension male-dominated spaces) and how the sexist culture that surrounds them is inherently selfdestructive and poisonous?

I recall the author of the book saying something like "Girls are superior to boys because they'd help each other and survive instead of competing against each other and fighting to death over pride, dick-measuring contests or other petty shit"

If so then this remake misses the point of the book entirely

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52634272]I don't have a problem with this.

If it is good, it is good.

If it is bad, it is bad.

Blame the writers/producers[/QUOTE]

I blame the marketeers.

All of this comes down to that level of bullshit.

[Scot]

[QUOTE=Jorori;52634293]Wasn't Lord of the Flies a critique on boy-only spaces like private religious schools (and by extension male-dominated spaces) and how the sexist culture that surrounds them is inherently selfdestructive and poisonous?

I recall the author of the book saying something like "Girls are superior to boys because they'd help each other and survive instead of competing against each other and fighting to death over pride, dick-measuring contests or other petty shit"

If so then this remake misses the point of the book entirely[/QUOTE]

I guess it just wants to explore the idea of how events would differ if the group were girls. If that's what it's going for then I think it deserves a place.

though we already have Mean Girls

[XUZUL]

[QUOTE=Scot;52634311]I guess it just wants to explore the idea of how events would differ if the group were girls. If that's what it's going for then I think it deserves a place.

though we already have Mean Girls[/QUOTE]

But then it isn't Lord of the Flies, it's something else

Then why does it don that name? Money.

[Elspin]

[QUOTE]Gender reversals in reboots are not new for Hollywood: A [b]“Ghostbusters” with a cast of women[/b] was a critical [b]and commercial success[/b] last year[/QUOTE]

Nothing like a bit of historical revisionism! The source even links one of their own articles for referencing it as a success based on very early weekend numbers and ignoring the fact that marketing costs are not usually factored into the publicly released budget. Paul Fieg himself said that it probably needed to make around $500m to be successful, and it made less than half that.

[zizzleplix]

Doing a cheap sex-swapped version of a pre-established IP is nothing but a cheap marketing tool and a convenient way to deflect any criticism of said remake. A not very successful one at that, just ask Paul Fieg and a lot of modern Marvel writers (ex: Femthor) :v: . This remake is likely nothing but a cold cash grab and it spectacularly misses the point of the book/original film.

[Hollywood SN]

How come they dont make an original IP from the ground up starring an all girl cast instead of relying on the existing popularity and template of another work of fiction but just gender swapping it.

[_charon]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52634334]How come they dont make an original IP from the ground up starring an all girl cast instead of relying on the existing popularity and template of another work of fiction but just gender swapping it.[/QUOTE]

easy, risk-free money
except i don't know if this is even risk-free, is Lord of the Flies [I]really[/I] that big?

[Stroheim]

For those on the fence about this movie, here's the actual author's opinion on it

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnfSV27vLY[/media]

[Carbisari]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52634334]How come they dont make an original IP from the ground up starring an all girl cast instead of relying on the existing popularity and template of another work of fiction but just gender swapping it.[/QUOTE]

Thinking like some big executive person, I'd think it's because using a previous IP is a "safer" investment of money since it's recognizable in the public eye and more likely to draw people in than to potentially waste money on something new that has a higher risk factor stapled to it.

[Stroheim]

[QUOTE=Levithan;52634347]Thinking like some big executive person, I'd think it's because using a previous IP is a "safer" investment of money since it's recognizable in the public eye and more likely to draw people in than to potentially waste money on something new that has a higher risk factor stapled to it.[/QUOTE]

Relevant RLM.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aomqbq5eIB0[/media]

[Curls]

Cant wait until anyone that calls the movie bad is only doing it out of being "sexist"

[Reagy]

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;52634313]But then it isn't Lord of the Flies, it's something else

Then why does it don that name? Money.[/QUOTE]

I actually genuinely think they should name it Lady of the Flies or something along that line, using the Lord of the Flies title on something that ignores the entire point of the original story is just wrong.

As pointed out the original story was a focus on all the bad stuff within male stigmas while its been actually proven, all female cultures can actually get along much better, even in tribal settings.

Not saying you can't just do a role reversal but its gonna be hard to do it to the same degree, especially when the original story is so focused on the bad of one gender and the whole cultural stigma of the time.

[sir whoopsalot]

[QUOTE=Elspin;52634314]Nothing like a bit of historical revisionism! The source even links one of their own articles for referencing it as a success based on very early weekend numbers and ignoring the fact that marketing costs are not usually factored into the publicly released budget. Paul Fieg himself said that it probably needed to make around $500m to be successful, and it made less than half that.[/QUOTE]

It opened in over 60% more theaters than Ghostbusters 2 did yet made only about 14% more during its run.

To call it a commercial success isn't even woefully inaccurate, it's quite a bit worse than that.

[Tinn]

What about that boar scene where they [sp]symbolically rape it[/sp]?
That'll definitely get weird when girls are doing it.

[Robotnik]

I can't wait for the Lord of the Flies Cinematic Universe

[maddogsamurai]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52634265]All female cast for no reason and written and directed by dudes.

This ship is leaving the port with a great big hole in the hull.[/QUOTE]

Here's another thing to consider; in both the book and the original film, when the boys get together on the island, one of the things they do is tear off their uniforms and run around stark naked before learning how to make tribal clothes out of nature. How's that gonna fly in a all-girls reboot? This isn't "A League of their Own" it's fucking "Lord of the Flies"!

I figured that if they go ahead and do this some changes will have to be made. A scene-by-scene recreation of the book and the original film is not going to work with what they're trying to do.

[Zillamaster55]

Wonder how they'll do the part where one of the kids gets [sp]fucking brained with a rock[/sp]

But I bet they'll cut to just gross noises in the background while people make a " :( " face