New version of Denuvo for Shadow of War cracked in single day - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.dsogaming.com/news/denuvo-seems-useless-middle-earth-shadow-war-also-cracked-just-day/[/url] [QUOTE]Middle-earth: Shadow of War has just been released and as we’ve already reported, it uses the Denuvo anti-tamper tech. And as you may have guessed, the game has been cracked in just a day. Shadow of War follows Total War: WARHAMMER 2 and FIFA 18; two games that were also cracked one day after their release.[/QUOTE]

jeez what if these pirates just have someone on the inside of Denuvo feeding them stuff?

What's more interesting that it was cracked by CODEX, group that wasn't into serious Denuvo cracking before.

This is the fate of even the best DRMs even Denovo's creators understand this

[QUOTE=J!NX;52772124]This is the fate of even the best DRMs even Denovo's creators understand this[/QUOTE] Actually, no. Propellerheads Reason (a music production software package) hasn't been cracked since Reason 5. And Reason 10 is coming end of the month. Slightly related I guess. Though I will admit Reason is the only time I've heard of uncrackable software. I believe the security is called 'Codemeter'. They actually do cracking/hacking contests with that software.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;52772179]Actually, no. Propellerheads Reason (a music production software package) hasn't been cracked since Reason 5. And Reason 10 is coming end of the month. Slightly related I guess. Though I will admit Reason is the only time I've heard of uncrackable software. I believe the security is called 'Codemeter'. They actually do cracking/hacking contests with that software.[/QUOTE] i've literally never heard of this program, and the reason it's probably "uncrackable" is because it's not something loads of people use, so there's not really a pirating scene for it.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;52772179]Actually, no. Propellerheads Reason (a music production software package) hasn't been cracked since Reason 5. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://twitter.com/PropellerheadSW/followers"]Followers; 56.4K[/URL]. Amazon review count and forums are small enough that I won't really bother pointing them out, since obviously everyones going to the website to buy. It seems to be an incredibly niche product so its not going to have any serious crackers trying to break into it. It just isn't big enough for anyone to care and seems to be advertising to mostly guitarists. It's not exactly Adobe, Sony, or Microsoft sized. Even Denuvo was uncracked for a good while. And then it was cracked. Reason being is that there was enough demand for it. That was a LOT of demand.

There was a period where Sony Vegas was uncrackable for a while until 5.0 or 6.0 became popular, after the sudden surge of popularity it got cracked pretty quickly. So yeah, the big crack teams are more interested in cracking games that will gain lots of downloads and attention then some niche product that would require a lot of work to properly crack.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52772185]i've literally never heard of this program, and the reason it's probably "uncrackable" is because it's not something loads of people use, so there's not really a pirating scene for it.[/QUOTE] Audio software has a huge pirating scene, and Reason, while not as well known as say Ableton, still has a sizable user base and plenty of people switching over to it since a recent major update. Reason's proprietary plugin format, "Rack Extension" hasn't been cracked yet either. All that being said I really don't think there is really such a thing as uncrackable. Everything security measure can be bypassed with enough effort, it is just a matter of how hard it is, and yes, how many people are working towards solving it.

With the DRM being cracked easily, I wonder if it would be possible to simulate the purchase of their loot boxes as well. It's really only something you would think could be possible for a single player only game, and why it's ridiculous to have them in the first place.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;52772350]Should be easy to "hack" a shit load of whatever currency they use to just buy the loot boxes.[/QUOTE] May the good old days of Trainer software rule again.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;52772179]Actually, no. Propellerheads Reason (a music production software package) hasn't been cracked since Reason 5. And Reason 10 is coming end of the month. Slightly related I guess. Though I will admit Reason is the only time I've heard of uncrackable software. I believe the security is called 'Codemeter'. They actually do cracking/hacking contests with that software.[/QUOTE] who would wanna use reason anyways it's a piece of shit real men use tracker based daws like renoise

[QUOTE=J!NX;52772213]Even Denuvo was uncracked for a good while. And then it was cracked. Reason being is that there was enough demand for it. That was a LOT of demand.[/QUOTE] The warez scene doesn't care about demand and would really rather prefer those ~P2P scrubs~ stopped sharing their stuff and bringing them law enforcement attention. Though of course being the first to break protection on AAA games that has lasted for months and months does wonders for the size of your e-penis.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;52772412]The warez scene doesn't care about demand and would really rather prefer those ~P2P scrubs~ stopped sharing their stuff and bringing them law enforcement attention.[/QUOTE] I've personally never heard of this. The groups that actually crack the DRM aren't the ones hosting the cracks, so people using P2P to access the crack would have zero effect on the groups themselves. If anything it'd hurt the sites hosting the cracks (and the people using the P2P to download it), not the ones who developed it.

IIRC, denuvo is just a form of VMPortect. Someone must have made a plugin for IDA to do all the detection and patching or people are seriously this dedicated.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52772420]I've personally never heard of this. The groups that actually crack the DRM aren't the ones hosting the cracks, so people using P2P to access the crack would have zero effect on the groups themselves. If anything it'd hurt the sites hosting the cracks (and the people using the P2P to download it), not the ones who developed it.[/QUOTE] [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6ladew/skidrow_released_a_game_with_an_interesting_nfo/]There was a little thing when Skidrow was quite mispleased that they got pushed off the pedestal. [/url] Long story short: Skidrow and other scene crackers are the true crackers while Steampunks, Codex and Baldman cheesed through cracking Denuvo. Even shorter: Skidrow are butthurt they can't crack Denuvo.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52772485][url=https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6ladew/skidrow_released_a_game_with_an_interesting_nfo/]There was a little thing when Skidrow was quite mispleased that they got pushed off the pedestal. [/url] Long story short: Skidrow and other scene crackers are the true crackers while Steampunks, Codex and Baldman cheesed through cracking Denuvo. Even shorter: Skidrow are butthurt they can't crack Denuvo.[/QUOTE] Skidrow got caught stealing other peoples work recently anyway. Also steampunks "key gen" method is honestly hilarious

[QUOTE=loopoo;52772185]i've literally never heard of this program, and the reason it's probably "uncrackable" is because it's not something loads of people use, so there's not really a pirating scene for it.[/QUOTE] Reason is pretty widely used lmao, its one of your stronger options for a DAW. the only reason its not as big as say fl or ableton is because those programs are pirated like crazy think b4 you speak

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52772436]IIRC, denuvo is just a form of VMPortect. Someone must have made a plugin for IDA to do all the detection and patching or people are seriously this dedicated.[/QUOTE] It used VMProtect in the past but they they were forbidden to use it in their DRM because Denuvo actually used a cracked license in there. (Or so some people say.) Currently Denuvo uses their own kind of Sandbox but its probably similar to VMProtect. Pretty interesting that CODEX took this one, would have expected Steampunks.

nice, the less drm we have the better

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52772436]IIRC, denuvo is just a form of VMPortect. Someone must have made a plugin for IDA to do all the detection and patching or people are seriously this dedicated.[/QUOTE] You're sort of right, but it's not that simple. There's a ton of dynamic analysis that has to happen way before static analysis with IDA can begin. Then, after static analysis, there's a huge amount of rebuilding that takes place. Most of the PE files are so destroyed that they have to be recreated from scratch. You also will have to have a specialized debugging tool suite to avoid every anti-debugging pitfall they put in your way, and a bunch of scripts to fix the anti-disassembly methods. Each of those techniques are varied across each packaging of the software, and they aren't in the exact same place or look exactly the same. Then, you have to reverse the VM, which is a nightmare in itself. You have to have a couple scripts to automate the grunt work, but most of the time is spent fixing up your output to put it back in a runnable state. They definitely did a shitton of research beforehand, then created a 'lab environment' with lots of tools, scripts and plugins that they accumulate in order to tackle the problem. After that, their knowledge and a couple modification to the scripts can finish the job. As someone who's unpacked VMProtect, Themida, and a couple other 'top-tier' packers, it's really dedication to solving the problem that fuels it all in the end.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52772733]Reason is pretty widely used lmao, its one of your stronger options for a DAW. the only reason its not as big as say fl or ableton is because those programs are pirated like crazy think b4 you speak[/QUOTE] Your anecdotal evidence doesn't suddenly make loopoo wrong. In fact, he's actually very much correct. FLStudio (one of the most cracked pieces of software I can think of) has a substantially larger userbase than something like Reason, which I've also never heard of before now. If you want actual evidence proving that Reason simply doesn't have a cracking scene rather than people are unable to crack it, just take a look at their forum users by comparison: Reason: [img]https://i.imgur.com/0qJuVjU.png[/img] FL-Studio: [img]https://i.imgur.com/Y4yd9h9.png[/img] Like, it's not even close lol

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52772862]Your anecdotal evidence doesn't suddenly make loopoo wrong. In fact, he's actually very much correct. FLStudio (one of the most cracked pieces of software I can think of) has a substantially larger userbase than something like Reason, which I've also never heard of before now. If you want actual evidence proving that Reason simply doesn't have a cracking scene rather than people are unable to crack it, just take a look at their forum users by comparison: Reason: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0qJuVjU.png[/IMG] FL-Studio: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y4yd9h9.png[/IMG] Like, it's not even close lol[/QUOTE] I'm not gonna pretend Reason is quite as large as Ableton or FL, but your comparison is completely flawed. First of all, Reason's community is fragmented as fuck, and there isn't a centralized or official forum anymore because of reasons (har har) that I don't need to get into. You just compared ReasonTalk's user count, an unofficial user run forum (one of many unfortunately, but one of the better ones), to the official Image-Line forum that you are automatically registered to when you make an account to get the DAW itself. That's like comparing all of steam's registered users to an unofficial blizzard fan forum and saying Steam's user base is 1000000 times the size of Battle.net's A perhaps slightly better indication of their difference in adoption would be to compare subreddit member counts: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0bpDqx6.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Ql4XguQ.png[/IMG] A substantial difference, but not quite the lolling zinger you thought it was. I would share more specific numbers, but I'd be violating my NDA. Just trying to stand up for my DAW of choice, a lot of people write it off and assume its not as good as the others because it is admittedly a lot less popular. I believe this is 80% due to their piracy prevention, and 20% due to their late support of VST.

Would have bought this too, if it wasn't for the microtransactions. Hope they realize how much they shot themselves in the foot with that 1 thing. Gameplay changing or not.

I find it hilarious that denuvo ended up giving CPR to the dying crack scene do they realize that by giving bold statements about being uncrackable or whatever just motivates those people since it's always been about the e-penis for them

[QUOTE=Socram;52773037]I'm not gonna pretend Reason is quite as large as Ableton or FL, but your comparison is completely flawed. First of all, Reason's community is fragmented as fuck, and there isn't a centralized or official forum anymore because of reasons (har har) that I don't need to get into. You just compared ReasonTalk's user count, an unofficial user run forum (one of many unfortunately, but one of the better ones), to the official Image-Line forum that you are automatically registered to when you make an account to get the DAW itself. [B]That's like comparing all of steam's registered users to an unofficial blizzard fan forum and saying Steam's user base is 1000000 times the size of Battle.net's[/B] [/quote] Uh, no it's not? I compared the size of two forums, what are you even on about? Even if it were automatically registering every single person who ever used their software to their forums (which it doesn't because that implies that number includes illegitimate copies), that still means that there's over 1.5 million people who have used it since that mechanic was implemented. [quote]A perhaps slightly better indication of their difference in adoption would be to compare subreddit member counts: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0bpDqx6.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Ql4XguQ.png[/IMG] A substantial difference, but not quite the lolling zinger you thought it was.[/quote] I wasn't trying to make some zinger?? I was trying to make a point that you're proving even further that Reason's community is incredibly small compared to FL Studio's lol. [quote]Just trying to stand up for my DAW of choice, a lot of people write it off and assume its not as good as the others because it is admittedly a lot less popular. I believe this is 80% due to their piracy prevention, and 20% due to their late support of VST.[/QUOTE] Literally zero people here are discussing the quality of the DAW. You're the only one who has brought it up. And you're naive if you think that world-class crack groups which have busted through triple-A DRM can't just as quickly break through Reason's DRM, if not even faster.

Looks like Evil Within 2 dropped Denuvo at the last moment.

[QUOTE=Gbps;52772788]You're sort of right, but it's not that simple. There's a ton of dynamic analysis that has to happen way before static analysis with IDA can begin. Then, after static analysis, there's a huge amount of rebuilding that takes place. Most of the PE files are so destroyed that they have to be recreated from scratch. You also will have to have a specialized debugging tool suite to avoid every anti-debugging pitfall they put in your way, and a bunch of scripts to fix the anti-disassembly methods. Each of those techniques are varied across each packaging of the software, and they aren't in the exact same place or look exactly the same. Then, you have to reverse the VM, which is a nightmare in itself. You have to have a couple scripts to automate the grunt work, but most of the time is spent fixing up your output to put it back in a runnable state. They definitely did a shitton of research beforehand, then created a 'lab environment' with lots of tools, scripts and plugins that they accumulate in order to tackle the problem. After that, their knowledge and a couple modification to the scripts can finish the job. As someone who's unpacked VMProtect, Themida, and a couple other 'top-tier' packers, it's really dedication to solving the problem that fuels it all in the end.[/QUOTE] I mean this is the thing as well - Yeah Denuvo might have been pretty strong and effective at first but that's because it was both complicated and new. Now that it has been around for a while these people are now probably very familiar with how it works and even when new versions of Denuvo come along its just a case of finding out what has changed.

[QUOTE=_demolisher_;52773389]Looks like Evil Within 2 dropped Denuvo at the last moment.[/QUOTE] I just read that, it is hilarious. Just a day ago it was spreading that Evil Within 2 will have it, today it comes out and there was no Denuvo to find anywhere. (It is already cracked as well, no surprise there tho.) Bethesda dropping Denuvo is pretty big.

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;52773406]I just read that, it is hilarious. Just a day ago it was spreading that Evil Within 2 will have it, today it comes out and there was no Denuvo to find anywhere. (It is already cracked as well, no surprise there tho.) Bethesda dropping Denuvo is pretty big.[/QUOTE] Given that Denuvo isn't even lasting a day I guess in their eyes there's no point in going through the hassle of implementing it anymore (and I assume the costs associated with it as well). Though it does have me curious what the next contender for anti-piracy DRM will be and if it'll hold up for some time like Denuvo did originally.