UK EU Referendum Poll (all welcome to vote) - General

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oh fuck i should've chosen the 'not voting' option as I'm not British lol

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50525833]oh fuck i should've chosen the 'not voting' option as I'm not British lol[/QUOTE] Likewise

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50525833]oh fuck i should've chosen the 'not voting' option as I'm not British lol[/QUOTE] thanks to this post I did not make the same mistake, so thank you

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50525833]oh fuck i should've chosen the 'not voting' option as I'm not British lol[/QUOTE] saved me, but by a hair

Too bad I can't vote, my birthday's only in a month.

[QUOTE=Erfly;50526002]Too bad I can't vote, my birthday's only in a month.[/QUOTE] 18th birthday in august for me

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50526025]18th birthday in august for me[/QUOTE] Happy birthday ahead of time mate

Voting remain. Quitting isn't British, just look at those lung cancer statistics.

Should exit, the EU's becoming more and more of a joke and in my opinion it's been kind of a mistake from the beginning. Time to break up and return to good old nationalstates.

[QUOTE=Camper99;50526512]Should exit, the EU's becoming more and more of a joke and in my opinion it's been kind of a mistake from the beginning. Time to break up and return to good old nationalstates.[/QUOTE] Ah yes the national states that butchered eachother and themselves for the first half of the last hundred years.

Where's the option to renegotiate our position in the EU? I guarantee you that option would win if it was a choice of Stay, Leave, or Renegotiate.

[QUOTE=Coffee;50526555]Where's the option to renegotiate our position in the EU? I guarantee you that option would win if it was a choice of Stay, Leave, or Renegotiate.[/QUOTE] Cameron already tried that and its also a cop-out option which can mean anything you want. It's the same reason I always avoid putting 'centrist' options in polls, it can mean different things to different people and forces people to pick sides because very few people are truly in the middle on political issues.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50526566]Cameron already tried that and its also a cop-out option which can mean anything you want. It's the same reason I always avoid putting 'centrist' options in polls, it can mean different things to different people and forces people to pick sides because very few people are truly in the middle on political issues.[/QUOTE] To remain essentially includes negotiate aswell. To remain doesn't mean to remain forever.

I would have voted to stay. But I'm on holiday when the vote takes place and it's too late to vote by post.

[QUOTE=Coffee;50526555]Where's the option to renegotiate our position in the EU? I guarantee you that option would win if it was a choice of Stay, Leave, or Renegotiate.[/QUOTE] p. sure "renegotiate" is an implicit part of "stay". We "renegotiate" with the EU a ton, whether or not anything actually changes is really up to the MEPs you elect and that we send over. For example, electing a jackass like Farage isn't going to effect change because he didn't do anything when we turned up for his role as MEP. Doing nothing is just as much a choice as taking action in this situation.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50526524]Ah yes the national states that butchered eachother and themselves for the first half of the last hundred years.[/QUOTE] You know, just because we wouldn't be the United States of Europa anymore doesn't mean that everyone would instantly become each other's enemy again. Times Change. The whole situation just got a bitter taste, foremost the fact that we get laws made up by parlaments that have no relation to some of the nations at all in some cases. Laws that we don't even have a chance to poll about or that we can take action against, if we don't want them. I simply don't like being under control of someone that really has no justification to have that control and seeing that our glorious american chancelor Merkel is one of the biggest EU supporters, this often directly influences Germany in a way that most of us do not like. I mean this is kinda going off-topic since it's going in the direction of EU in general and not Brexit, but my opinion about it is: Flee as long as you can.

[QUOTE=Camper99;50527003]You know, just because we wouldn't be the United States of Europa anymore doesn't mean that everyone would instantly become each other's enemy again. Times Change. The whole situation just got a bitter taste, foremost the fact that we get laws made up by parlaments that have no relation to some of the nations at all in some cases. Laws that we don't even have a chance to poll about or that we can take action against, if we don't want them. I simply don't like being under control of someone that really has no justification to have that control and seeing that our glorious american chancelor Merkel is one of the biggest EU supporters, this often directly influences Germany in a way that most of us do not like. I mean this is kinda going off-topic since it's going in the direction of EU in general and not Brexit, but my opinion about it is: Flee as long as you can.[/QUOTE] Ofcourse it doesn't mean that everybody become eachothers enemies again, I'm just saying that the "good old national states" weren't that good. I just hope you want nations to leave EU for a good reason and think that there is a better way to find co-operation in Europe by withdrawing from this economical union.

stay!! i wanna go there without needing a visa.

[QUOTE=Blind Weasel;50527198]stay!! i wanna go there without needing a visa.[/QUOTE] yeah, being able to travel between EU countries without border checks is pretty great.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50527194]Ofcourse it doesn't mean that everybody become eachothers enemies again, I'm just saying that the "good old national states" weren't that good. I just hope you want nations to leave EU for a good reason and think that there is a better way to find co-operation in Europe by withdrawing from this economical union.[/QUOTE] Indeed I do. Actually, some kind of "bond" between the nations isn't a bad thing at all, but the unified currency (looking at the huge economical gaps between some states) and EU-wide "government" is. It should rather be something like an alliance but not the way it is right now.

[QUOTE=IAreLegend;50527286]yeah, being able to travel between EU countries without border checks is pretty great.[/QUOTE] UK isn't in Schengen

[QUOTE=Camper99;50526512]Should exit, the EU's becoming more and more of a joke and in my opinion it's been kind of a mistake from the beginning. Time to break up and return to good old nationalstates.[/QUOTE] Because whenever there's a problem, especially when something isn't perfect immediately, one should just abandon it and give up. :downs:

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50526566]Cameron already tried that and its also a cop-out option which can mean anything you want. It's the same reason I always avoid putting 'centrist' options in polls, it can mean different things to different people and forces people to pick sides because very few people are truly in the middle on political issues.[/QUOTE] ...and the fact that people have to pick a side is one of the worst things about real-world politics.

First chance to vote and its in a pretty major referendum. Should be fun.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50528254]UK isn't in Schengen[/QUOTE] As long as you have a passport you can go all over the EU pretty easily still though. No visa crap required. The border controls are only really a thing going into the UK from France, going across most countries past that it's like driving into another county.

I legit don't give a shit to be honest, nobody has laid out the pros and cons of both leaving and staying.

Stay. If i want to freely travel around Europe then I don't want some guy called Keith who's never left Hull, helping make a decision to say i can't.

[QUOTE=Tools;50528525]Because whenever there's a problem, especially when something isn't perfect immediately, one should just abandon it and give up. :downs:[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, but I'd give something up that only started mediocre and then continuously got worse. Hell, the majority of our people didn't even want the Euro to begin with. Government did that over our heads, just because glorious perfect EU.

[QUOTE=GHOST!!!!;50531501]I legit don't give a shit to be honest, nobody has laid out the pros and cons of both leaving and staying.[/QUOTE] Leaving: - Government gets full control over what laws it can set - No EU regulated taxes - No EU "fees" - No free trade with EU countries - No VISA free travel with EU countries Staying: - Government continues to have EU restrictions placed upon it - EU established laws and guidelines will remain - Free EU trade will remain - Free travel between EU countries will remain Leaving will mean, new and potentially higher taxes to make up for what was lost by leaving, more expensive goods due to cut of trade with EU suppliers, the holiday industry will be hit hard both within the UK and EU, overall things will become more expensive and you wont be able to travel as freely. Staying will mean shit will stay as it is, and we'll still have all of these problems people bitch about. Double edged sword and this is just simple summary of what either can do, it can go the completely other way but honestly, leaving is the worse of the two evils to me.