yay more PR speak where they do nothing but dodge concerns and criticism
:^)
"Wah wah we don't want to have to call our game finished yet and still want more money, why are you all so angry at us!?"
Being a bit childish.
I don't really fully understand the controversy anyway...This expansion was in development either way and looks like it has released around the time it was meant to despite the games launch being pushed back to December instead of a few months ago. All of the reviews I have seen for the expansion itself have said it's really good. The only issue with this whole situation is that a project by one team was finished earlier than the main game due to delays, so they released it?
I don't think its very disingenuous for them to have a separate group working on expansion content before the base game is done provided they have adequate people working on the base game, since throwing more people at it will provide diminishing returns. [B]More so when the game is so close to being released anyway.[/B]
It feels like it boils down to people complaining because they were given the [B]option[/B] to buy content (Which is meant to be quite good) a few months earlier than expected.
To be honest the whole 'indie developer' thing starts to get lost when you start to say marketing buzz words like 'aggressive development' and the following sentence:
“We understand that this isn't everyone's cup of tea, and we appreciate the enjoyment people seem to be getting out of this initial view of how Expansion Arks can work." almost literally translates to "We understand that you don't like it but people are buying it so who cares."
They didn't respond. All they said was "We understand that this isn't everyone's cup of tea".
[QUOTE=Selek;51008780]To be honest the whole 'indie developer' thing starts to get lost when[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cushie;51008769]I don't really fully understand the controversy anyway...This expansion was in development either way and looks like it has released around the time it was meant to despite the games launch being pushed back to December instead of a few months ago. All of the reviews I have seen for the expansion itself have said it's really good. The only issue with this whole situation is that a project by one team was finished earlier than the main game due to delays, so they released it?
I don't think its very disingenuous for them to have a separate group working on expansion content before the base game is done provided they have adequate people working on the base game, since throwing more people at it will provide diminishing returns. [B]More so when the game is so close to being released anyway.[/B]
It feels like it boils down to people complaining because they were given the [B]option[/B] to buy content (Which is meant to be quite good) a few months earlier than expected.[/QUOTE]
Why were they even working on extra paid content in the first place when there's still content they promised for the main game that hasn't been implemented yet [I]and[/I] while the game is still unoptimized?
[QUOTE=Konork;51009060]Why were they even working on extra paid content in the first place when there's still content they promised for the main game that hasn't been implemented yet [I]and[/I] while the game is still unoptimized?[/QUOTE]
Like I said, there usually becomes a point in a project where throwing more manpower at it offers diminishing returns or even hinders development, that or it feels like there are enough people that the project is working at a suitable place / [I]the bulk of work has been done, freeing up people to work on other stuff.[/I]
It's a fairly common practice for paid content to be in development before release, and I'm sure people don't know how many people were working on the expansion vs the main game as well as how long it took them to do. [B]This expansion was originally meant to be released after the game came out AFAIK, but the base game release being delayed to December would have meant that the expansion was finished well before and they decided to release it.[/B]
On the point of optimization, the expansion is mostly just new assets built upon the main game as they already have almost all of the groundwork needed. I'd wager that they had more artists working on the expansion and comparably very few programmers.
I see no reason to be angry that a fully fledged expansion came out before they left EA. If it was a shameless cash grab without any effort going into it that would be another discussion entirely, but like I said the expansion content itself has actually been received pretty well. It's just another argument that comes down to 'if it pisses you off so much then you really shouldn't have bought an early access game when there is no guarantee that this will not happen' to me.
[QUOTE=Cushie;51008769]It feels like it boils down to people complaining because they were given the [B]option[/B] to buy content (Which is meant to be quite good) a few months earlier than expected.[/QUOTE]
The question is whether or not this should've been included with the base game and not optional content in the first place.
Because, y'know, the game isn't even fucking finished. I don't see why an indie developer should be excused for developing paid DLC to sell before their game that they're making is even finished.
[editline]6th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cushie;51009115][B]This expansion was originally meant to be released after the game came out AFAIK, but the base game release being delayed to December would have meant that the expansion was finished well before and they decided to release it.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]But the game wasn't even fucking done and they were already blowing resources on expansions[/B]
Will the game even be ready to launch in December?
The game still runs terribly at pretty much every setting for me (my specs aren't terrible in the least), the UI is still hot garbage (even though they've said since launch that they planned to improve it), and the goofy bone scaling character creation (which they also said they'd replace) is still there.
I guess it doesn't really help that 4 studios are working on the game simultaneously, with one of them being in an entirely different country. Must be hell to manage.
I really don't see how 50,000 people are able to play and enjoy this game in its current state.
Isn't it against Steam's rules to release a DLC for a game in Early Access?
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;51009349]Isn't it against Steam's rules to release a DLC for a game in Early Access?[/QUOTE]
Valve doesn't care about anything revolving their service, they only care that developers are using their service and they get a cut.
Hmm I wonder why they didn't use this response
[t]http://i.imgur.com/32pbONT.png[/t]
[QUOTE=MisterSjeiks;51009512]Hmm I wonder why they didn't use this response
[t]http://i.imgur.com/32pbONT.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Because that was just a QA guy, apparently, not someone on the dev team or anything like that
[QUOTE=MisterSjeiks;51009512]Hmm I wonder why they didn't use this response
[t]http://i.imgur.com/32pbONT.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Holy shit that last bit. That's some Phil Fish shit right there. "I should be charging $90 you fucking ingrates" type shit. Or whatever it was he said. Jesus christ.
I still can't believe this game sold millions. Its' weird, I suppose everyone did just like I did and bought it ironically.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51009561]I still can't believe this game sold millions. Its' weird, I suppose everyone did just like I did and [B]bought it ironically.[/B][/QUOTE]
Then you guys complain about companies getting away with shitty practices
the more important question here is why are people playing Early access Survival crafting game No. 23940857?
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51009582]how do you buy something ironically?[/QUOTE]
Because trash is still trash, but we still end up buying it over and over.
The survival game genre is literally littered with the same story. People just never learn, we continue to seek that glorious survival game that will actually be good. But, it will never happen and now that fad is over.
What we see now is the remains of the genre, a reminder that people were just trying to cash-in.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51009561]I still can't believe this game sold millions. Its' weird, I suppose everyone did just like I did and bought it ironically.[/QUOTE]
"I can't believe this game sold well."
"I bought it ironically."
?????
How the fuck do you even buy a game ironically, what does that even mean.
[QUOTE=villa;51009700]"I can't believe this game sold well."
"I bought it ironically."
?????
How the fuck do you even buy a game ironically, what does that even mean.[/QUOTE]
"lol guys I was only pretending to be stupid"
I feel like this applies.
[QUOTE=meppers;51009602]the more important question here is why are people playing Early access Survival crafting game No. 23940857?[/QUOTE]
Because unlike other survival games ARK actually had/has huge potential and already delivered lots of content on release.
Still a dickmove what they do and they still don't optimize the game.
[QUOTE=meppers;51009602]the more important question here is why are people playing Early access Survival crafting game No. 23940857?[/QUOTE]
Because the actual content is really good, the issue is the devs are focusing on things that sell the game to outsiders (flashy new content) rather than fixing the massive (and increasing) piles of bugs that have been marring the game since release. Some of them range from hideous to completely ruining what you'd probably call the PvE endgame of ark, and they've basically all just been ignored
[QUOTE=gk99;51009216]The question is whether or not this should've been included with the base game and not optional content in the first place.
Because, y'know, the game isn't even fucking finished. I don't see why an indie developer should be excused for developing paid DLC to sell before their game that they're making is even finished.
[editline]6th September 2016[/editline]
[B]But the game wasn't even fucking done and they were already blowing resources on expansions[/B][/QUOTE]
Their development team is at least 40 strong, who is to decide where their resources are better spent? They have a lot of people probably qualified and cross qualified for a lot of things, it wouldn't necessarily be productive having all of those people working on purely the base game at once and there wouldn't necessarily always be work for them to do on it in their roles. This expansion is mostly new assets/a new level, considering a very large amount of content is done for their base game, are their artists and level designers etc expected to become full time programmers to work on what needs to be fixed in the base game?
Maybe they could actually try to explain it and not release a generic statement, but I'm just sick of how quick people are to throw a shitfit and grab the pitchforks for stuff like this without even considering any other possibility. Would this reaction be justified if they had a separate team working on an entirely new game and it was released before Ark hit 1.0? Or are they not allowed to do that because they [B]must[/B] finish the base game and the base game only before they even consider doing anything else?
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51009561]I still can't believe this game sold millions. Its' weird, I suppose everyone did just like I did and bought it ironically.[/QUOTE]
Your fucking naive opinion man, don't talk for everyone. ARK is one of the best survival games in the market. It got so much content compared to most of the early access in survival, the dev are very close to the community since day one, they made so many update since release. I agree that the Food/Thirst system is shit tought. And the taming system. 3 hours to tame a dino, it's just stupid.
Also, the playermodel customization is shit. I fucking hate it, everyone is a fat weird guy or a goddamn skinny monster because of it. It destroy my immersion.
Personally i love this DLC. It's really good.
Is this a joke or something?
The game is in early access and this expansion should have been free for early access, since the game isn't even finished...
These damn early access scams on steam always find a way to sell content that are supposed to added in the finished game.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51009561]I still can't believe this game sold millions. Its' weird, I suppose everyone did just like I did and bought it ironically.[/QUOTE]
I can't believe you said that unironically.
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