Weed. And how it isn't for everyone. - General

So, to explain this post, I've been recently arguing with an old friend who I used to smoke weed with and now pretends he didn't because he joined the UK armed forces. I personally think he is brainwashed or ashamed, or possibly too worried to admit he used to smoke a lot of weed. Anyway, he reckons weed is for no one and all weed smokers are almost "heroin level addicts". I think for some majority of the overall population of the planet weed in some form, whether it be smoking or some sort of THC capsule can be beneficial for some people such as myself. Call it wrong if you must, I personally smoke weed to cure my social anxiety as I feel I'm able to speak to people whilst high as well as being a stress relief and help me think straight. As well as having a good time with friends. At the same time, I believe weed isn't for everyone as I've experienced my own cousin fall insane from what he blames is weed and addiction. Anyway I guess my question is overall to settle this argument, will legalisation of marijuana in a country such as the UK work out overall in favour of the majority? If not or if so please say why, thank you. And do you think it'll cause more people to become lazy and addicted as my friend states. Understandably peope hold their own experiences and opinions on this post as well as the drug and I fully respect your opinion. Edit: Just to state my bias: I believe weed is for people who enjoy weed, however I do believe certain people shouldn't smoke or take anything in the case of my cousin.

For starters, cannabis shouldn't be used by people who suffer from pre-existing mental health disorders as it may cause episodes and similar symptoms. Cannabis, when used by healthy adults with "fully*" developed brains, is almost completely harmless. There are somewhat rare conditions such as "marijuana allergy" and the rarer pre-prodrome schizophrenia being triggered by cannabis use.** However, if you do not suffer from any of these (and some not mentioned) disorders, you should be fine to use marijuana. When smoking marijuana, effects last about 2 to 4 hours depending on quality and amounts. There is no hangover, it is not physically addictive, (although some say it may be psychologically addictive, this is also up for debate) it is not typically hallucinogenic, and it can be directed at what you want out of it. Marijuana buds contain multiple cannabinoids such as THC, CBD, CBN, CBG, CBE, CBL, CTL, and so on. Each of these occur naturally in various strains of cannabis in different ratios and amounts, causing different effects - hence different strains. Some strains may be completely compatible with depression, some may be completely incompatible with anxiety. This is why medical marijuana users should talk to their 'budtender' at their dispensary to find something that suits them, these people smoke weed the entire time they aren't working and know what they're talking aboot. They'll help you find what you're looking for. To conclude, marijuana is fine for healthy people who aren't allergic to it, suffering from specific mental disorders, or from other rarer complications. You'll cough if you smoke it, a lot if it's your first time. If you smoke a lot you'll develop a tolerance and need to smoke more or cut back for a while. -- * The definition of a "fully developed brain" is not actually well defined other than 'being about 25 years old' ** Pre-existing, non-active schizophrenia being triggered by marijuana use is pretty rare, and not very well documented medically speaking. There is not much actual evidence that "marijuana use" can cause schizophrenia, in that the specific cannabinoids, terpenoids, and so on that allegedly [I]do[/I] cause it haven't been identified. It could be a fruitless journey, or a scientific breakthrough!

Sent my friend your post. Now he's telling me to watch not to overdose :v: I guess there's no winning with some people.

In order to overdose from smoking cannabis you would require over a tonne of it, and you would have to smoke all of it in under an hour. You can't overdose from smoking. The lethal amount is so absurdly high it's unreachable. You won't even overdose from edibles - you'll pass out.

Yeah that clears it up then, thanks man. He's literally just said you can OD on edibles. :v:

Pan metron ariston, all in moderation, even weed becomes more enjoyable. Smoker of 7 years here

[QUOTE=Quark:;53067403]In order to overdose from smoking cannabis you would require over a tonne of it, and you would have to smoke all of it in under an hour. You can't overdose from smoking. [B]The lethal amount is so absurdly high it's unreachable.[/B] You won't even overdose from edibles - you'll pass out.[/QUOTE] [thumb]https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lab-assistant-holding-a-giant-syringe-picture-id600579203[/thumb] wanna bet?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53067639][thumb]https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lab-assistant-holding-a-giant-syringe-picture-id600579203[/thumb] wanna bet?[/QUOTE] Yes I bet you can't overdose on marijuana

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53067639][thumb]https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lab-assistant-holding-a-giant-syringe-picture-id600579203[/thumb] wanna bet?[/QUOTE] I mean if you try hard enough anything can kill you, even water. That's not the argument here. The point is that you cannot OD on any practical amount of cannibis

I have a friend who stupidly smoked almost non stop for 2-4 months, to the point where his "normal" self became "lowkey-high", if we were going to the movies he took a hit, if he was about to eat he took a hit and so and so, nowadays he is trying to get off of it, he says that he starts to feel anxious if he doesn't smoke every so often, now tries to take no more than 2 hits per day. At that point he couldn't even get that high, he build so much tolerance that he didn't even felt it that much, yet he couldn't himself, he somehow managed to get addicted to it. Also he is dumb and irresponsible. If you are dumb and irresponsible you probably should not even try any drug until you get yourself together

i used to take multiple anti anxiety medicines but thanks to weed I barely need one

I smoke occasionally after concerts and stuff and it is just a social activity like drinking. For most people I think this is pretty similar. I do know people who do nothing but spend all their money on weed, talk about nothing but weed and have lost their jobs for smoking weed at work but I don't think that is anything to do with weed and more to do with the people themselves having crap priorities.

I'm in the security business and to me weed is just another thing that makes people a danger to themselves as well as others. Mind you I'm not brainwashed and I do recognize its medical properties but in my line of work its a gateway drug to worse stuff. In my opinion the best solution would be to provide sufficient information on drugs within schools. People like Quark are good in the sense that they provide correct (can confirm based on my narcotics training) information to help others get a better understanding. Another issue I think people have is that when they hear "legalized marijuana" they jump the gun and assume there wouldn't be any legal restrictions (DUI etc.). OP, it's def. not for everyone but neither is it some looming evil corrupting society. Your buddy probably did a 180 because of a strict officer in the Army/Royal Marines. I wouldn't worry too much as that's a thing he needs to resolve himself.

[media]https://youtu.be/guBeu4p9-dc[/media] This is what weed feels like for this who don't know

I have chronic depression and anxiety. For me personally it eases the symptoms of both of them and helps me sleep :smile:

The problem is not that weed is addictive, the problem is when users have poor self control or are using it as a coping mechanism for life and not in moderation or medically. Healthy and mentally mature adults can use it and suffer zero downsides. Anybody that appears addicted to it is not addicted to weed, they are probably just acting very irresponsibly of their own accord. Tell your friend to separate causation from correlation.

[QUOTE=Quark:;53067403]In order to overdose from smoking cannabis you would require over a tonne of it, and you would have to smoke all of it in under an hour. You can't overdose from smoking. The lethal amount is so absurdly high it's unreachable. You won't even overdose from edibles - you'll pass out.[/QUOTE] how high is the lethal threshold

[QUOTE=Citrus705;53071657]how high is the lethal threshold[/QUOTE] So high that literally nobody has died from it. Not one person has ever OD'd on weed. The conservative estimate is around 1/3rd your bodyweight, but that's pretty damn low and you'd need to ingest it all at once. Not over a couple hours, but at the same time just pounding it all down bite after bite until your stomach explodes.

[QUOTE=AncientFryup;53067422]Yeah that clears it up then, thanks man. He's literally just said you can OD on edibles. :v:[/QUOTE] You can try but I guarantee you'll just throw up and pass out. I went and saw Rush 40 and had a whole bag of these 100mg hard candies. I kept eating them throughout the show and when I ran out during the encore I just started feeling really shitty and dizzy. Went back to my m8s place and took one rip off a vaporizer and ended up hurling all over the lid of his trashcan and passing out. Great show.

I feel like I wasn't extremely down all the time when I still did smoke weed three years or so ago. It made things feel enjoyable for some reason. I got prescribed antidepressants not too long ago, but I still wonder why the fuck I was more able to genuinely enjoy things when I was still using it every once in a while. That said, I also remember the kinda shit I went through when I took some way too strong sativa I think. It wasn't fun at all whatsoever. It's the thing I mentioned earlier that I still can't come to terms with however. Either I indulge in something that actually makes me feel good, or I get people to look down on me. Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

Some strains are uppers and some are downers. Some strains have different effects if you only consume a little compared to when you consume a lot (Kratom is alike in this aspect) and some strains can cause basically just euphoria and stabilized mood. Always talk to a specialist if you're in a legal state to find the perfect strain for you :)

[QUOTE=Citrus705;53071657]how high is the lethal threshold[/QUOTE] Not too dissimilar to getting drunk on alcohol free cider

The lethal threshold of marijuana consumption "would be comparable to a 154-pound human [B]eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana[/B] or [B]10 pounds of 5% hashish[/B] [B][U][I]at one time.[/I][/U][/B] In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human [B]smoking at one time almost three pounds[/B] (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking." 'By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.' 'A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.' Source: [url]http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm[/url]

man wtf people in labs are trying to stone animals to death for the meme? [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] it's like we already know the ld50 is atrociously high but we gotta find tha limit [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] man why don't they stone me to death?!

No matter what angle you look at the issue of cannabis consumption from, so long as you pay attention to the [I]facts[/I] and the [I]truth[/I], you will [I]logically[/I] conclude that cannabis is almost completely harmless, surely medicinal and therapeutic, and a safe recreational substance. It should be consumed responsibly, as different people will react to different strains in different ways especially from different methods of consumption. Don't load your breakfast with bong rips and doobie puffs if you're still a teenager though, because it can affect the development of your brain into adolescence and adulthood. Be safe and smart.

[QUOTE=billeh!;53075640]man wtf people in labs are trying to stone animals to death for the meme? [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] it's like we already know the ld50 is atrociously high but we gotta find tha limit [editline]23rd January 2018[/editline] man why don't they stone me to death?![/QUOTE] Given that the tech to produce increasingly potent concentrates is rapidly evolving I'd say it's a good idea to understand the effects of extremely high doses

[QUOTE=153x;53076105]Given that the tech to produce increasingly potent concentrates is rapidly evolving I'd say it's a good idea to understand the effects of extremely high doses[/QUOTE] yes that's sensible but this is THC we're talkin

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53080833]The moment someone says "all *something*" you can start taking everything they say immediately after it with a grain of salt unless it's actually provable. It is human to generalize so he probably can't help it very much. But if you confront him with his generalization and he still keeps going I think it'd be best to just drop the subject. Seeing how he's a friend of yours I'd take the disagreement over trying to convince him otherwise whilst he's obviously not open to having his mind changed. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] Also yes I agree with you on the weed is not for everyone thing and some people can use it moderately and responsibly. Though if someone smokes weed every day and does nothing productive (even if it's just for themselves) then they should start to wonder if they really are the kind of person who should be smoking it.[/QUOTE] So... You're saying all people who say "all something" should not be trusted :v: I joke

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;53068275]gateway drug[/QUOTE] If cannabis is a gateway drug, keeping it illegal makes criminal elements the gatekeepers

A gateway to the kitchen HEYOO [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] And bye