Source: PCG
[QUOTE]We sat down with legendary John Carmack and picked his brain on a few of our favorite topics. Along the way, we asked him which graphics card he would buy right that second and why. His answer might surprise you.
[b]PCG: If you were to buy a graphics card right now, what would you get?[/b]
John Carmack: Let me caution this by saying that this is not necessarily a benchmarked result. We've had closer relationships with Nvidia over the years, and my systems have had Nvidia cards in them for generations. We have more personal ties with Nvidia. As I understand it, ATI/AMD cards are winning a lot of the benchmarks right now for when you straight-out make synthetic benchmarks for things like that, but our games do get more hands-on polish time on the Nvidia side of things.
Nvidia does have a stronger dev-relations team. I can always drop an email for an obscure question. So its more of a socio-cultural decision there rather than a raw 'Which hardware is better.' Although that does feed back into it, when you've got the dev-relation team that is deeply intertwined with the development studio. That tends to make your hardware, in some cases, come out better than what it truly is, because it's got more of the software side behind it. You almost can't make a bad decision with graphics cards nowadays. Any of the add-in cards from AMD or Nvidia are all insanely powerful. The only thing that's still lacking'and it's changing'is the integrated graphics parts. Rage executes on an Intel integrated graphics part, but it isn't something you'd want to run it on right now. But even that's going to be changing with the upcoming generations of things.
I mean, the latest integrated graphics parts probably are more powerful in many ways than the consoles. If they gave us the same low-level of access, coupled with the much more powerful CPUs, we could do good stuff there. Of course, that's the worrisome large-scale industry dynamic there, where as integrated parts become 'good enough,' it's got to make life really scary for Nvidia on there. If it went that way to its logical conclusion, where Intel parts were good enough and Nvidia was pinched enough not to be able to do the continuous R&D, that would be an unfortunate thing for the industry.
To some degree, it seems almost inevitable where the world of multi-hundred-dollar add-in cards are doing something that's being done pretty well by an on-die chip. Not right now, maybe not next year, but it's hard to imagine a world five years from now where you don't have competent graphics on every CPU die.[/QUOTE]
well seeing how their newer engines are based on OpenGL I expected them to prefer nVidia
[quote]You almost can't make a bad decision with graphics cards nowadays.[/quote]
this man is a genius.
[QUOTE=lavacano;29786797]this man is a genius.[/QUOTE]
Obviously, it's John Carmack :colbert:
If I were a girl, I'd ask this man to make me a few hundred babies.
[QUOTE=Macktastic;29786231]well seeing how their newer engines are based on OpenGL I expected them to prefer nVidia[/QUOTE]
I've always been under the impression that ATi had better OpenGL support. I thought it was the other way around.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29786867]I've always been under the impression that ATi had better OpenGL support. I thought it was the other way around.[/QUOTE]
Uh no.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;29787769]Uh no.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok. I thought ATi drivers had better support, but I guess I got them mixed up.
Snip, fucking retarded bandwagon jumping
Edit:
I will never stop being rated for something I snipped, will I?
who cares
you're getting a quality card either way you go, just depends on your price range
As if it wasn't made abundantly clear that your engine focuses on Nvidia hardware with the release of Brink :rolleye:
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;29787825]Lol AMD/ATi ever having better drivers :downs:
(and this is coming from an ATi Radeon HD user)[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, both companies have pretty shit drivers from time to time.
Although I do agree that CCC is a load of horseshit.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29788543]If I recall correctly, both companies have pretty shit drivers from time to time.
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They do. I've had my share of those 'nvlddmkm.sys' errors. That's not saying NVIDIA doesn't have better driver support overall. They do tend to release better updates.
But I haven't had too much of a problem with ATI's stuff, even with my older Radeon cards.
[img]http://gyazo.com/084e02106fb012b75295503870fc1444.png[/img]
And you see kids, this is why you don't jump on idiotic bandwagons! :v:
...
Like I did... :smith:
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
I regret posting that.
And I will now change my rating for that post.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
But in general you should avoid those posts unless you've really had some bad experiences with a specific vendor. It doesn't really contribute anything useful to just hate on something for the sake of doing it.
Well the Radeon HD in my old HP Pavilion dv5 did murder itself... But that was HP's fault with their shitty cooling, so....
Yeeeeah.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
I'll be careful, I promise!
I agree, I'm willing to give up some performance for the better/more stable nVidia featureset.
Or perhaps that was just my upgrade from a laptop 8600gt to a gtx 570. Upgrading from that thing would've been good no matter what I'd bought.
Yes, i'm preferred!
[QUOTE=nVidia;29792150]Yes, i'm preferred![/QUOTE]
Didn't see that comming at all!
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29786867]I've always been under the impression that ATi had better OpenGL support. I thought it was the other way around.[/QUOTE]
Try an ATi/AMD card with Linux. See how their drivers handle OpenGL.
[sp]Like shit[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nexus435;29787832]who cares
you're getting a quality card either way you go, just depends on your price range[/QUOTE]
yup, what's your price range??
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;29792400]Try an ATi/AMD card with Linux. See how their drivers handle OpenGL.
[sp]Like shit[/sp][/QUOTE]
I still have a grace period. Should I return this 5850?
[QUOTE=garrynohome;29794681]I still have a grace period. Should I return this 5850?[/QUOTE]
Am I your purchasing manager? I say keep it because its a decent card.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;29794681]I still have a grace period. Should I return this 5850?[/QUOTE]
If you use linux and opengl extensively, probably.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;29787852]As if it wasn't made abundantly clear that your engine focuses on Nvidia hardware with the release of Brink :rolleye:[/QUOTE]
Ehh, Brink uses the same engine as Quake 4, Doom 3, and I want to think Enemy Territory:Quake Wars. Neither I nor my friends have had trouble running those on AMD cards, which leads me to believe that Brink is just poorly designed to start with (why haven't we gotten a damn patch yet?) and horribly optimized. Keep in mind Nvidia cards have problems with it too(I know this too well), they just aren't as severe as AMD.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;29792400]Try an ATi/AMD card with Linux. See how their drivers handle OpenGL.
[sp]Like shit[/sp][/QUOTE]
You know cause linux has amazing graphics driver support otherwise.
Only drivers worth mentioning are the proprietary nvidia ones.
[QUOTE=Wearwolf;29797184]You know cause linux has amazing graphics driver support otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Its nvidia graphics drivers are better.
I never had any problems with the IGP drivers though, but then yet again, they don't have 3d acceleration in the 1st place.
I fucking hate the shit out of my AMD 6870. It is terrible! I have plenty of problems, and no it isn't just my card. It is the same problems with many other 6870s. I have never had a good experience with AMD/ATi.
I will never leave nVidia again...
/endfanboyrant
I've never had problems with ATI or Nvidia cards, but that just makes it harder for me when I need a new graphics card.
[QUOTE=Canary;29806599]I've never had problems with ATI or Nvidia cards, but that just makes it harder for me when I need a new graphics card.[/QUOTE]
Same here. I just go with whatever side is going to provide me with the best bang for my buck at the time.
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