This is basically how I feel. It seems silly but it's Valve. They know how to make money.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42574375]This is basically how I feel. It seems silly but it's Valve. They know how to make money.[/QUOTE]
More importantly, they know how to [I]keep[/I] making money. They're doing stuff 10 years in advance as Carmack said, making them the real forebears to the markets.
I still don't think it will be very successful.
Current/old games will never get linux support, and I doubt most new big titles will see Linux releases either.
Even most steam games don't work on linux
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574428]I still don't think it will be very successful.
Current/old games will never get linux support, and I doubt most new big titles will see Linux releases either.
Even most steam games don't work on linux[/QUOTE]
You know what is great about Linux? Old games don't HAVE to support Linux, because Wine exist. In the future (and not a far-fetched one either), we'll be playing those games through Wine.
There's already been done a lot of work on DX9 patches and implementations that would boost the current performance by maybe 100%.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;42574447]You know what is great about Linux? Old games don't HAVE to support Linux, because Wine exist. [B]In the future (and not a far-fetched one either)[/B], we'll be playing those games through Wine.
There's already been done a lot of work on DX9 patches and implementations that would boost the current performance by maybe 100%.[/QUOTE]
Really, because Wine doesn't even support DirectX 10 right now.
Why would I ever want to use a [B]gaming[/B] OS that won't let me play the vast majority of PC games without resorting to weird hacky methods that aren't even guaranteed to work?
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574428]I still don't think it will be very successful.
Current/old games will never get linux support, and I doubt most new big titles will see Linux releases either.
Even most steam games don't work on linux[/QUOTE]
That's not the point. Valve saw Win 8's and Apple's certifications as a direct counter to competition. You can't publish on either front without corporate approval and in say 4-10 years, this will be a huge issue as "hardcore" gaming is becoming more and more popular. Valve are making a beachhead now, so when that actually becomes an issue, when censorship and anti-competitive practices become the norm, their service will be the natural alternative.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574515]Really, because Wine doesn't even support DirectX 10 right now.
Why would I ever want to use a [B]gaming[/B] OS that won't let me play the vast majority of PC games without resorting to weird hacky methods that aren't even guaranteed to work?[/QUOTE]
A lot of games (old/new) run just fine on Linux using wine.
[url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2131]Evil Genius[/url]
[url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12827]Crysis 2[/url] (unpatched version works best)
[url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11123]StarCraft 2[/url]
[url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11544]World Of Tanks[/url]
[url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20703]World in Conflict[/url]
[QUOTE=mastersrp;42574447]You know what is great about Linux? Old games don't HAVE to support Linux, because Wine exist. In the future (and not a far-fetched one either), we'll be playing those games through Wine.
There's already been done a lot of work on DX9 patches and implementations that would boost the current performance by maybe 100%.[/QUOTE]
It'll support all of the major games that everyone plays, but I doubt patches would show up for games like World in Conflict, which is relatively dead and a DX9/DX10 hybrid.
[QUOTE=Worldwaker;42574413]More importantly, they know how to [I]keep[/I] making money.[/QUOTE]
And with that money they do crazy experiments that might or might not work, the Steam Machines being one of them.
Will it work? Will it fail? They don't care. They only care about what they learn from it and in the process they also tell the game industry what the market is ready for.
Almost everything Valve does is experiments, Steam itself was one, HL2 was an experiment in video-game storytelling, TF2 was full of experiments, the micro-transactions, the going F2P, letting the community make and sell cosmetics for the game, the marketplace.
Valve is great because they experiment like crazy, they keep it from stagnating.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574428]I still don't think it will be very successful.
Current/old games will never get linux support, and I doubt most new big titles will see Linux releases either.
Even most steam games don't work on linux[/QUOTE]
I guess they are aware that SteamOS might not being very successful since they allow for any other OS to be installed in it's place.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;42574447]You know what is great about Linux? Old games don't HAVE to support Linux, because Wine exist. In the future (and not a far-fetched one either), we'll be playing those games through Wine.
There's already been done a lot of work on DX9 patches and implementations that would boost the current performance by maybe 100%.[/QUOTE]
Wine is bad, for the user it's pretty much the same as emulating old consoles, buggy, takes time and effort to set up and never guaranteed to work. Wine is ok if you're both a linux hobbyist and a gamer, but if you just want to play games why would you bother doing all that shit when the game you want to play most likely works fine on windows?
And again, everyone forgets that the Steam Machine will allow for the streaming of Windows games with SteamOS.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42574428]I still don't think it will be very successful.
Current/old games will never get linux support, and I doubt most new big titles will see Linux releases either.
Even most steam games don't work on linux[/QUOTE]
Sega's porting that Total Rome 2 game to Linux because of SteamOS. I'm no Valve fanboy, but I can tell they thought about this long in advance.
SteamOS is suppose to support streaming from a Windows computer so lack of Linux support in games will be a minor annoyance for a lot of the initial crowd that would populate the platform.
Steam literally prints money for valve, they don't ever have to make a game again to remain profitable, they just take a cut from every sale on steam.
[QUOTE=Coffee;42574651]And again, everyone forgets that the Steam Machine will allow for the streaming of Windows games with SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
Because I totally want to stream my games.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574787]Because I totally want to stream my games.[/QUOTE]
Then use windows? The fuck is your problem mate.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;42574793]Then use windows? The fuck is your problem mate.[/QUOTE]
I really wanna switch to Linux. I hate using Windows, but I haven't found any Wine patches for some of the games I play. Then again, I haven't searched for it since two years ago.
Also, just in general, that's a really stupid answer for people looking for less input lag and the like, you [I]stream[/I] the game? Streaming completely destroys the entire purpose of switching over to SteamOS.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574809]I really wanna switch to Linux. I hate using Windows, but I haven't found any Wine patches for some of the games I play. Then again, I haven't searched for it since two years ago.
Also, just in general, that's a really stupid answer for people looking for less input lag and the like, you [I]stream[/I] the game? Streaming completely destroys the entire purpose of switching over to SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
What other option is there? Older games aren't going to be ported over, and most newer games won't yet be ported over, so you have the option to play them through streaming. There is no other way...
[QUOTE=mobrockers;42574816]What other option is there? Older games aren't going to be ported over, and most newer games won't yet be ported over, so you have the option to play them through streaming. There is no other way...[/QUOTE]
But you now it completely defeats the purpose.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574827]But you now it completely defeats the purpose.[/QUOTE]
The purpose of steamOS is big picture mode in your living room. It isn't meant for hardcore gaming, at all. This is why streaming IS a good alternative to native games.
[QUOTE=Coffee;42574651]And again, everyone forgets that the Steam Machine will allow for the streaming of Windows games with SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
And if you decide to have SteamOS on a PC there's nothing stopping you from dual booting with Windows.
[QUOTE=Rents;42574617]Wine is bad, for the user it's pretty much the same as emulating old consoles, buggy, takes time and effort to set up and never guaranteed to work. Wine is ok if you're both a linux hobbyist and a gamer, but if you just want to play games why would you bother doing all that shit when the game you want to play most likely works fine on windows?[/QUOTE]
Why not just buy an N64 to play N64 games? Why not just buy a Gameboy to play Gameboy games? Come on, these arguments are dead. Besides, It's not a PC that you're getting, but a CONSOLE. So play your games on your desktop PC with Windows 8 on it or whatever, you can still do that. This just brings new options to developers and what not, and more freedom to the console market. Which is good!
[QUOTE=mastersrp;42574926]Why not just buy an N64 to play N64 games? Why not just buy a Gameboy to play Gameboy games? Come on, these arguments are dead. Besides, It's not a PC that you're getting, but a CONSOLE. So play your games on your desktop PC with Windows 8 on it or whatever, you can still do that. This just brings new options to developers and what not, and more freedom to the console market. Which is good![/QUOTE]
I'm talking about convenience, emulation is easier than tracking down old consoles in working condition on ebay, it's not easier than booting windows or simply putting a disk in the tray if you already own a console. Unless a system supports games natively or with a minimum of fuss to get them working, people are simply just not going to play them on it because they can't be arsed figuring it out.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574809]I really wanna switch to Linux. I hate using Windows, but I haven't found any Wine patches for some of the games I play. Then again, I haven't searched for it since two years ago.
Also, just in general, that's a really stupid answer for people looking for less input lag and the like, you [I]stream[/I] the game? Streaming completely destroys the entire purpose of switching over to SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
Dualboot Sir, dualboot. Rebooting into another OS that you've slimmed down just for specific games makes the boot time in 20~ seconds, less.
[QUOTE=Rents;42575122]I'm talking about convenience, emulation is easier than tracking down old consoles in working condition on ebay, it's not easier than booting windows or simply putting a disk in the tray if you already own a console. Unless a system supports games natively or with a minimum of fuss to get them working, people are simply just not going to play them on it because they can't be arsed figuring it out.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, but it doesn't have to be a mess to play the games through wine. I've personally never had to configure or set up anything. PlayOnLinux sorts that out for you, so why shouldn't SteamOS be able to do the same thing?
[editline]19th October 2013[/editline]
In certain games, you'll even get better frame time than on Windows.
[editline]19th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574571]It'll support all of the major games that everyone plays, but I doubt patches would show up for games like World in Conflict, which is relatively dead and a DX9/DX10 hybrid.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20703&iTestingId=63863[/url]
Seems that it works pretty well on older versions of Wine. I don't have the game, so I can't test it with more recent revisions of Wine, but if it runs fine on 1.3.20, then it could just be locked to that revision in SteamOS, and you'd be able to play the game fine in DX9 mode.
[QUOTE=Satane;42574835]Its a cheap solution for gaming on the couch and one of the top selling points for the steam box (at least for me).[/QUOTE]
Buying a whole other computer just so you can play games from your first computer on the TV is the cheap option? And I get the appeal of playing games on your couch, what's with this recent marketing trend making it out to be like they just invented the Holodeck?
i thought the cool thing was the move to a more open OS by a exceptionally influential company
which would hopefully set the introduction for more companies to support the OS and eventually make it a 'serious' gaming OS
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574809]I really wanna switch to Linux. I hate using Windows, but I haven't found any Wine patches for some of the games I play. Then again, I haven't searched for it since two years ago.
Also, just in general, that's a really stupid answer for people looking for less input lag and the like, you [I]stream[/I] the game? Streaming completely destroys the entire purpose of switching over to SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
Streaming over a LAN the added lag is going to be pretty low. Most TVs probably add more, but all streaming is for is a solution for games that don't support Linux. For games to come to Linux there needs to be a market, and for there to be a market there needs to be more games easily playable. That's what valve's doing, SteamOS is currently something used to compliment a gaming PC, not a replacement. As the market grows more developers will start building or porting their games for Linux and it will become more viable as a standalone gaming system.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42574809]I really wanna switch to Linux. I hate using Windows, but I haven't found any Wine patches for some of the games I play. Then again, I haven't searched for it since two years ago.
Also, just in general, that's a really stupid answer for people looking for less input lag and the like, you [I]stream[/I] the game? Streaming completely destroys the entire purpose of switching over to SteamOS.[/QUOTE]
Network makers know what they're doing. They design those things for low latency. Over a LAN, you're looking at less than a millisecond of lag.
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