Hello I have the choice of getting a 60Hz matte screen, or a 120Hz glossy screen for my laptop. Which would be the best choice?
I'd go for the matte screen, glossy screens can be annoying when sitting outside or anywhere with a light behind you. Doesn't even have to be behind you, even sitting near a window is a no.
most of the time I won't have light behind me, I heard 120hz will make everything look smoother, which sounds good.
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I also heard it can cause input lag which is instant no, but I can't confirm that. So if anyone could confirm / convince me that there won't be any input lag on 120hz would be great
120Hz will only make things smoother if the laptop can run it smoother.
Think Hz as FPS, if your game runs at 60 FPS, you're still only gonna see it at 60 FPS not 120 FPS. Most movies are 24 FPS, it will still run at 24 FPS. Hz is really a limiter for how much FPS you can see, to put it very simply.
Just keep that in mind.
Glossy screen is a nono. I don't even why people like them, you almost have to always use it in the dark not to be able to see yourself staring back at you in the background of facepunch.
[QUOTE=wingless;32905141]120Hz will only make things smoother if the laptop can run it smoother.
Think Hz as FPS, if your game runs at 60 FPS, you're still only gonna see it at 60 FPS not 120 FPS. Most movies are 24 FPS, it will still run at 24 FPS. Hz is really a limiter for how much FPS you can see, to put it very simply.
Just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]
A 24 fps movie on a 100 hz screen wil show 100hz. the screen will extrapolate the frames in between and show them. 100/24 is around 4 so it will show screen 1, then a mix of 0.75% of frame one and 0.25% of frame 2. Then 50/50 ect.
Vice versa a 100fps movie on a 24 fps screen will update the screen 4 times in one refreshment cycle causing tearing.
Conclusion. 24 fps will look smoother on a 100hz monitor then a 50hz.
Oh and glossy screens generally produce more vibrant and accurate colours at the cost of reflections. Good glossy screens have an anti glare layer on them.
[QUOTE=taipan;32906814]A 24 fps movie on a 100 hz screen wil show 100hz. the screen will extrapolate the frames in between and show them. 100/24 is around 4 so it will show screen 1, then a mix of 0.75% of frame one and 0.25% of frame 2. Then 50/50 ect.[/QUOTE]
No it won't. Frame interpolation isn't done automatically by PC monitors. A 24FPS movie on a 60Hz screen will look just as smooth as on a 120Hz screen. Some 120Hz TVs will have a frame interpolation mode but you're going to need specialised software like [url=http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Main_Page]SVP[/url] if you want it on a PC.
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And the colour reproduction on glossy screens [i]is[/i] better, so unless you're gonna be using it next to a window just get the higher specced glossy one.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32907225]A 24FPS movie on a 60Hz screen will look just as smooth as on a 120Hz screen.[/QUOTE]
120hz has no pulldown though, so unless the 60hz screen can display true 24hz, the 120hz will be smoother at displaying ~24fps content
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;32908173]120hz has no pulldown though, so unless the 60hz screen can display true 24hz, the 120hz will be smoother at displaying ~24fps content[/QUOTE]
Perhaps but I heard you can get input lag on a 120hz screen if you don't get high enough fps, compared to a 60hz screen. is this true?
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32907225]No it won't. Frame interpolation isn't done automatically by PC monitors. A 24FPS movie on a 60Hz screen will look just as smooth as on a 120Hz screen. Some 120Hz TVs will have a frame interpolation mode but you're going to need specialised software like [url=http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Main_Page]SVP[/url] if you want it on a PC.
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[B]And the colour reproduction on glossy screens [i]is[/i] better[/B], so unless you're gonna be using it next to a window just get the higher specced glossy one.[/QUOTE]
lol no it isn't, it's far worse compared to matte screens
people like glossy screens because it makes colors a lot more saturated and "good" looking
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is there no 120 Hz matte option? personally I would get the 120 Hz screen after using my monitor for so long, but I don't see the need for it on a laptop considering you probably aren't ever going to get above 60 FPS and I doubt the CPU is good enough to do consistent frame interpolation for movies
Glossy isn't bad if you don't mind glare and won't be using it in an enviornment that would have lots of glare
In ideal conditions, glossy screens produce better pictures. They tend to be more vibrant and produce better contrast, as well as being very slightly "crisper". But obviously they suffer from glare. And as such, its much harder to get to that "ideal" condition
Matte doesn't have glare issues, and looks pretty good still, but they will always tend to have smaller viewing angles, be slightly "fuzzier" compaired to their glossy cousins (very subtle though), and tend to not be as vibrant.
I'd suggest Matte seeing as they generally work great in all conditions while that isn't the case with glossy screens.
The ideal solution would be to get an IPS matte monitor, as they tend to look amazing without needing a glossy screen to do so. Of course you can't (currently) get IPS in 120hz but you only really need 120hz anyways if you play a lot of games or want to watch 3D content.
[QUOTE=Odellus;32909425]lol no it isn't, it's far worse compared to matte screens
people like glossy screens because it makes colors a lot more saturated and "good" looking
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I'm just quoting what everyone seems to say.
[QUOTE=KorJax;32909913]Glossy isn't bad if you don't mind glare and won't be using it in an enviornment that would have lots of glare
In ideal conditions, glossy screens produce better pictures. They tend to be more vibrant and produce better contrast, as well as being very slightly "crisper". But obviously they suffer from glare. And as such, its much harder to get to that "ideal" condition
Matte doesn't have glare issues, and looks pretty good still, but they will always tend to have smaller viewing angles, be slightly "fuzzier" compaired to their glossy cousins (very subtle though), and tend to not be as vibrant.
I'd suggest Matte seeing as they generally work great in all conditions while that isn't the case with glossy screens.
The ideal solution would be to get an IPS matte monitor, as they tend to look amazing without needing a glossy screen to do so. Of course you can't (currently) get IPS in 120hz but you only really need 120hz anyways if you play a lot of games or want to watch 3D content.[/QUOTE]
again, glossy does nothing but sacrifice color accuracy for a more pleasant looking picture (saturated colors)
where are you getting this "fuzzy" and smaller viewing angles shit? that's dependent of the panel type and quality, not screen coating
[QUOTE=Odellus;32911127]again, glossy does nothing but sacrifice color accuracy for a more pleasant looking picture (saturated colors)
where are you getting this "fuzzy" and smaller viewing angles shit? that's dependent of the panel type and quality, not screen coating[/QUOTE]
Personal experience and some sources of course...
[url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/tips/4213062[/url]
[quote]Matte screens tend to handle glare better, due to a polarized coating over the glass that diffuses ambient light. A side effect of the matte finish is a slight blurring, reduced contrast and a narrower viewing angle. [/quote]
[url]http://www.tested.com/news/glossy-vs-matte-lcds-the-great-display-debate/238/[/url]
[quote]However, there are drawbacks. While the amount of reflected light may be greatly reduced, that same diffusion layer can also affect the image produced by the LCD itself. Light from the displays backlight is diffused too, and can cause a hazy, washed out image in certain conditions, with lighter black tones and an overall reduction in contrast.
Glossy screens attempt to solve this problem, instead using a smooth coating applied to the top of the LCD. This coating acts as one giant polarizer, allowing light to freely pass through the filter, without being diffused. As a result, colors remain incredibly bright, saturated and accurate in almost all situations, with even deeper blacks as well. However, the lack of diffusion means glare can be particularly noticeable on these types of displays — sometimes even debilitating in the case of Apple's MacBook Pro models.[/quote]
lol great sources, too bad I've never read anything like that on any of the many reviews published on websites that actually test the monitor (anandtech, tftcentral) instead of, essentially, using the monitor and then writing a review
you can't EVEN say that colors are accurate without testing the monitor, nor can you make such a stupid comment as "colors remain incredibly bright, [B]saturated and accurate[/B]"; really shows that the writer doesn't know anything other than the definitions of matte and glossy coatings
if you didn't know, more saturation = less accurate
also, being as I own monitors of both types, it's easy to say that even if you're in a dark room, whenever there's a lot of black in the picture it doesn't matter how deep the blacks are if you can see a not-so-faint mirror image of everything in front of the monitor
I always preferred glossy screens because they're more vivid and just look nicer [b]in my opinion.[/b]
I haven't really had a personal experience with higher quality matte monitors though so I can't comment on whether KorJax is correct or not, even though it sounds like he would be.
Get the 120Hz glossy, it will probably look better.
I have two matte screens and I like them. Not a lot of problems with using them on day ( FUCKING SUCKS WITH MY FATHERS LAPTOPS GLOSSY SCREEN ) and I don't need them to be with a PERFECT color.
Fathers laptops glossy screen only annoys me on day. And only when sun is shining and I have that laptop on a place where the sun shines.
Otherwise, it is okay.
I don't get the hate for glossy screens, I've used my friends Macbook outside on a sunny day and it looks fine. Indoors they look a lot nicer than matte as well IMO.
[QUOTE=K3inMitl3id;32919408]I always preferred glossy screens because they're more vivid and just look nicer [b]in my opinion.[/b]
I haven't really had a personal experience with higher quality matte monitors though so I can't comment on whether KorJax is correct or not, even though it sounds like he would be.[/QUOTE]
Panel type will always trump screen coating though. A TN glossy screen will probably look more saturated when compared to another TN matte(whether somebody thinks this looks better is personal preference). But there's a reason why you can't buy glossy P-IPS monitors, the color quality and contrast is to a point where the matte doesn't really lower the image quality.
I would go for the Glossy if it's the same price simply because 120Hz has no pulldown when watching videos.
Matte screens, you have to almost look square at it to get the best quality. If you're too below it, the screen will get darker and if you're too above it, the picture will be too bright. From sides, the viewing angle is fantastic, but you have to get that perfect up/down angle. Trying to wall mount my 29" TV/Monitor was frustrating as hell because my desk is below where the monitor is.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;32921945]Matte screens, you have to almost look square at it to get the best quality. If you're too below it, the screen will get darker and if you're too above it, the picture will be too bright. From sides, the viewing angle is fantastic, but you have to get that perfect up/down angle. Trying to wall mount my 29" TV/Monitor was frustrating as hell because my desk is below where the monitor is.[/QUOTE]
Not if it's an IPS based matte screen.
Just get either one now, don't spend shitload of time thinking about it.
"someone dislikes my misinformed and ignorant purchase, ghost rate!!!!!11"
I'd buy the 120hz screen and apply a sheet of matte screen protectors over it. This way you'll get the best of both worlds.
I bought a Benq XL2410T a month ago and it's 120hz monitor and I gotta say that things that are under 100 fps looks slightly choppy, but if I'm using a 60hz screen it would look alright. And the difference in Hz is not that visible. So I think that you should get a 60hz screen, unless you're going to use Nvidia 3D Vision, but since you're getting a laptop that would be impossible unless you buy a 3D vision laptop.
[QUOTE=En Bengt;32989989]I bought a Benq XL2410T a month ago and it's 120hz monitor and I gotta say that things that are under 100 fps looks slightly choppy, but if I'm using a 60hz screen it would look alright.[/QUOTE]
That shouldn't be the case
And isn't for me
[QUOTE=FFStudios;32921945]Matte screens, you have to almost look square at it to get the best quality. If you're too below it, the screen will get darker and if you're too above it, the picture will be too bright. From sides, the viewing angle is fantastic, but you have to get that perfect up/down angle. Trying to wall mount my 29" TV/Monitor was frustrating as hell because my desk is below where the monitor is.[/QUOTE]
I thought this effect was due to the panels, not the coating applied on top. Certainly my laptop's glossy TN screen exhibits this problem far more than my matte 24" TN.
what he said is present in every TN panel that exists
viewing angle has nothing to do with the screen coating
For me it is too bright when I am looking it from down. I have two 19" monitors side by side. Both are TN panels. Viewing angle from down to up is shitty only on one. And it goes brighter not darker for me.
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