I upgraded my PC a couple of days ago with a new motherboard, an i5-2310 Quad core CPU and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. Everything seemed to work nicely all the way until I tried to actually use the new processing power. As soon as I start any at least a bit resource intensive game I get some graphical distortion (some 8 or 10 pixels in a horizontal line in wrong colour), and soon my monitor starts blacking out for 1-3 seconds at a time.
I first thought it was a PSU problem, but any calculators I try say my current one (500W) is enough. Then I thought it was my UPS problem (650VA/360W) and I switched my monitor and speakers to an unprotected socket, yet the problem persists.
Just in case it matters, I use a HDTV as a monitor (1920x1080, 60Hz), connected by a DVI to HDMI adapter.
Also noticed the graphical distortion in WMC (Weird, right?).
Specs:
Intel i5-2310 Quad core
2x4GB DDR3 RAM
Nvidia 9500GT (hopefully upgraded soon)
Some new mobo (I can look up the exact name if needed)
500W PSU
2 7200rpm hard drives
A tv receiver and a 3G modem constantly connected by USB
Both Newegg and eXtreme PSU calculators say I need a 350-400W PSU (15% capacitor aging) so I doubt that's the problem.
So, any ideas?
Try reseating your GPU. Maybe it didn't sit properly when you installed it on your new mobo.
If that doesn't help, I suspect GPU failure from wear/movement from being removed and installed again.
Definitely sounds like your GPU is failing like the above poster said. You might as well upgrade now.
So it may be. Believe me, if I had the money, I would. But for now reducing the core clock by ~100Hz seems to 'solve' this problem in exchange for some frames. Would it be possible that these were the effects of my attempted GPU overclock, even though this is a new win7 install?
What is the exact PSU model?
[editline]16th November 2011[/editline]
And PSU calculators are shit.
It's actually from a pre-built and the exact details are unknown.
It does, however, have "sl-500G" written on it.
[img]http://content.onliner.by/forum/201/f0c/419692/800x800/2ae43be919158e964195cc270d62cc2e.jpg[/img]
(Not mine, but the amperages are the same. And mine's grey, if that matters.)
I would probably get a new one, whether you're buying a new GPU or not.
May I ask for your reasoning? The voltages seem to be okay, except maybe the 12V (it's 11,9 most of the time).
Well, it's cheap. I'm not the master of PSUs, so I can't really tell what's inherently wrong with it, but cheap capacitors and other skimping makes it more likely to fail, and many cheap PSUs do things like that in order to be, well, cheap. Just saying I wouldn't like it powering my i5 build, and I would definitely not let it power one if I was buying a better card than that.
In that case, advise noted. Is there any (much?) danger that if it fails it will take something else with it?
Yup. That's why I wouldn't use it. Also, if you buy a new PSU and it isn't that, we can probably say that it's the motherboard.
For sure I hope it's not the motherboard, but it's under warranty so that should be no problem. Thank you for your time.
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Are you buying a new PSU or what? You should get one recommended first.
Recommended? By who, the Facepunch Certified PSU Upgrade Volunteering Advisors? You, maybe?
What would be your budget?
Aw forgot to check back after your ban.
So it would seem the problem is with the GPU clocks. Setting it to 440/1100/333 almost solved the problem. It now only happens if heavily loaded for an hour or more, and then it only happens a couple of times an hour. Probably by lowering it even lower it would completely disappear, but that's just too many frames lost. I don't really see how this is related to the PSU, but I guess details help.
Anyway, my 'current' budget is about 600LTL (some 230 USD) and (slowly) increasing. It's better to delay the GPU upgrade rather than fry something, right?
Oh and since I mentioned GPUs, any suggestions for that too? No SLI or anything. Preferably Nvidia.
If lowering your clocks helped, it's probably because your PSU can't keep up with the power demand (that's a suspiciously big difference for a 9500GT, though). And yes, I'd say get a new PSU before you get a new GPU. Can you point me to a Lithuanian site?
Do you mean a Lithuanian E-Shop?
I'm going to assume yes and paste a couple of links for the PSU pages:
[url]http://www.fortakas.lt/Staliniu_komp._komponentai/Korpusu_mait._saltiniai/CatalogStore.aspx?CatID=PL_225[/url]
...and the other one has no PSU section. Though if, for any reason, you would want the address its [url]http://www.mediashop.lt[/url]
Also, the 'difference' is referring to? You know how it is with non-native languages.
[editline]23rd November 2011[/editline]
Also, GPU section: [url]http://www.fortakas.lt/Staliniu_komp._komponentai/Vaizdo_plokstes_%28VGA%29/CatalogStore.aspx?CatID=PL_233[/url]
The hell is wrong with mediashop, it no longer has any (visible) categories for internal components.
[QUOTE=Virus_Zero;33397527]Do you mean a Lithuanian E-Shop?
I'm going to assume yes and paste a couple of links for the PSU pages:
[url]http://www.fortakas.lt/Staliniu_komp._komponentai/Korpusu_mait._saltiniai/CatalogStore.aspx?CatID=PL_225[/url]
...and the other one has no PSU section. Though if, for any reason, you would want the address its [url]http://www.mediashop.lt[/url]
Also, the 'difference' is referring to? You know how it is with non-native languages.
[editline]23rd November 2011[/editline]
Also, GPU section: [url]http://www.fortakas.lt/Staliniu_komp._komponentai/Vaizdo_plokstes_%28VGA%29/CatalogStore.aspx?CatID=PL_233[/url]
The hell is wrong with mediashop, it no longer has any (visible) categories for internal components.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how much this is in your currency, but hee you go: [url]http://www.fortakas.lt/Korpusu_mait._saltiniai/Cooler_Master/CM_GX_PSU_550W_12CM_ATX12V2.31/RS550-ACAAD3-EU/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_225&ID=390547[/url]
It has two 6+2-pin connectors, so you'll be able to run most cards on this. If you aren't getting a card that requires two 6-pin connectors, you can save money on gettign the 430W version. It'll make your build less upgradeable, though. What I meant with difference is, that the 9500GT really doesn't draw much power. Lowering the clock on it shouldn't do much, as it doesn't really require much energy in the first place. You might want to check out other things as well, like checking your HDD and RAM. Download HDTune or something like that, and do an error scan. If you have a CD lying around, you can try downloading MemTest86 and running that as well. Try checking all connections as well, just in case.
Well, of course it can't draw much power as it has no additional power inputs. Any advice for the GPU when I'm done with the PSU?
'Checking the connections'... that isn't exactly easy, as my MoBo is barely fitting into my case, don't know the naming. That, and my cable management is a huge mess. Mostly the latter.
It's also a bit strange as my CPU power consumption max is 30W higher than the last one, yet the UPS shows the same load level. Even lower if it's idling. But, I guess, you can never know.
And also, do you think a 360W/650VA UPS be enough?
Running HD Tune error scan now, the Health section says 'warning' in Ultra 'DMA CRC Error Count'. The other drive also says warning at 'Calibration retry count', I have no idea what that means. Now, MemTest might be a little bit of a problem. You see, I use this PC as a TV Recorder (Using WMC and an USB tuner), and I don't exactly wish to lose the current series being broadcast. But, seeing as Windows was able to leak 6/8 GB successfully, it's probably fine, as it would leak 3/4GB when I only had 4.
A brief google search suggested that you should try a different SATA cable, but I'm pretty sure it should be no problem. And why are you talking about the size of the windows folder?
Huh, I switched my old ones for the new ones which came with the MoBo. DIdn't have much choice really, these were the only ones with a 90 degree turned connector... messed up the wording there, didn't I?
Excuse me if I was unclear, but I meant the RAM. AFAIK if a corrupted address/portion of it is used the system should crash. I'll try running MemTest overnight though.
PS. HD Tune error checks reported all green.
Okay, cool. If MemTest86 checks out fine (and I'm pretty damn sure that it will) it's either the mobo or the PSU.
Since you are such a pro assistant, more details:
Motherboard: [url]http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H61/[/url]
RAM: 2xADATA 4GB DDR3 1333
Also, may I ask how much time do you spend in FP everyday?
[QUOTE=Virus_Zero;33401428]Since you are such a pro assistant, more details:
Motherboard: [url]http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H61/[/url]
RAM: 2xADATA 4GB DDR3 1333
Also, may I ask how much time do you spend in FP everyday?[/QUOTE]
Too much.
Well, ASUS is quality, possibly the best, so it seems unlikely. I can't say anything more from the motherboard, really. I'd still put my money on the PSU.
From personal experience I wouldn't say ASUS = quality, but that's just the old A8R-MVP (if I remember correctly) that lost integrated audio and the unfixable 'chasis open, will not boot unless all power removed from CMOS' thing. Hear of either problem? It's now sitting on top of a table collecting dust. Hey, at least the 3V battery now lives a useful life.
Also, funny thing. I remember that MoBo's name yet not the model of my other two. Guess it's all the time googling for solutions that burned the name into memory.
An 'update' about a temporary 'solution'. I attempted using a VGA connection instead of DVI, and,seemingly, there are no anomalies in VGA where if I switch to HDMI it's a mess with just firefox due to the screen mirroring. This can't be just a coincidence, right?
Oh and shadows, shadows everywhere. But shadows are better than blackouts.
And another 'funny' thing. For some reason my MoBo temp sensors report the temps at 70-80C, no matter idling or busy. Related?
Your mobo shouldnt have a temp sensor afaik..
The ghosting is coming from you VGA cable. Screw it in properly or get a better one.
HDMI fucking up might be your GPU.
My ATi HD4650 fucks up one port when I OC it. The monitor starts flashing etc.
I didn't actually consider that. Might spare you a PSU until you buy the new card.
[QUOTE=tratzzz;33475037]Your mobo shouldnt have a temp sensor afaik..
The ghosting is coming from you VGA cable. Screw it in properly or get a better one.
HDMI fucking up might be your GPU.
My ATi HD4650 fucks up one port when I OC it. The monitor starts flashing etc.[/QUOTE]
The ghosting was what made me switch over to HDMI in the first place, but I guess I'll have to get by like this now.
The thing is, even if I underclock it some 1/3 of the way to the minimum, it's still doing that.
As for the MoBo temp sensor:
[IMG]http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6265/speccyd.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33475664]I didn't actually consider that. Might spare you a PSU until you buy the new card.[/QUOTE]
Until I buy the card... Do you mean I should still buy the PSU together with the gpu, or buy gpu, then see if the problem's gone?
[editline]2nd December 2011[/editline]
Yes, yes, I did not OC my i5 yet.
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