• ASUS Optimal Setting = System Freeze without BSOD.
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Hey, it's me again. Specs: CPU: FX-8350 Not overclocked. GPU: GTX 970 Strix (Clocked via GPU tweak but not any other way) RAM: Kingston KHX1866C9D3/4GX (4gb x 2 sticks) - 3 years old, Clocks: 11-11-11-28 PSU: FirePower ZT Series 750W 80Plus MOB: M5A97 R2.0 Problem: So I have my bios unchanged completely (except Cool'n'Quiet disabled). But my PC under-performs (mentioned in other threads). So I tried setting ASUS Setting to Optimal (3 speedometers when you enter BIOS) usually it's Normal. I can play games well, performance actually goes up a bit (3DMark gives 2000 More score in FireStrike) but after few minutes of games whole system just Freezes up and I have to hard reset it (button). No BSOD or anything. Now here is an interesting fact: I have this ram since the old PC (Had Intel Pentium G830 I think) so when I bought FX 8350 and This Mobo I sold the rest but kept ram and PSU. Even then Optimal setting didn't work, which I assume indicates it's related to RAM or PSU? Thoughts? Could RAM be reason why my PC under-performs, takes long to render videos or 3D and scores only 7171 in FireStrike (mostly fails at Combined Score). Should I get new RAM or PSU? If I run PC at Normal ASUS setting it runs fine and there are no freeze ups besides long processing and failing at games. I know my FX-8350 isn't a best but still it should do better than it does now.
What voltage, timings and mhz is your ram running at in 'optimal' vs normally?
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;47050270]What voltage, timings and mhz is your ram running at in 'optimal' vs normally?[/QUOTE] Just checked, they are identical voltage and frequency
My 83[I]20[/I] and m5a97R2 actual would freeze after around 16 hours of uptime. Then continually until it sat for some time off (over night) I wonder if this is a common complaint? Run memory tester to test your memory. It's probably not that to be honest given that it wasn't my problem. Also try running mprime for a few minutes and see if freezes. If you can reproduce the problem it would be good to know. Granted you mentioned this I looked up some links: [URL]http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?43811-M5A97-R2-0-Freezes-when-LLC-is-enabled[/URL] [URL]http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/38231-computer-completely-freezes-when-gaming.html[/URL] (Different MOBO?) [URL]http://www.overclock.net/t/1414246/new-fx-8350-build-freezing#post_20561538[/URL] (Mentions that he had problems with our mobo.) If you manage to figure anything out, I'd be appreciative to know. I'm using a new intel build but I still want to use my old build or sell it, but don't want to sell it knowing it can fail like that. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] More tests, was able to freeze my m5a97r2 / FX-8320 machine in around 1 minute of running mprime. Just turned it on too.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;47051723]My 83[I]20[/I] and m5a97R2 actual would freeze after around 16 hours of uptime. Then continually until it sat for some time off (over night) I wonder if this is a common complaint? Run memory tester to test your memory. It's probably not that to be honest given that it wasn't my problem. Also try running mprime for a few minutes and see if freezes. If you can reproduce the problem it would be good to know. Granted you mentioned this I looked up some links: [URL]http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?43811-M5A97-R2-0-Freezes-when-LLC-is-enabled[/URL] [URL]http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/38231-computer-completely-freezes-when-gaming.html[/URL] (Different MOBO?) [URL]http://www.overclock.net/t/1414246/new-fx-8350-build-freezing#post_20561538[/URL] (Mentions that he had problems with our mobo.) If you manage to figure anything out, I'd be appreciative to know. I'm using a new intel build but I still want to use my old build or sell it, but don't want to sell it knowing it can fail like that. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] More tests, was able to freeze my m5a97r2 / FX-8320 machine in around 1 minute of running mprime. Just turned it on too.[/QUOTE] So that means what? [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbat;47051723]My 83[I]20[/I] and m5a97R2 actual would freeze after around 16 hours of uptime. Then continually until it sat for some time off (over night) I wonder if this is a common complaint? Run memory tester to test your memory. It's probably not that to be honest given that it wasn't my problem. Also try running mprime for a few minutes and see if freezes. If you can reproduce the problem it would be good to know. Granted you mentioned this I looked up some links: [URL]http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?43811-M5A97-R2-0-Freezes-when-LLC-is-enabled[/URL] [URL]http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/38231-computer-completely-freezes-when-gaming.html[/URL] (Different MOBO?) [URL]http://www.overclock.net/t/1414246/new-fx-8350-build-freezing#post_20561538[/URL] (Mentions that he had problems with our mobo.) If you manage to figure anything out, I'd be appreciative to know. I'm using a new intel build but I still want to use my old build or sell it, but don't want to sell it knowing it can fail like that. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] More tests, was able to freeze my m5a97r2 / FX-8320 machine in around 1 minute of running mprime. Just turned it on too.[/QUOTE] Just downloaded mprime, running some test which says Main Thread and then there is 8 Workers. 13 mins and no problem yet.
Ran Prime95. Small FFT test: After 30 minutes worker #5 stopped saying: "FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4" Then after 2-3 minutes BSOD. in blendtest: After 11 minutes, Worker #8 said: "FATAL ERROR: Final result was 61BFAA18, expected: B0C85136." So that one stopped. Others still running fine. Can this mean anything?
For Prime95 the most common reason I've had it fail or crash (outside of unstable CPU clocks) is bad RAM. Use memtest to test your memory.
Optimal in ASUS bios will basically just overclock your CPU a little. Check the temperatures, make sure it doesn't thermal-lock. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbat;47051723]My 83[I]20[/I] and m5a97R2 actual would freeze after around 16 hours of uptime. Then continually until it sat for some time off (over night) I wonder if this is a common complaint? Run memory tester to test your memory. It's probably not that to be honest given that it wasn't my problem. Also try running mprime for a few minutes and see if freezes. If you can reproduce the problem it would be good to know. Granted you mentioned this I looked up some links: [URL]http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?43811-M5A97-R2-0-Freezes-when-LLC-is-enabled[/URL] [URL]http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/38231-computer-completely-freezes-when-gaming.html[/URL] (Different MOBO?) [URL]http://www.overclock.net/t/1414246/new-fx-8350-build-freezing#post_20561538[/URL] (Mentions that he had problems with our mobo.) If you manage to figure anything out, I'd be appreciative to know. I'm using a new intel build but I still want to use my old build or sell it, but don't want to sell it knowing it can fail like that. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] More tests, was able to freeze my m5a97r2 / FX-8320 machine in around 1 minute of running mprime. Just turned it on too.[/QUOTE] Some brands of ram + AMD 9xx chip-sets can create some trouble, especially on higher ram speeds. You can drop the speed from 1866 to 1600, that will likely make it run stable. If you want to run it at full speed, what i did to get it stable is set the command rate from 1T to 2T, and increase the voltage on the ram to 1.65 [url]http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/752883-Asus-Sabertooth-990FX-R2-0-Amd-FX-9590-HyperX-FURY-RAM[/url]
[QUOTE=Cold;47055719]Optimal in ASUS bios will basically just overclock your CPU a little. Check the temperatures, make sure it doesn't thermal-lock. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] Some brands of ram + AMD 9xx chip-sets can create some trouble, especially on higher ram speeds. You can drop the speed from 1866 to 1600, that will likely make it run stable. If you want to run it at full speed, what i did to get it stable is set the command rate from 1T to 2T, and increase the voltage on the ram to 1.65 [url]http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/752883-Asus-Sabertooth-990FX-R2-0-Amd-FX-9590-HyperX-FURY-RAM[/url][/QUOTE] So you are saying I should set ASUS to Optimal, run Prime95 and monitor temperatures and see what happens?
[QUOTE=KinderBueno;47055833]So you are saying I should set ASUS to Optimal, run Prime95 and monitor temperatures and see what happens?[/QUOTE] Just have something like hwmonitor open, and then just do w/e it takes to make your PC freeze (running prime 95 would be fine if that works) Then when your system locks/freezes just take a picture of the hwmonitor window.
[QUOTE=Cold;47055879]Just have something like hwmonitor open, and then just do w/e it takes to make your PC freeze (running prime 95 would be fine if that works) Then when your system locks/freezes just take a picture of the hwmonitor window.[/QUOTE] Okay I will try that. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] Restarted with Optimal, still fine, temperatures are jumping like crazy though, it falls down to 30 Deg then jumps instant to 42/45 then 35 and so on. Voltage is also jumps, max is 1.356V vor CPU VCORE setting. Will try running some stuff. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] This is some bullshit, tried out many games that used to freeze up PC before, tried to crash PC using various shit like combining games like AC Unity + Recording video and nothing, temp goes max up to 66 C and stays solid at that. Even more, I managed to make my AC Unity run at 60 fps without AA or 35-40 fps with all settings maxed out. Seriously, my only assumption here is that it's RAM, I mean ram is usually randomly accessed? Could it be somehow that some sectors/pieces of RAM are damaged and it just happens that it never uses that part, but sometimes it does - then PC freezes? Any way I can turn on mem test and leave it running for the night but somehow reduce CPU power to minimum? My problem is that my room is about 4x4 meters (yes a hobbit room) and PC heats it up quick, I don't wanna suffocate during sleep. So any way to leave it overnight while CPU is barely used or something?
[QUOTE=Cold;47055719]Optimal in ASUS bios will basically just overclock your CPU a little. Check the temperatures, make sure it doesn't thermal-lock. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] Some brands of ram + AMD 9xx chip-sets can create some trouble, especially on higher ram speeds. You can drop the speed from 1866 to 1600, that will likely make it run stable. If you want to run it at full speed, what i did to get it stable is set the command rate from 1T to 2T, and increase the voltage on the ram to 1.65 [url]http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/752883-Asus-Sabertooth-990FX-R2-0-Amd-FX-9590-HyperX-FURY-RAM[/url][/QUOTE] I have this RAM: [url]http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3683258[/url] This is 1600MHz ram, I think it's set to that in BIOS. (The machine is headless so it's hard to get into the BIOS) [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;47055449]For Prime95 the most common reason I've had it fail or crash (outside of unstable CPU clocks) is bad RAM. Use memtest to test your memory.[/QUOTE] I used a bootable memory test. It ran for several hours with no problem as well. FYI: Unless other good idea's area going to come up I'm going to set the memory clock to 1600MHZ in the BIOS and ensure its not auto.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;47056382]I have this RAM: [url]http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3683258[/url] This is 1600MHz ram, I think it's set to that in BIOS. (The machine is headless so it's hard to get into the BIOS) [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] I used a bootable memory test. It ran for several hours with no problem as well. FYI: Unless other good idea's area going to come up I'm going to set the memory clock to 1600MHZ in the BIOS and ensure its not auto.[/QUOTE] What a coincidence, I have same ram except 2x 4gb. But heatsink is a bit more modern looking. Coincidence with problems? I hope not :v: (Hope not because then it definitely I hope indicates problem for both of us) Well same brand, I think mine is 1333 [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] Oh wait what the fuck, turns out mine is 1866 Mhz. Fuck me I am stupid.
Grabbed the GPU from this computer and slapped it in the other one, changed the memory clock on the BIOS from auto -> 1600. Ran mprime for around 10 minutes, no crashes. Took the GPU back out, going to run it headless with mprime and make sure it still works. Might have just solved it with that. Perhaps the dynamic memory clock was causing issues.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;47056625]Grabbed the GPU from this computer and slapped it in the other one, changed the memory clock on the BIOS from auto -> 1600. Ran mprime for around 10 minutes, no crashes. Took the GPU back out, going to run it headless with mprime and make sure it still works. Might have just solved it with that. Perhaps the dynamic memory clock was causing issues.[/QUOTE] I might force my RAM to 1600 too then, somehow I was suggested that before but I thought my ram is 1333 so I didn't bother, now that I find it's more than 1600 I might just try that.
Spoke too soon, froze again.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;47056644]Spoke too soon, froze again.[/QUOTE] Your just freezes and has to be hard reset or BSOD? Also worth mentioning: I did Prime95 test today and got BSOD on the first test (when you launch Prime95 there is 3 tests, i mean the 1st one), analyzed BSOD and it lead it do Avast for some reason.
Freezes, have to hold the power button, not even reset works. I'm not using windows.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;47056722]Freezes, have to hold the power button, not even reset works. I'm not using windows.[/QUOTE] Oh right, well I will try to clock mine down anyway and see tomorrow what's happening, hopefully shit turns stable.
[QUOTE=KinderBueno;47056675]Your just freezes and has to be hard reset or BSOD? Also worth mentioning: I did Prime95 test today and got BSOD on the first test (when you launch Prime95 there is 3 tests, i mean the 1st one), analyzed BSOD and it lead it do Avast for some reason.[/QUOTE] Unless the the stack-trace consistently points to the same driver, it doesn't mean anything. [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbat;47056644]Spoke too soon, froze again.[/QUOTE] Well you can try setting the command rate from 1T to 2T, and increasing the voltage slightly. You could also lower the ram speed from 1600 to 1338 (i think thats one step lower), see if that helps. Kinda annoying you have to do all of this from bios on a headless machine tho.
[QUOTE=Cold;47056871]Unless the the stack-trace consistently points to the same driver, it doesn't mean anything. [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] Well you can try setting the command rate from 1T to 2T, and increasing the voltage slightly. You could also lower the ram speed from 1600 to 1338 (i think thats one step lower), see if that helps. Kinda annoying you have to do all of this from bios on a headless machine tho.[/QUOTE] Well I only had two BSODs so far, both were Avast related, the rest of the times the PC just locks/freezes up. Now that I know my ram is above 1600, do I limit it to 1600 as you mentioned AMD chipset problem?
Turns out, despite being advertised as 1600 MHZ ram, the chips are showing in the BIOS as 1366, so I lowered it to that level and am retesting. I also reseated the RAM in the processes since I was trying to see if the issue occurred with just one stick of RAM. However it didn't happen in the time I was testing. This is getting tricky. Wish I had another GPU so I could test this without having my main boxes GPU in it.
Weird, I don't have 1600 option or ever 1366 etc.. I have weird settings available, currently set to 1439. Also got BSOD once started up PC for first time today. [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] This time caused by chrome.exe, I googled some stuff and it leads back to Avast again, and some guys on sevenforums mentioning that the error I am getting indicates either bad network adapter or bad antivirus software (Avast in my case, which was related to Bsod 3 times already)
Okay I found problem with my CPU. Guys from SevenForums told me about my BSOD, they said it's faulty CPU which explains why it fails even when at stock speeds. Going to send it for replacement.
[QUOTE=KinderBueno;47059579]Weird, I don't have 1600 option or ever 1366 etc.. I have weird settings available, currently set to 1439.[/QUOTE] Then you are not running at a stock BCLK (if you are absolutely definitely not OC'ing, then your motherboard is perhaps trying to compensate for bad/incompatible RAM) Your symptoms are exactly what happens when you push that too far on AMD - hard freezes during normal operation and prime95 failures
Well it doesn't matter anymore, my CPU was picked up by UPS this morning, it's been shipped back to netherlands retailer, getting replacement sent soon. They said it can take up to 3 weeks but in my case should be quicker since it's CPU. - That's what they told me.
I figured this out for my case: the motherboard had problems. I replaced the motherboard with a new one, the motherboard puts less noise off and no longer freezes.
Just an update on story: My RMA request was fulfilled, they confirmed that Core #5 was indeed failing even under barely any load, so they sent me brand new FX 8350. Hopefully this explains why games run okay (Because not all cores are utilized) while rendering and heavy applications that use all cores are barely running.
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