6870 vs GTX 470 - Hardware & Software

witch is overall better than the other card if anyone has benchmarks that would be much appreciated.

Google and spell check are your friends. [url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/1[/url]

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;25644775]Google and spell check are your friends. [url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/1[/url][/QUOTE] This is a PC support section!! OOOOMMMGGGGGG We're supposed to help. Not tell people to Google it. That's not helpful.

well googling it is so much easier and faster than compared to asking a question and waiting for an answer anyways, the 470 gets a score of 14800 in 3dmark vantage, and the 6870 gets a score of 16000.

^This is meaningless. The only thing that separates the cards are extra features like CUDA and PhysX and the price. Personally I'd go for whichever one is cheaper as they perform exactly the same

6870 more than makes up for the lack of Physx etc and the minor performance difference with its vastly lower power and temperatures.

[QUOTE=Jaehead;25649217]well googling it is so much easier and faster than compared to asking a question and waiting for an answer anyways, the 470 gets a score of 14800 in 3dmark vantage, and the 6870 gets a score of 16000.[/QUOTE] We're on a support forums. Don't post "Google it" if you lack the knowledge to actually tell someone an answer to a question. If they choose to post a thread on a support forums, answer their question with the straight facts. Not some "DIY" bullshit. OP, get the 6870. It's cheaper and you get equal performance.

I'd get the 470 for now as we know the drivers are solid and it's been tested long term. You also get things like CUDA and PhysX. The 6870 will probably drop lower in price like the 470 has so it may be worth it in the future but not for the moment

[QUOTE=FINLEY;25679747]I'd get the 470 for now as we know the drivers are solid and it's been tested long term. You also get things like CUDA and PhysX. The 6870 will probably drop lower in price like the 470 has so it may be worth it in the future but not for the moment[/QUOTE] Drivers for 6870 are just fine right now, and they can only improve. [editline]27th October 2010[/editline] Also, CUDA and PhysX....not even good enough for comparisons yet.

Yeah as Ghost was saying, CUDA and PhysX aren't a great argument as they really don't benefit you, and you can use PhysX even without nVidia cards.

[QUOTE=ghostofme;25678966]We're on a support forums. Don't post "Google it" if you lack the knowledge to actually tell someone an answer to a question. If they choose to post a thread on a support forums, answer their question with the straight facts. Not some "DIY" bullshit. OP, get the 6870. It's cheaper and you get equal performance.[/QUOTE] There is some sense in telling someone to google it. because the answer might be very easy to find on google and then there's absolutely zero need to post a thread about it. I'm not saying it's the same case for this thread though

[QUOTE=xxncxx;25684396] you can use PhysX even without nVidia cards.[/QUOTE] If you don't mind your frame rate being divided by four...

[QUOTE=FINLEY;25686522]If you don't mind your frame rate being divided by four...[/QUOTE] Exaggerate much?

You'd be surprised, there were some benchmarks which showed a 5970 going from 80FPS to about 30

[QUOTE=FINLEY;25687369]You'd be surprised, there were some benchmarks which showed a 5970 going from 80FPS to about 30[/QUOTE] i thought ati cards didn't support physx...????

They don't really, they need to have modified drivers I think. Which probably explains why the fps drop is so great, since the drivers aren't originally intended to do that.

no, its put onto the CPU.

Ignore the above argument, get the 6870.

[QUOTE=gol4z03;25689897]Ignore the above argument, get the 6870.[/QUOTE] lack of phyx and cuda cores, 470 is also a hair faster. Shutup.

[QUOTE=FINLEY;25686522]If you don't mind your frame rate being divided by four...[/QUOTE] Uhh, it barely lowers.

[QUOTE=Axiom :D;25689843]no, its put onto the CPU.[/QUOTE] What would be the point of doing that, the whole idea of physx is to take the physics calculations off the cpu and let the gpu do them instead.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;25690738]Uhh, it barely lowers.[/QUOTE] Got any proof?

[QUOTE=superadamwo;25690842]What would be the point of doing that, the whole idea of physx is to take the physics calculations off the cpu and let the gpu do them instead.[/QUOTE] amd/ati cards don't support physx on the card itself, if you want physx with a ati card then you have to use your cpu.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;25690738]Uhh, it barely lowers.[/QUOTE] No. PhysX won't run well on any ATi card. Why? Because Nvidia isn't just going to hand over one of their extra features to AMD. Its just how they play their game. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=BrQ;25685158]There is some sense in telling someone to google it. because the answer might be very easy to find on google and then there's absolutely zero need to post a thread about it. I'm not saying it's the same case for this thread though[/QUOTE] When it comes down to that you should be the one Googling it. Then post your findings in the thread.

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;25690845]Got any proof?[/QUOTE] Mafia 2 with PhysX and ATI cards, barely any lower of FPS. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGyJT5xQ9ZI&feature=related[/url] [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxPmO949RYQ&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=ghostofme;25693638][editline]28th October 2010[/editline] When it comes down to that you should be the one Googling it. Then post your findings in the thread.[/QUOTE] not really you should make 'google ing' a standard thing to do when you experience problems. We're not here to do something that you can do (easily) too.

Youtube benchmarks prove nothing

[QUOTE=BrQ;25698938]not really you should make 'google ing' a standard thing to do when you experience problems. We're not here to do something that you can do (easily) too.[/QUOTE] That doesn't apply to every problem. If you don't know what the problem really is, what are you supposed to search? And I've found Facepunch to be a wayyyy more powerful resource in the IT field in most cases than Google. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] Either way, telling someone to "Google it" should be ban worthy in this section.

[QUOTE=ghostofme;25700861]That doesn't apply to every problem. If you don't know what the problem really is, what are you supposed to search? And I've found Facepunch to be a wayyyy more powerful resource in the IT field in most cases than Google. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] Either way, telling someone to "Google it" should be ban worthy in this section.[/QUOTE] You're right in that Google does not solve all your problems, but in some cases you can easily google it and find your answer instead of wasting your (and our) time in posting a thread. Imagine a thread asking how to remove anti-virus 2010. There are tens of thousands of threads on the internet with people who have the same problem and if you would take a few minutes of your time, you could easily find the answer, instead of letting others do that work.

[QUOTE=Axiom :D;25690456]lack of phyx and cuda cores, 470 is also a hair faster. Shutup.[/QUOTE] 6870 perform almost the same, from the benchmarks I've seen, normally faster, it uses almost 100 watt less.. I don't know about CF, though. For a single-card configuration I'd say that the 6870 is a better buy, in CF it's really depending on how good it performs. PhysX isn't really that important, it's more like a little extra eyecandy.