Dear open-source: You're ruining the economy, Cut that shit out
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I'm not that involved in software development, but I do know that open source software gives away its source code and programs for free.
By doing this, people get open-office.org instead of Microsoft office.
People will get linux instead of windows/osx
People basically download the open source version before they even THINK to buy the mainstream version.
And the fact that they post the source code isn't any help either.
When you give people a source code to contribute to, they'll just spend 20 years using the unix kernel and creating thousands of generic, unimaginative *nix distros, instead of creating something unique that brings new things into the world. Because of your opensource movement, you're destroying the software market.
I hope you're happy, communists
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No, Mostly because open source has less support and may be harder to use.
Not really, open source is like a hobby. When people are paid all day to code an Operating System it tends to turn out a bit better.
Who the hell would get OpenOffice over Microsoft Office?
Open-source software is a lot more important than you give it credit. Its called competition. Without that, I'm sure a lot of products we know (and love?) would not be anything like we they are now, probably not in a good way.
[QUOTE=waxrock;20358652]Who the hell would get OpenOffice over Microsoft Office?[/QUOTE]
Linux users.
Spoken like a true capitalist.
The reason Open Source is not widely used is because most of the time the support is limited, and is usually buggy or unsupported by some stuff. It's also usually harder to configure (e.g. getting WiFi to work with Xubuntu is a pain), but it does have its applications.
For example, stuff like Android is quite brilliant and brings new stuff to the table.
The reason there's so many different versions of Linux is because the Open Source community is huge, and you're going to have plenty of different opinions on what a good OS is. Sometimes these opinions are translated to an actual developed OS, and a new distro is born.
Some of these are genuinely useful. Take Arch Linux for example. You have to manually configure everything in it from CLI, but once it's done you have a damn fast distro with everything you want, no bloat, perfect for low power or old machines that need to be responsive.
Sure, you can get stuff for free, but there's the old saying; you get what you pay for. It applies here!
Generally, paid for software has better support, warranty, ease of use, etc. Open Source might have some of those things, but usually never all. You get what you pay for.
Open Source also provides incentive for the closed source software companies to develop new and exiting things! There wouldn't be nearly as much competition if there wasn't any free stuff on the market. Free stuff scares the paying companies, because it has the potential to reduce their market share. They combat this by making their products worth the money. Open Source can provide movement in a market that would be stale without competition!
Sometimes closed source sucks balls too. Take nVidia's PhysX for example, or CUDA. It can only run on nVidia cards, so people with ATI are left in the cold even though it could be modified to run on ATI cards. If it were open source, PhysX would be much more popular because everyone can use it, and CUDA applications would be everywhere!
That's why there's stuff like OpenCL, GL, and AL, which is GPGPU, Graphics, and Audio repectively.
These are powerful APIs that, if used correctly, would result in a much less closed source games market. OpenGL is just as powerful, if not moreso, than DX11 (it has had Tesselation for quite a while, for example) and OpenCL does what PhysX and CUDA does, but runs on all GPUs with Shader Model 4 (or 3, can't remember exactly).
So yes, there are disadvantages of open source, but it does have its uses. Abolishment of proprietary bullshit in the software market would be nice, and I don't care if it's a closed or open source standard becoming compatible across all hardware/OS platforms, as long as it means a more compatible market.
He's trolling. Look at the thread he started in GD -
[URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=898972"]Why torrents are satanic and you should never ever use them ever under any circumstances[/URL]
And a quote from a discussion from ITN -
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20358101]I don't get all the hype behind open-source.
What makes you think that you're entitled to free shit?
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[QUOTE=DiscoPony;20358684]He's trolling. Look at the thread he started in GD -
[URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=898972"]Why torrents are satanic and you should never ever use them ever under any circumstances[/URL]
And a quote from a discussion from ITN -[/QUOTE]
That doesnt mean i'm troling, it makes me passionate.
Lock thread ban op
[QUOTE=Zeke129;20358712]Lock thread ban op[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20358547]
When you give people a source code to contribute to, they'll just spend 20 years using the unix kernel and creating thousands of generic, unimaginative *nix distros, instead of creating something unique that brings new things into the world. [/QUOTE]
Then why was the Linux kernel the first ever to support USB 3.0?
It was way ahead of Microsoft on that.
Also, you're dumb.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;20358846]Then why was the Linux kernel the first ever to support USB 3.0?
It was way ahead of Microsoft on that.
Also, you're dumb.[/QUOTE]
yes, but ALL the linux distros do that.
Can't we have some discrepancy?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;20358863]yes, but ALL the linux distros do that.
Can't we have some discrepancy?[/QUOTE]
All Linux distros do what? They all use the same Linux kernel which supports USB 3.0.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;20358880]All Linux distros do what? They all use the same Linux kernel which supports USB 3.0.[/QUOTE]
exactly!
With open source stuff, you're far more likely to get faster bug fixes if it's a big project or if you're a good developer. However closed source stuff is in the mainstream because of its ease of use and support. Remember many people are still used to helplines, so where's the point in having online help resources if they have an internet-related query which isn't to do with an isp?
Also general support for open-source stuff can be a bit hairy but if you look at Microsoft's IIS 7 help articles for example, it's all fully documented.
If it's not documented on MSDN it doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=UberMensch;20359683]With open source stuff, you're far more likely to get faster bug fixes if it's a big project or if you're a good developer. However closed source stuff is in the mainstream because of its ease of use and support. Remember many people are still used to helplines, so where's the point in having online help resources if they have an internet-related query which isn't to do with an isp?
Also general support for open-source stuff can be a bit hairy but if you look at Microsoft's IIS 7 help articles for example, it's all fully documented.[/QUOTE]
Not doing this just because he's a mod, But he is 100% right.
OP, Understand this.
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There wouldn't be nearly as much competition if there wasn't any free stuff on the market. Free stuff scares the paying companies, because it has the potential to reduce their market share. They combat this by making their products worth the money. Open Source can provide movement in a market that would be stale without competition!
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Yes, because linux is totally gonna be the downfall of the economy, we will march in the streets and burn people who use open office or linux :downs:
He's right, Open Source software is great and has it's own roots and benefits. But most of what you see today are simply knockoffs of successful proprietary software. See that fancy UNIX thing? Oop lets write it open source. Hey this Windows thing is prettty nifty, let's make Ubuntu. Ooh everyone loves photoshop. GIMP'd. Word? Writer'd. Office? moar like openoffice.net 2003 amirite?
:/
This article even argues why open source seemingly lacks a single original thought. [url]http://discovermagazine.com/2007/dec/long-live-closed-source-software[/url]
You don't understand, Open Source software is almost a philisophy and many have at least 3 open source programs installed. Just browse source forge and you'll understand.
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[QUOTE=BmB;20359966]He's right, Open Source software is great and has it's own roots and benefits. But most of what you see today are simply knockoffs of successful proprietary software. See that fancy UNIX thing? Oop lets write it open source. Hey this Windows thing is prettty nifty, let's make Ubuntu. Ooh everyone loves photoshop. GIMP'd. Word? Writer'd. Office? moar like openoffice.net 2003 amirite?
:/
This article even argues why open source seemingly lacks a single original thought. [url]http://discovermagazine.com/2007/dec/long-live-closed-source-software[/url][/QUOTE]
These ideas weren't stolen, they were built as [I]alternatives[/I] to the more mainstream programs.
[QUOTE=BmB;20359966]He's right, Open Source software is great and has it's own roots and benefits. But most of what you see today are simply knockoffs of successful proprietary software. See that fancy UNIX thing? Oop lets write it open source. Hey this Windows thing is prettty nifty, let's make Ubuntu. Ooh everyone loves photoshop. GIMP'd. Word? Writer'd. Office? moar like openoffice.net 2003 amirite?
:/
This article even argues why open source seemingly lacks a single original thought. [url]http://discovermagazine.com/2007/dec/long-live-closed-source-software[/url][/QUOTE]
It's because not everyone has the money to pay for something like Photoshop, so instead they, or someone else in a similar situation makes a free alternative.
I am huge supporter of open source. It helps people like me to learn more about complex application by example rather than go through the hard knox version of learning everything on your own. Linux is good for servers, period. Windows is good for everything else, it is WIDELY supported on almost all fronts. Open Office is cool for a while, but Word is 10x better because it has to be.
If open source weren't around, no one would be motivated to make anything better. In my early days (before I discovered the pirate bay), I could not use things like Photoshop and MS Office. Open source was there for me and it cared for and loved me with GIMP and OpenOffice.
At work I use a big mix of open-source and proprietary software
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[*]Microsoft Office 2007 because the rest of the industry also uses it
[*]Paint.net because it's an awesome alternative to photoshop
[*]FileZilla because it's the best free FTP client I know of
[*]Notepad++ because it has excellent syntax highlighting and I like it's feel
[*]VirtualBox because it's the best free desktop-based virtualisation software I know of
[*]MySQL GUI Tools because they're easy to use and understand
[*]Beyond Compare 3 because it's a very powerful comparison/diff utility. Well worth the cost.
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I go for whatever is good for the required task, I don't have a preference of open-source over closed-source.
Instead every game should use opengl and run on linux.
[QUOTE=johanz;20360670]Instead every game should use opengl and run on linux.[/QUOTE]
With stuff like Windows/OSX there's a unified platform to develop on. With the thousands of Linux distros, most of them only include what the developers feel is right for their project. So when you come to install stuff, all of a sudden you're missing various libraries and sources which the developers couldn't fit on the game disc.
I understand that a few mainstream games support Linux-based systems but not all of them do. I expect time and money have something to do with it...
[QUOTE=UberMensch;20360725]With stuff like Windows/OSX there's a unified platform to develop on. With the thousands of Linux distros, most of them only include what the developers feel is right for their project. So when you come to install stuff, all of a sudden you're missing various libraries and sources which the developers couldn't fit on the game disc.
I understand that a few mainstream games support Linux-based systems but not all of them do. I expect time and money have something to do with it...[/QUOTE]
It was a joke, but yeah, you're right.
Well I just needed a decent word processor to type up some school work and I went straight to downloading openoffice to this rig. The thought of paying for or even look for a disk to install any other software never crossed my mind. Without alternative open source software I wouldn't have half of the decent software I use on this computer. If it wasn't available I fear I would end up acquiring all my software illegally which isn't helping anyone now is it? And without having alternative software where is the need for software developers to update their software and create new, better versions? Just saying, if there is a free, legal alternative to a piece of software then it is going to encourage developers to get their arse in gear for making the version which people have to pay their hard earned cash for a large deal better than the free open source alternative.
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