yeah but is it on a 5400 rpm ??, the speed is not fast :S
[QUOTE=lotus006;50048180]yeah but is it on a 5400 rpm ??, the speed is not fast :S[/QUOTE]
It's probably meant for archiving data.
Worth noting that it's only going to work with USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports, which you probably don't have if your motherboard/pc is over a year old.
I love USB Type-C
[QUOTE=lotus006;50048180]yeah but is it on a 5400 rpm ??, the speed is not fast :S[/QUOTE]
To be honest, the RPM really isn't something to worry about on an external drive.
[QUOTE=lotus006;50048180]yeah but is it on a 5400 rpm ??, the speed is not fast :S[/QUOTE]
Eh, anyone knows that if you really want speed, you want RAID 0.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50059071]Eh, anyone knows that if you really want speed, you want RAID 0.[/QUOTE]
For external disks, RAID 05 is the best.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50059135]For external disks, RAID 05 is the best.[/QUOTE]
Depends on what you want. If speed is the most important, RAID 0 is the only thing that works. Besides, you'll not want to use anything but RAID 1 (for hardware RAID), or something like RAID 10 (for software RAID) when using backup or archive disks. Speed doesn't matter when it comes to archives.
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
Obviously, if you're using RAID 0 backups become increasingly more important the more drives you have. It is a tradeoff of the best performance possible, but no security against data loss.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50051705]I love USB Type-C[/QUOTE]
USB C is just the connector, doesn't say much for the electricals.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;50061762]USB C is just the connector, doesn't say much for the electricals.[/QUOTE]
Uh. Yes it does. Just like USB 3 does, usb type C is a full and complete spec.
Why would you bother with a Seagate drive anyways? I get its for archival data that you want to carry around with you. But what good is a disk that lasts under 10,000hrs?
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50064673]Why would you bother with a Seagate drive anyways? I get its for archival data that you want to carry around with you. But what good is a disk that lasts under 10,000hrs?[/QUOTE]
What?
[t]http://52.62.164.10/image/20160404065653534.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50064673]Why would you bother with a Seagate drive anyways? I get its for archival data that you want to carry around with you. But what good is a disk that lasts under 10,000hrs?[/QUOTE]
What. How do they only last 10000 hours?
[QUOTE=Xyrec;50064879]What. How do they only last 10000 hours?[/QUOTE]
Being in a data center, i see a high failure rate on 3TB+ drives from them. Their 1TB drives are actually decent enough.
I'm not the only one experiencing this problem either
[url=https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q4-2015/]Backblaze Q4 2015 failure rate reports[/url]
[url=http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/222267-seagate-faces-lawsuit-over-3tb-hard-drive-failure-rates]They're even getting a class-action lawsuit over it[/url]
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
The failacuda didn't get its name for being a reliable disk when it comes to larger capacities.
[QUOTE=helifreak;50064860]What?
[t]http://52.62.164.10/image/20160404065653534.png[/t][/QUOTE]
I recently purchased 5x 2TB Seagate drives in their mid-ranged series, and they all fried within a year.
Friend of mine got himself 4x 250GB drives off Seagate, all dead within 2 years..
Comparing it to my Samsung F4 2TB disk who's ran nonstop since 2012, then Seagate is a garbage brand.
[img]http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/HDDFailures-BB1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50064673]Why would you bother with a Seagate drive anyways? I get its for archival data that you want to carry around with you. But what good is a disk that lasts under 10,000hrs?[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
That Backblaze article isn't a valid source; they compared enterprise drives from other manufacturers to shitty portable Seagate drives in their test.
Of course a drive that costs 10x more is going to last longer.
I just hit 20000 hours and 600 power cycles on a cheap desktop Seagate drive.
in 2010 I burned through 5 Seagate HDDs within 6 months which were all replacements of the earlier ones starting with one I got in Christmas of 2009, before I finally I got a Hitachi, which, despite having sat in a humid closet for 2 years, and actually has rust on the casing, runs amazingly now, 6 years later.
Fuck Seagate.
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=maaatts;50065092][citation needed]
That Backblaze article isn't a valid source; they compared enterprise drives from other manufacturers to shitty portable Seagate drives in their test.
Of course a drive that costs 10x more is going to last longer.
I just hit 20000 hours and 600 power cycles on a cheap desktop Seagate drive.[/QUOTE]
How about the fact they're currently facing a class action lawsuit over being so shit?
[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3028981/storage/seagate-slapped-with-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-hard-drive-failure-rates.html[/url]
[IMG]http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2016/02/seagatefailures-100642845-large.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50065093]in 2010 I burned through 5 Seagate HDDs within 6 months which were all replacements of the earlier ones starting with one I got in Christmas of 2009, before I finally I got a Hitachi, which, despite having sat in a humid closet for 2 years, and actually has rust on the casing, runs amazingly now, 6 years later.
Fuck Seagate.
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
How about the fact they're currently facing a class action lawsuit over being so shit?
[URL]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3028981/storage/seagate-slapped-with-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-hard-drive-failure-rates.html[/URL]
[IMG]http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2016/02/seagatefailures-100642845-large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Part of the issue was a known bad drive. Numbers have greatly improved, better than WD, since the phasing out of that model. Also the backblaze study has some issues with it, especially since most of the Seagate drives were in the gen1 racks instead of the gen2 like the WD's and Hitachi's so they had to handle more heat and vibration.
[URL]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/hgst-hard-disks-still-super-reliable-seagates-have-greatly-improved/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to_evaluate_disk_reliability/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=maaatts;50065092][citation needed]
That Backblaze article isn't a valid source; they compared enterprise drives from other manufacturers to shitty portable Seagate drives in their test.
Of course a drive that costs 10x more is going to last longer.
I just hit 20000 hours and 600 power cycles on a cheap desktop Seagate drive.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the people that have over 50,000 of their drives running are more valid than the home user that has less than 5. So them being a large storage provider, they are more than valid than you are.
I have a WD Protiege with 2000 cycles and almost 94,000hrs and it never died. So i guess all WD's are flawless
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50065113]Sorry, the people that have over 50,000 of their drives running are more valid than the home user that has less than 5. So them being a large storage provider, they are more than valid than you are.
I have a WD Protiege with 2000 cycles and almost 94,000hrs and it never died. So i guess all WD's are flawless[/QUOTE]
And 10's of thousands of people have had drives die of all manufacturers. Hell look at the WD Green line alone. A lot of it is overreporting due to a flawed highly publicized article.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50065126]And 10's of thousands of people have had drives die of all manufacturers. Hell look at the WD Green line alone. A lot of it is overreporting due to a flawed highly publicized article.[/QUOTE]
It all comes down to this;
I've used almost all brands of HDD over the past 10 years, and the only Seagate HDD that hasn't died on me is a 80gb from 2004 - which has been semi-stuck in limbo ever since I got it, and only boots when it feels like it.
My Spinpoint F3 from Samsung still works, my F4 still works, hell even my hitachi "deathstar" still runs, unlike approx. 10 failed drives from whenever I have given Seagate a new chance.
I can even dig out an old 320mb Maxtor drive from my basement, that's been rusting down there for 20 years, and I bet you it'd be more reliable.
Congratulations if you got the only working Seagate drive in the world, but the rest of us are tired of their shit.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50065104]Part of the issue was a known bad drive. Numbers have greatly improved, better than WD, since the phasing out of that model. Also the backblaze study has some issues with it, especially since most of the Seagate drives were in the gen1 racks instead of the gen2 like the WD's and Hitachi's so they had to handle more heat and vibration.
[/QUOTE]
That could do the damage to them definitely. But wouldn't them being in an inclosure, and being moved around quite often also do them in for these too?
Also it seems that a lot of the problems to is that seagate is notoriously cheap. I know this, but why would you cheapen up your personal archival storage? What is the point of having a disk when you're expecting the failure rate to occur to them.
But glad to see that SG is improving their quality standards.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50065126]And 10's of thousands of people have had drives die of all manufacturers. Hell look at the WD Green line alone. A lot of it is overreporting due to a flawed highly publicized article.[/QUOTE]
The WD Green line was on par with the failcuda and the death stars. In fact we got rid of all these devices because they would almost instantaneously die upon imaging. Maybe a few days of use and they're going straight back to the manufacturer. But I did hear that their quality improved over time, however they still retired the line due to the amount of poor reviews they got from them, and scared away any purchasers.
[QUOTE=Tools;50065138]It all comes down to this;
I've used almost all brands of HDD over the past 10 years, and the only Seagate HDD that hasn't died on me is a 80gb from 2004 - which has been semi-stuck in limbo ever since I got it, and only boots when it feels like it.
My Spinpoint F3 from Samsung still works, my F4 still works, hell even my hitachi "deathstar" still runs, unlike approx. 10 failed drives from whenever I have given Seagate a new chance.
I can even dig out an old 320mb Maxtor drive from my basement, that's been rusting down there for 20 years, and I bet you it'd be more reliable.
Congratulations if you got the only working Seagate drive in the world, but the rest of us are tired of their shit.[/QUOTE]
So it all comes down to your anecdotal evidence? Good to know you're not serious about this discussion.
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50065140]That could do the damage to them definitely. But wouldn't them being in an inclosure, and being moved around quite often also do them in for these too?
Also it seems that a lot of the problems to is that seagate is notoriously cheap. I know this, but why would you cheapen up your personal archival storage? What is the point of having a disk when you're expecting the failure rate to occur to them.
But glad to see that SG is improving their quality standards.
The WD Green line was on par with the failcuda and the death stars. In fact we got rid of all these devices because they would almost instantaneously die upon imaging. Maybe a few days of use and they're going straight back to the manufacturer. But I did hear that their quality improved over time, however they still retired the line due to the amount of poor reviews they got from them, and scared away any purchasers.[/QUOTE]
They've got competitively priced drives in every category [I]except[/I] performance desktop drives like the WD Black. This really hurts them. Barracuda's are like Blue's, they have server drives in every price bracket, just the area they really need to shine in the enthusiast's eyes is completely nonexistant. Dunno why.
I don't go with Seagate these days due to 3 consecutive 1TB purchases I made in 2010 - they all died almost immediately.
A bad rep is hard to shake
[QUOTE=Levelog;50065163]So it all comes down to your anecdotal evidence? Good to know you're not serious about this discussion.[/QUOTE]
What more do you need besides an example of a real life usage of their devices? The rest of the world has a different experience than you, so get off your high horse and face reality instead of acting like a feminist on her period about it.
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[QUOTE=Tools;50065191]What more do you need besides an example of a real life usage of their devices? The rest of the world has a different experience than you, so get off your high horse and face reality instead of acting like a feminist on her period about it.[/QUOTE]
Because someone's real life example is pretty useless on the broad topic of reliability of an industry leader.
[QUOTE=Tools;50065191]What more do you need besides an example of a real life usage of their devices? The rest of the world has a different experience than you, so get off your high horse and face reality instead of acting like a feminist on her period about it.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what anecdotal evidence is and why it's not comparable to or useful at all in comparison to real statistical evidence?
And jesus christ, what even is that point you're trying to make about feminism?
[QUOTE=Levelog;50065163]So it all comes down to your anecdotal evidence? Good to know you're not serious about this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Do you work for Seagate or something? I had 5 of their drives fail on me in 6 months before I went to Hitachi; 3 other people in the thread had the same shit happen to me with different hard drives.
There's a class action lawsuit against them for producing shit hard drives.
Are you seriously dismissing all of us?
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
How about real statistics?
[IMG]https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/blog-fail-drives-manufactureX.jpg[/IMG]
Seagate is shit, stop shilling for them.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50071228]Seagate is shit, stop shilling for them.[/QUOTE]
It's not really shilling if someone's personal experience differs from that of others. I could say ATI cards are utter garbage because my personal experience with them has been every single one I've dealt with dying in less than 6 months but that doesn't mean that AMD is garbage nor does it mean I'm a shill for nVidia when I recommend people go with them over ATI.
With Seagate in particular I've personally had no bad experiences. Since 2008 I've used four different Seagate hard drives and one Western Digital. In that time I've only had issues with the oldest and most heavily used one, a 1TB Seagate which saw heavy use 24/7 for about four years before it started exhibiting any issues. And even then it still actually works, it just started causing Windows Explorer to randomly hang. My personal experience managing to differ from what's apparently the norm with the brand doesn't make me any more of a shill than Levelog is. (Which isn't a shill at all.)
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