[QUOTE=usaokay;43736983]Wii U needs to step up their game if they ever want to regain trust from third-party devs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Nintendo needs to get some third party titles if they ever want to start getting third party titles.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43737038]Yeah, Nintendo needs to get some third party titles if they ever want to start getting third party titles.[/QUOTE]
It's a catch-22.
Wii U sales are low because third party sucks.
Third party sucks because Wii U sales are low.
I'm not sure how true that is, most people pick up Nintendo consoles for the first party games - of which there aren't many out other than the two Marios. I think it will pick up when there's a new Zelda, Smash Bros and Mario Kart.
[QUOTE=A big fat ass;43737305]I'm not sure how true that is, most people pick up Nintendo consoles for the first party games - of which there aren't many out other than the two Marios. I think it will pick up when there's a new Zelda, Smash Bros and Mario Kart.[/QUOTE]
There's also Rayman Legends, Pikmin 3, Lego City Undercover and Zelda Wind Waker.
Wasn't the Wii U has no games thing proven false
It really is a rude awakening from the dizzying high from the success of the Wii. Nintendo need to realize that market has long moved on to something else (Tablets, smartphones etc.) They need to refocus on their core consumer-base and hope for the best.
a third party wii u game being crippled in some way? What a shocker.
[QUOTE=Mabus;43737590]Nintendo need to realize that market has long moved on to something else (Tablets, smartphones etc.) They need to refocus on their core consumer-base and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that moving to Smartphones would cannibalize the 3DS market for Nintendo, right?
[QUOTE=Durrsly;43737096]It's a catch-22.
Wii U sales are low because third party sucks.
Third party sucks because Wii U sales are low.[/QUOTE]
Didn't something like that happen with Mass Effect? EA released ME3 to the Wii U without releasing the first two and then used the low sales to justify not releasing the first two.
Pretty much.
They also charged $60 for it when the trilogy pack was the same price on other systems, and on top of that Wii U ME3 came out around the same time as the trilogy pack.
If you got a Wii u to play games like Batman, Assassins Creed and Mass Effect then you bought the console for all the wrong reasons anyway
Not if it's your only console.
[editline]1st February 2014[/editline]
Which would be nuts but for some people it is.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;43737445]There's also Rayman Legends, Pikmin 3, Lego City Undercover and Zelda Wind Waker.[/QUOTE]
Rayman Legends isn't an exclusive.
Pikmin 3 although a charming game is still kind of a niche title.
I doubt you'll convince a lot of people to buy an entire console just for a lego game.
Zelda Wind Waker HD is a HD remix, once again people don't buy a new console just for that.
Problem with the Wii U is that its release had an absolutely terrible timing. Too late to be part of the previous gen with the 360 and PS3, and too early to be part of the current gen with the XBone and PS4, so people simply didn't buy it because it barely had any worthwhile games on release and the next gen was already close to being released.
The Wii U would have been a lot better off if it had been released at the same time as the PS4 and the XBone to take advantage, so people could have actually considered buying one of the three consoles, rather than avoid this one console and consider buying one of the two.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43749196]Rayman Legends isn't an exclusive.
Pikmin 3 although a charming game is still kind of a niche title.
I doubt you'll convince a lot of people to buy an entire console just for a lego game.
Zelda Wind Waker HD is a HD remix, once again people don't buy a new console just for that.
Problem with the Wii U is that its release had an absolutely terrible timing. Too late to be part of the previous gen with the 360 and PS3, and too early to be part of the current gen with the XBone and PS4, so people simply didn't buy it because it barely had any worthwhile games on release and the next gen was already close to being released.
The Wii U would have been a lot better off if it had been released at the same time as the PS4 and the XBone to take advantage, so people could have actually considered buying one of the three consoles, rather than avoid this one console and consider buying one of the two.[/QUOTE]
If the Wii U had launched around the same time as the PS4 and Xbone with the library it has now, it probably would have been a smash hit. The library it currently has would have been an absolutely stunning launch library.
But, you know, they decided to launch it in 2012. With nothing.
I hope they can fish it out of the shithole with all of the restructuring they're doing, because it really is a fun console to use.
Supposedly when mario kart and smash bros (you know, the games people actually buy nintendo consoles for) come out, the consoles should sell more. And even then the damage's been already done so that may not be enough.
Wind Waker HD, 3D World, Pikmin 3, and then a few games like MH3U, Wonderful 101, and a more polished Zombi U would have been a killer launch line up. Especially with Mario Kart and Super Smash a few months later.
The only reason they launched it so early was to prevent shortages since they thought the Wii U would fly off the shelves like the Wii did.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43749196]Rayman Legends isn't an exclusive.
Pikmin 3 although a charming game is still kind of a niche title.
I doubt you'll convince a lot of people to buy an entire console just for a lego game.
Zelda Wind Waker HD is a HD remix, once again people don't buy a new console just for that.
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Good job, you didn't understand what I tried to say.
A single title can never carry a whole console. What I tried to say was that there is more than just one game available for the console.
Pikmin 3 is a bigger title than you think, by the way. Rayman Legends is the best version on the Wii U.
The console will start to sell when there are even more games able to get. The console won't get on when the new Donkey Kong comes, or the new Mario Kart or the new Super Smash. Only until all of them are released.
Nothing of value was really lost anyway. Arkham Origins like Assassin's Creed 4 was a terrible port and they didn't bother coding it correctly for the WiiU
[QUOTE=usaokay;43736983]Wii U needs to step up their game if they ever want to regain trust from third-party devs.[/QUOTE]
Nintendo gave the WiiU time so that the 3rd party could develop games for it then Nintendo would release their exclusives and you know what happened? All of it's exclusives from 3rd Parties went multiplat and when they did come to the WiiU they were ported terribly. Everyone loooves to go on about how their games don't sell on Nintendo products when the truth is they don't want them to sell because their lazy as all fuck and don't bother to code for the system correctly.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;43737096]It's a catch-22.
Wii U sales are low because third party sucks.
Third party sucks because Wii U sales are low.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Nintendo has a double decades long history of treating 3P devs like dogshit, and eventually behavior like that will yield results like this. It ain't rocket surgery. They have their own world class IPs and they prioritize the shit out of them, and their external engineering support is literally almost nonexistant outside of mobile platforms. Nintendo gives no fucks about 3P and in reality never has.
[QUOTE=27X;43754159]Not really. Nintendo has a double decades long history of treating 3P devs like dogshit,[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to the NES/SNES-era seal of quality, you're an idiot because devs back then didn't give a shit what they churned out.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;43754329]If you're referring to the NES/SNES-era seal of quality, you're an idiot because devs back then didn't give a shit what they churned out.[/QUOTE]
In general Nintendo did treat third parties badly, mostly because they were basically the biggest guys in town and could demand all they want. That's why they did shit like the lockout chip on cartridges which required Nintendo to manufacture all cartridges and gave third parties little ability to make games unless Nintendo explicitly approved.
The market's very different these days though. Nintendo has historically treated third party devs with less respect than the other two these days.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;43754362]In general Nintendo did treat third parties badly, mostly because they were basically the biggest guys in town and could demand all they want. That's why they did shit like the lockout chip on cartridges which required Nintendo to manufacture all cartridges and gave third parties little ability to make games unless Nintendo explicitly approved.[/QUOTE]
Good reason for that, though. When other publishers had the ability to produce their own cartridges, it resulted in them pumping out a ton of garbage atari games and caused a little-known event called [I]the video game crash of 1983[/I].
[QUOTE=The Combine;43737495]Wasn't the Wii U has no games thing proven false[/QUOTE]
They have Mario, Zelda, and ZombieU.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;43754406]Good reason for that, though. When other publishers had the ability to produce their own cartridges, it resulted in them pumping out a ton of garbage atari games and caused a little-known event called [I]the video game crash of 1983[/I].[/QUOTE]
This is true, and Nintendo's doing that was indeed one way Nintendo attempted to prevent a reoccurrence, but there's no doubt third parties disliked that.
You'll also note that Nintendo also removed their limitations on how many games could be published by a company per year once Sega started rising up. Competition pushed them away from that sort of behavior.
It's cool how Nintendo's the only game company still around where you can really discuss what happened in the 80s and 90s and see how it's changed over time to where we are today.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;43754329]If you're referring to the NES/SNES-era seal of quality, you're an idiot because devs back then didn't give a shit what they churned out.[/QUOTE]
1. You apparently lack the understanding of the [i]slight[/i] differences between the words "publisher" and "developer". (protip: they mean different things)
2. "Double decades long" implies a stretch of time, I'll leave you to reason out exactly how long.
3. The Seal of Approval can be found on such quality titles as:
[img]http://static2.cdn.ubi.com/ncsa/parentscorner/website/img/dolphinz-encounter.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.primaryignition.com/wp-content/uploads/Total-Recall-NES-Title-Screen.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/3/3/5/3/2/6/webimg/710461934_o.jpg?nc=320[/img]
So apparently shovelware was and still is just as likely to occur their watchful guard as not, incidentally none of which has anything to with them treating 3P devs as pariahs for pretty nigh on three decades, which isn't supposition, but rather well documented fact, reported in such magazines as [i]Edge[/i] and [i]Wired[/i] and even [i]Time[/i] circa the N64 launch.
The key to being a good apologist is getting your facts straight.
i dont get it arent publishers and devs the same thing?!
This is ridiculous. I'm ok with less people buying the game on Wii U but I'm pretty sure the no mp is something they shouldn't have done. Wii U can run a mp too, and if they released the Season Pass then why the hell don't they release it? I'm pretty sure not everyone who bought it waned a refund, and maybe the people who wanted a refund was because the season pass was shit anyways.
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