• Building A Gaming Desktop, Could Use Some Help
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Hey there! I've had the idea of building a gaming desktop for a long time and I finally decided to go ahead and start looking for parts. My budget is $1,100, and I would like to get the most for my money. So here's a list of parts I have already and the ones I still need to look into, and any help on this would be appreciated. So, here goes. [B]CPU:[/B] AMD FX-9370 (8 Cores, Black Edition) Now, with the CPU, I would like to go with this AMD processor as it's cheaper and has 8 cores, as well as a fast processing speed right out of the box. (No, I don't want to overclock.) [url]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DGHD2TA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=34Z6J8OQ5CKLL&coliid=I1IC1X2GU5MBQJ[/url] [B]Motherboard:[/B] An Asus Sabertooth 990FX- [url]http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-SABERTOOTH-990FX-R2-0-Motherboard/dp/B008YDJHWM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1391576819&sr=1-1&keywords=Sabertooth+990[/url] Now, I checked this part along with the CPU on PCpartspicker.com and it came up with no compatibility issues, yet I'm still wondering if there's a better motherboard I could get for less money? Please let me know. [B]Memory:[/B] Corsair Vengeance 16GB- [url]http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22[/url] I'm rather satisfied with this, actually. [B]Graphics Card[/B] Now, here comes the big spender in this project. I'd like to get a GTX 780 for this desktop, so here's the one I found and liked the look of: [url]http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GTX780-SuperClocked-03G-P4-2784-KR/dp/B00CUIVSNS/ref=cm_wl_huc_item[/url] That leaves me with needing: Storage (preferably an SSD), a power supply unit, a case, cooling system and optical drive. For the optical drive, I would like a drive that can play Blu Ray movies as well as CDs, without having to have two separate drives on the PC. If anyone could please give me some suggestions for those parts and let me know what they think of the parts that I've already chosen, that would be awesome.
With a budget like that, I'd strongly suggest an i5 4670. It will have far greater performance. Also, why so against overclocking? Also, do you need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, etc?
I'm against overclocking because this is my first PC, and I wouldn't know how to do that. I would rather just play it on the safe side and not OC. Yes, however I have another budget for the monitor, keyboard, speakers and headset, I already have all that picked out. The $1,100 is JUST for the PC itself.
I don't think the 780 is going to fit in the budget. I'm still working on it, though.
Asus has software that does it for you automatically, you literally just click one button and it overclocks for you. Just get an 8350 and overclock it with the software.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670]Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($218.98 @ Best Buy) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.98 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h87g43]MSI H87-G43 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($96.24 @ Amazon) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db]A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($69.99 @ Newegg) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te120bw]Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk[/url] ($89.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5oc]MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card[/url] ($319.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-blackhawk]Rosewill BlackHawk ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($74.99 @ Newegg) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600m]Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lg-optical-drive-wh14ns40]LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($59.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Operating System:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050]Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)[/url] ($84.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Total:[/b] $1145.12 [i](Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)[/i] [i](Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-06 22:32 EST-0500)[/i] This is just a smidge over budget. I think it will do you very well though. You've got the best gaming processor that's out, 8gigs of RAM, a GTX 770, which can easily max out games at 1080p, SSD boot drive with plently of storage on your data drive, and a bluray writer/reader that can also do DVD's. You'd have to bump your budget about $200 to get the 780. I originally didn't have the SSD in, and even then I couldn't make it fit. [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] Also unless you're doing heavy workstation applications, there is no way you'll need more than 8 gigs of RAM. I've got 8 gigs and a 680 (The 770 is a rebranded 680 with a slightly higher clock speed) and I have yet to find a game I can't max out with ease.
[QUOTE=Levelog;43818213][url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670]Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($218.98 @ Best Buy) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.98 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h87g43]MSI H87-G43 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($96.24 @ Amazon) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db]A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($69.99 @ Newegg) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te120bw]Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk[/url] ($89.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5oc]MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card[/url] ($319.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-blackhawk]Rosewill BlackHawk ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($74.99 @ Newegg) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600m]Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lg-optical-drive-wh14ns40]LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($59.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Operating System:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050]Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)[/url] ($84.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Total:[/b] $1145.12 [i](Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)[/i] [i](Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-06 22:32 EST-0500)[/i] This is just a smidge over budget. I think it will do you very well though. You've got the best gaming processor that's out, 8gigs of RAM, a GTX 770, which can easily max out games at 1080p, SSD boot drive with plently of storage on your data drive, and a bluray writer/reader that can also do DVD's. You'd have to bump your budget about $200 to get the 780. I originally didn't have the SSD in, and even then I couldn't make it fit. [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] Also unless you're doing heavy workstation applications, there is no way you'll need more than 8 gigs of RAM. I've got 8 gigs and a 680 (The 770 is a rebranded 680 with a slightly higher clock speed) and I have yet to find a game I can't max out with ease.[/QUOTE] Thanks! I have to ask, what would be the advantages of getting the i5-4670 rather than the AMD 9370? The 9370 runs at 4.4 Ghz right out of the box and has 8 cores. The i5-4670 runs at 3.4 Ghz and only has four cores. I haven't really read up on processors as a whole, but I figured the more Ghz and the more cores, the better it'll run. I'd like more cores because I'm going to be doing a lot of multi-tasking. The only changes I'd make to that list is the GPU and OS. I've got a separate amount for an OS and MC office and I'm going to get Windows 8. I can also save up until I'll have enough to get a GTX 780. :)
[QUOTE=Robsee055;43818774]Thanks! I have to ask, what would be the advantages of getting the i5-4670 rather than the AMD 9370? The 9370 runs at 4.4 Ghz right out of the box and has 8 cores. The i5-4670 runs at 3.4 Ghz and only has four cores. I haven't really read up on processors as a whole, but I figured the more Ghz and the more cores, the better it'll run. I'd like more cores because I'm going to be doing a lot of multi-tasking. The only changes I'd make to that list is the GPU and OS. I've got a separate amount for an OS and MC office and I'm going to get Windows 8. I can also save up until I'll have enough to get a GTX 780. :)[/QUOTE] AMD advertise their cpus as basically double of their 'actual' core count. They use a similar technology to Intel's hyperthreading in their i7 processors. This technology splits the thread in the the core to two. So 4 cores/8 threads. This is useful for 3D modelling and rendering, video encoding, photoshop etc. It has no effect in games at all and sometimes actually decreases performance. AMD's cores also tend to be far, far weaker than Intels, so in single threaded operations they perform poorly in comparison and in multi-threaded they tend to win out by a little or be a little worse off once again, but it depends on the program. Games in the past (and most modern games) use single-threaded technology so Intel processors are usually better. There's only a handful of games that use multithreaded technology (I think Crysis 3 and BF4 are among the most recent). However, it will be a while until multithreaded technology is implemented in all games (maybe 3-4 years, since the new consoles have only just come out and developers will have to adapt to use the AMD processors they use) and by this time, these processors will likely be nearing end of their usefulness anyway. I'd go Intel, as an owner of two AMD systems at the moment. Also Intels (especially Haswell) use less power than AMD processors. Clock speed isn't really as important as ipc (instructions per cycle), which Intel generally has more of, making their single cores more powerful.
Thanks for that! That really cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had. Do you think while using an i54670 and a GTX 780, I would be able to play games such as BF4, Crysis 3 as well as the majority of modern games on ultra with a great FPS rate?
With a 4670 and a 780 you can probably max out modern games in 1440p. If you're going to play on 1080p a 770 is fine as well, they're both p. awesome GPUs. EDIT: yay 700 posts! EDITEDIT: coincidentally, the "more ghz=more better" mentality was used by Intel once, it's the reason the Pentium line is now the low-budget Intel line.
Also as far as I remember the FX-series has ended - probably because of it's performance issues.
Apparently there's a YouTuber who has a setup with a GTX 780 and an i5 Acording to his videos, here's the FPS rates he's experienced. Battlefield 4: 74-126 Arkham Origins: 60-70 Hitman Absolution: 53 average, with 120 max Crysis 3: 46 (minimum) to 60+ Metro Last Light: 72-80 So this setup seems VERY good for gaming. :) [editline]7th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Robsee055;43829918]Apparently there's a YouTuber who has a setup with a GTX 780 and an i5 Acording to his videos, here's the FPS rates he's experienced. Battlefield 4: 74-126 Arkham Origins: 60-70 Hitman Absolution: 53 average, with 120 max Crysis 3: 46 (minimum) to 60+ Metro Last Light: 72-80 So this setup seems VERY good for gaming. :)[/QUOTE] Also, what about getting a i5-3570K Ivy Bridge? It runs at 3.8 Ghz on turbo and it's only an extra $10 than the i5-4670. I think I may wish to overclock. Any idea as to how fast I could get the 3570K to run? And how about OC'ing the 4670?
There's no reason to get a 780 for 1080p resolutions. The 770 will do fine, even at higher refresh rates. You have to consider that youtubers need to run recording software, which makes their framerate take a huge hit - so anecdotal evidence from them isn't accurate for what you'll have. The 3570K is older than the 4670. If you want to overclock, you'd be better off getting the 4670K and a Z87 chipset motherboard(the gigabyte Z87X-D3H or MSI G45 Gaming will do). You can't overclock the regular 4670 as it's not designed for it. Also, there's very little reason not to get win8 as it costs the same and a program like classicshell/start8 will make it a smarter, faster win7
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;43833711]There's no reason to get a 780 for 1080p resolutions. The 770 will do fine, even at higher refresh rates. You have to consider that youtubers need to run recording software, which makes their framerate take a huge hit - so anecdotal evidence from them isn't accurate for what you'll have. The 3570K is older than the 4670. If you want to overclock, you'd be better off getting the 4670K and a Z87 chipset motherboard(the gigabyte Z87X-D3H or MSI G45 Gaming will do). You can't overclock the regular 4670 as it's not designed for it. Also, there's very little reason not to get win8 as it costs the same and a program like classicshell/start8 will make it a smarter, faster win7[/QUOTE] Thanks for your input! I've got a trial running from Start8 and I can say I'm very impressed with the changes it's made, as I'm using Windows 8 on this laptop right now.
its common knowledge to download the drivers for anything on an internet source rather than disc-based source
thats odd because i have the same motherboard and its working perfectly fine
[QUOTE=Levelog;43818213][url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2OH1B/benchmarks/]Benchmarks[/url] [b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670]Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($218.98 @ Best Buy) [b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.98 @ OutletPC) [b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h87g43]MSI H87-G43 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($96.24 @ Amazon) [b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db]A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($69.99 @ Newegg) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te120bw]Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk[/url] ($89.99 @ Amazon) [b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg) [b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5oc]MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card[/url] ($319.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-blackhawk]Rosewill BlackHawk ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($74.99 @ Newegg) [b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600m]Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lg-optical-drive-wh14ns40]LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($59.99 @ Microcenter) [b]Operating System:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050]Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)[/url] ($84.99 @ NCIX US) [b]Total:[/b] $1145.12 [i](Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)[/i] [i](Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-06 22:32 EST-0500)[/i] This is just a smidge over budget. I think it will do you very well though. You've got the best gaming processor that's out, 8gigs of RAM, a GTX 770, which can easily max out games at 1080p, SSD boot drive with plently of storage on your data drive, and a bluray writer/reader that can also do DVD's. You'd have to bump your budget about $200 to get the 780. I originally didn't have the SSD in, and even then I couldn't make it fit. [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] Also unless you're doing heavy workstation applications, there is no way you'll need more than 8 gigs of RAM. I've got 8 gigs and a 680 (The 770 is a rebranded 680 with a slightly higher clock speed) and I have yet to find a game I can't max out with ease.[/QUOTE] We have the same build you and I, there is not one single game i haven't maxed out with at least 120 FPS (apart from maybe DayZ= 100 FPS). We both know who should be credited.
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