[quote]Google has around 90% market share for search in Europe and in 2010 rivals alleged that it was favouring its own products and services over those of rivals in search results.[/quote]
'Google is directing customers to it's own products rather than ours so we are pissed about it!'
I don't think any business would direct it's customers to a competitor before it plugged it's own products when a customer asked about a particular product.
google can do no wrong
[QUOTE=tempunary;46583011]google can do no wrong[/QUOTE]
thanks for this stunning argument, whilst strawmanning all opposing ones
Google didn't weasel its way into power and it's not cheating to stay up there, it established dominance by offering a considerably better service than basically everyone else and now shit-backwards companies are complaining because instead of doing exactly what Google's doing and increasing their standards they prefer lobbying and applying legal pressure to try and fix their problems.
The whole idea is just wrong. If you walk in to a game shop, ask for a game, their going to give your the game they sell- the same can be applied to any sellers. It just seems some companies are butthurt over google being better than then, rather than complaining, they should be making their product better.
Google has single handedly revolutionised the way we communicate and what information we have on the world.
meanwhile apple will get away with murder.
fuck the EU.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46584239]Google didn't weasel its way into power and it's not cheating to stay up there, it established dominance by offering a considerably better service than basically everyone else and now shit-backwards companies are complaining because instead of doing exactly what Google's doing and increasing their standards they prefer lobbying and applying legal pressure to try and fix their problems.[/QUOTE]
That's not the problem though, the problem is that despite other browsers taking forever to gain any market share out of fucking nowhere the newest of the most popular browsers shot to massive popularity to reach a landmark of passing internet explorer... and why? Because it was suggested as a faster way to browse the web on google's search page, which nearly everybody who uses the web visits. You could argue that chrome deserves the spot but that's not why it has it, and the influence google is able to exert using it's other products is the very definition of anti-competitive.
Now, I use google chrome and google search and android and gmail and youtube so I might as well be chained up to google HQ and even I think google's kind of crossing the line
[QUOTE=Elspin;46584754]That's not the problem though, the problem is that despite other browsers taking forever to gain any market share out of fucking nowhere the newest of the most popular browsers shot to massive popularity to reach a landmark of passing internet explorer... and why? Because it was suggested as a faster way to browse the web on google's search page, which nearly everybody who uses the web visits. You could argue that chrome deserves the spot but that's not why it has it, and the influence google is able to exert using it's other products is the very definition of anti-competitive.
Now, I use google chrome and google search and android and gmail and youtube so I might as well be chained up to google HQ and even I think google's kind of crossing the line[/QUOTE]
But Google Chrome is the fastest browser I've used.
at the time it first started being popular Firefox had huge memory leak problems.
Google wins because they know what people want.
not their fault most other browsers are complete shot.
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[QUOTE=Elspin;46584754]That's not the problem though, the problem is that despite other browsers taking forever to gain any market share out of fucking nowhere the newest of the most popular browsers shot to massive popularity to reach a landmark of passing internet explorer... and why? Because it was suggested as a faster way to browse the web on google's search page, which nearly everybody who uses the web visits. You could argue that chrome deserves the spot but that's not why it has it, and the influence google is able to exert using it's other products is the very definition of anti-competitive.
Now, I use google chrome and google search and android and gmail and youtube so I might as well be chained up to google HQ and even I think google's kind of crossing the line[/QUOTE]
People using other browsers chose to use Chrome. They knew other browsers were out there. They visited a service (Google Search) that suggested their own product as an alternative. There isn't anything wrong with that, simply because its search was already popular.
[QUOTE=Elspin;46584754]That's not the problem though, the problem is that despite other browsers taking forever to gain any market share out of fucking nowhere the newest of the most popular browsers shot to massive popularity to reach a landmark of passing internet explorer... and why? Because it was suggested as a faster way to browse the web on google's search page, which nearly everybody who uses the web visits. You could argue that chrome deserves the spot but that's not why it has it, and the influence google is able to exert using it's other products is the very definition of anti-competitive.[/QUOTE]
I don't see that as a problem at all. Not like you have to use chrome to use google search or use google search to know about chrome.
I mean most new computers even make you choose from all the major browsers so that people who buy new computers and know nothing about browsers can make a choice beyond internet explorer.
again there's also the exact same thing Ganerumo said about google simply offering a better service. Chrome is way better than most of the other browsers available right now, which is why people use it.
Does google take up way too much of the market with some of their products? Absolutely. Is it negatively affecting the user? Not really. Does that make it okay? Well, probably not, but it should definitely be less priority to take google down a peg or two when there's plenty of other companies and products with chokeholds on their market that result in problems for the general public.
[QUOTE=papaya;46585657]I mean most new computers even make you choose from all the major browsers so that people who buy new computers and know nothing about browsers can make a choice beyond internet explorer.[/QUOTE] That is because of a pretty similar case against Microsoft.
[QUOTE=Cassel;46585849]That is because of a pretty similar case against Microsoft.[/QUOTE]
Which is still bullshit imo. MS should not be forced to advertise competitors on their own platform. I'd feel a little upset if I had to put up competition for my product on my own platform like that.
Google has grown so large that it needs European Parliament to knock it down a knotch?
That's kinda scary actually
[QUOTE=papaya;46585657]I don't see that as a problem at all. Not like you have to use chrome to use google search or use google search to know about chrome.
I mean most new computers even make you choose from all the major browsers so that people who buy new computers and know nothing about browsers can make a choice beyond internet explorer.[/QUOTE]
...whiiiich as above only happened in the EU AFAIK and only happened because of an anti-trust suit there.
[QUOTE]again there's also the exact same thing Ganerumo said about google simply offering a better service. Chrome is way better than most of the other browsers available right now, which is why people use it.
Does google take up way too much of the market with some of their products? Absolutely. Is it negatively affecting the user? Not really. Does that make it okay? Well, probably not, but it should definitely be less priority to take google down a peg or two when there's plenty of other companies and products with chokeholds on their market that result in problems for the general public.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit, google offering better service didn't make the browser popular, google advertising it on their unbelievably popular website did. When you straight up tell people "our browser is better" on what is probably the most popular website on the planet you can't get much more influence than that. When I got google chrome nearly everything was broken - there was weird UI glitches, bookmarks [i]still[/i] don't sort properly, and there was weird crashes all over the place... and at this point google chrome had already become the most popular browser available. You'd be nuts to think it won that place on merrit, it won it by advertising on google.com
[QUOTE=Elspin;46586969]...whiiiich as above only happened in the EU AFAIK and only happened because of an anti-trust suit there.
Bullshit, google offering better service didn't make the browser popular, google advertising it on their unbelievably popular website did. When you straight up tell people "our browser is better" on what is probably the most popular website on the planet you can't get much more influence than that. When I got google chrome nearly everything was broken - there was weird UI glitches, bookmarks [i]still[/i] don't sort properly, and there was weird crashes all over the place... and at this point google chrome had already become the most popular browser available. You'd be nuts to think it won that place on merrit, it won it by advertising on google.com[/QUOTE]
Time and time again browsers have been marketed as the "best around". Doesn't matter if it's on Google's homepage or not; you always come across links that say that. You're also making the assumption that just because it's there the many people that were locked into using IE would make the switch.
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