I'll be keeping an ear to the ground throughout the winter months opening 2017, and if everything I hear is good, come springtime I may be retiring this Phenom II 720BE tricore I'm using. Was planning on an i7, but shit, if AMD's finally got a winner for the first time since K8 I may stick with them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50920272]I'll be keeping an ear to the ground throughout the winter months opening 2017, and if everything I hear is good, come springtime I may be retiring this Phenom II 720BE tricore I'm using. Was planning on an i7, but shit, if AMD's finally got a winner for the first time since K8 I may stick with them.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that be something...
Deneb/Thuban was also a very solid line. I personally enjoyed the PhenomII x4 and x6 processors.
I was thinking about going Skylake for my next build, but I am going to sit here and wait about Zen. If everything is what I hear, this could be a big winner for AMD.
I buy AMD either way because it's usually cheaper and I can't afford intel shit.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50922546]I buy AMD either way because it's usually cheaper and I can't afford intel shit.[/QUOTE]
If you really put it into perspective AMD isn't that much cheaper. An FX8350 build would be around the same price point as a i5-6600K build and you'll get better performance w/ the i5. Not to mention less worrying about after market cooling.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50922657]If you really put it into perspective AMD isn't that much cheaper. An FX8350 build would be around the same price point as a i5-6600K build and you'll get better performance w/ the i5. Not to mention less worrying about after market cooling.[/QUOTE]
Can't really compare CPUs that are generations apart.
If I had to choose between the 8320/8350 and i5 2400 "at the time of release" I would definitely would of chosen the FX. Ignoring possible upgrade paths of course.
For just $50 more than the i5 6600k itself cost at the time (Not counting the motherboard I would have needed to get to use it) I was able to get an FX8350 AND an R9 380 with 4GB.
AMD might not have the same performance as Intel (Until Zen if what we've seen so far holds to be true), but AMD wins hands down with the budget
As far after market coolers, the 212 EVO is amazing, and one of the cheapest options to boot, and it'll work for either AMD or Intel. You should have one if you don't have water cooling.
I was extremely positively surprised by the RX 480's performance, so I'm having faith in the Zen.
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As far after market coolers, the 212 EVO is amazing, and one of the cheapest options to boot, and it'll work for either AMD or Intel. You should have one if you don't have water cooling.[/QUOTE]
FX 6350 here, stock cooler was tiny and barely kept the CPU cool. Switched to the 212 EVO and I can hardly hear it. I did have to take out one of my case fans though because the 212 is fucking massive.
Well apparently leaked benchmarks are putting it at the same level as haswell which was Intels last big architecure before the fucking disaster that was broadwell/skylake.
People might say that's a downside but my 4790K is a fucking workhorse so if it can perform as good or slightly better for cheaper, then fine! Anything to make up for the fucking horrendous parade of embarrassment that was bulldozer/steamroller/piledriver/excavator.
[QUOTE=Ta16;50924346]Well apparently leaked benchmarks are putting it at the same level as haswell which was Intels last big architecure before the fucking disaster that was broadwell/skylake.
People might say that's a downside but my 4790K is a fucking workhorse so if it can perform as good or slightly better for cheaper, then fine! Anything to make up for the fucking horrendous parade of embarrassment that was bulldozer/steamroller/piledriver/excavator.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with broadwell and skylake?
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50922657]If you really put it into perspective AMD isn't that much cheaper. An FX8350 build would be around the same price point as a i5-6600K build and you'll get better performance w/ the i5. Not to mention less worrying about after market cooling.[/QUOTE]
And how much must you skimp on the quality of the motherboard to get the price point to match up? Some people, myself included, refuse to buy a substandard part and that often means having to buy a lower performance processor to make it work in budget.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50925700]And how much must you skimp on the quality of the motherboard to get the price point to match up? Some people, myself included, refuse to buy a substandard part and that often means having to buy a lower performance processor to make it work in budget.[/QUOTE]
Not really skimped at all. A main stream board (not something like a ROG or other fancy boards, just your standard board) is about $304 w/ the 6600K. A high end board of course will set you back at around $380-400
AMD, you can get a standard board w/ CPU at around $230-$240 with a higher end board around $290.
Again these are deals with the bundled processors (using microcenter for their bundled prices).
All figures i used are for ATX boards. All AMD boards are 990FX. Keep in mind, the AMD technology is ~3 years old now. Which shouldn't have a major bearing, the 8350 is a fantastic processor but the 6600K runs cooler, and performs better from the figures im reading.
hoping for it to be good but expecting a disappointment
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[QUOTE=TestECull;50925700]And how much must you skimp on the quality of the motherboard to get the price point to match up? Some people, myself included, refuse to buy a substandard part and that often means having to buy a lower performance processor to make it work in budget.[/QUOTE]
what motherboard are you buying, just about any ~$60 is all you need, what features are you missing? RGB lighting?
It shouldn't go without saying, if you already have an AMD AM3+ board of any vintage, you can just slap a 8350 in there with probably just a bios update. Their socket schedule is amazing for backwards compatability. So an AM3+ board will handle a AM3 processor. Intel on the other hand has a pin add/remove fetish and nothing is compatible with any other. A 1155 wont work in a 1156, 1150 wont work with a 1151 etc.
Its really annoying that once you go with the 6th generation i5, you cant upgrade to a 6th generation i7 without upgrading your board too. Thats really a big downfall for Intel, you're just so committed to the build with little/no upgrade pathing.
[editline]You broke my merge you jerk[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;50925819]hoping for it to be good but expecting a disappointment
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what motherboard are you buying, just about any ~$60 is all you need, what features are you missing? RGB lighting?[/QUOTE]
im by no means expecting a disappointment seeing intel is already at high alert. With the performance of the RX480 im expecting Zen to also have great gains.
~$60 for a board is pretty cheap. Going a cheap board usually means cheaper quality in components and design. No shielding around the VRM, lower grade caps.. it really bites at the longivity of the product. And when boards begin to falter, you really get some wonky issues.
If you can live with a mATX board, sure. But if you go ATX, you just usually run into shitty little problems down the road. I had a 1155 board that was killing sticks of RAM because of a failing cap (it sprung a leak) only after a few years of use. The board was some microstar crap bag special we got it on. You get what you pay for.
AMD have nailed socket consistency, tbh.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50925832]It shouldn't go without saying, if you already have an AMD AM3+ board of any vintage, you can just slap a 8350 in there with probably just a bios update. Their socket schedule is amazing for backwards compatability. So an AM3+ board will handle a AM3 processor. Intel on the other hand has a pin add/remove fetish and nothing is compatible with any other. A 1155 wont work in a 1156, 1150 wont work with a 1151 etc.
Its really annoying that once you go with the 6th generation i5, you cant upgrade to a 6th generation i7 without upgrading your board too. Thats really a big downfall for Intel, you're just so committed to the build with little upgrade pathing.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't put an 8350 into any AM3/AM3+ motherboard. The high TDP of those processors will really stress the VRMs. Especially on lower end boards.
I've seen people experience throttling due to inadequate cooling and bad quality VRMs.
[QUOTE=ghost901;50925914]I wouldn't put an 8350 into any AM3/AM3+ motherboard. The high TDP of those processors will really stress the VRMs. Especially on lower end boards.
I've seen people experience throttling due to inadequate cooling and bad quality VRMs.[/QUOTE]
My board isn't some really fancy board. In fact its just a 780 chipset, coupled with a 125w 1090T
The VRMs do have heatsinking on them though.
The 8350 is only 95w. The FX9 series you need to really be careful about with its 220w tdp.
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I would always recommend against getting any board without heat sinking on the VRM unless you got a sub 95w package. Still, its just one of those things you should have on your board if possible.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50925953]The 8350 is only 95w. The FX9 series you need to really be careful about with its 220w tdp.
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The only 8 core chips that are 95w are the 8320e and 8370e.
If a motherboard can handle the 1090T without any issues then it should handle the 8350.
[QUOTE=ghost901;50926110]The only 8 core chips that are 95w are the 8320e and 8370e.
If a motherboard can handle the 1090T without any issues then it should handle the 8350.[/QUOTE]
Oh my yeah sorry I did bugger that up didnt I?
[QUOTE=mark6789;50925004]What's wrong with broadwell and skylake?[/QUOTE]
I shouldn't have put broadwell as it was just a smaller Haswell so that's my bad I'll take the hit for that.
As for Skylake, Intel hyped it to be a big step over Haswell which was it's direct predecessor. Alot of people were pretty upset when it was released as it seemed to be only a [URL="https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/skylake-i7-6700k-lose-to-haswell-i7-4790k-in-gaming.215004/"]marginal improvement over haswell and in some areas even underperformed[/URL]. There were also some big QA issues plaguing Skylake too,[URL="http://www.extremetech.com/computing/220953-skylake-bug-causes-intel-chips-to-freeze-in-complex-workloads"] including freezing when handling complex loads[/URL], and the fact that the CPU was [URL="http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/intel-skylake-cpus-bent-and-broken-by-some-third-party-coolers/"]prone to bending when using after market coolers[/URL] though that's more of design oversight than a Quality Assurance problem.
I'm perfectly happy with my Haswell, I probably won't need to replace this PC until after Tigerlake and Icelake come out, which I hope will be a big improvement over skylake/cannonlake. I haven't used AMD (Athlon X2) in a long time but I want AMD to come out with really powerful CPUs that push Intel, or I guess if AMD overtakes Intel one day I guess I'll switch back.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50924319]FX 6350 here, stock cooler was tiny and barely kept the CPU cool. Switched to the 212 EVO and I can hardly hear it. I did have to take out one of my case fans though because the 212 is fucking massive.[/QUOTE]
Had to remove a side panel fan to fit mine in also, but that's alright. Those side panel fans make basically zero difference. As long as there's one intake and exhaust in the case, even if it's pitiful, you'll be alright no matter how bad the air flow is. As long as the fans on the heat sinks themselves aren't physically blocked by something up against them, the temperatures won't be affected
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Just wait until he starts stuffing T-shirts in the case
[QUOTE=mark6789;50925004]What's wrong with broadwell and skylake?[/QUOTE]
Price v performance compared to previous generations is not great, especially the price part.
what about the apus?
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what motherboard are you buying, just about any ~$60 is all you need, what features are you missing? RGB lighting?[/QUOTE]
How about 'lives longer than six months and doesn't randomly crash'? That's been the experience every time I bought a lower end motherboard, which is why I don't buy them. When I spec'd this machine out back in 2009 I went out of my way to find a motherboard that had staying power, one that was going to be durable and long lived. It paid off, the damned thing is still running great today. I could have put a quad core in the build if I went with a cheap mobo, but what would I have truly gained? An unreliable system? Having to spend the money on this board anyway six months down the line when the el-cheapo POS failed entirely?
Being able to last north of 5 years with 24/7 uptime(I never shut my rig down) is a huge buying point with me. I can't afford upgrading these parts more often than that.
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[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50925785]Not really skimped at all. A main stream board (not something like a ROG or other fancy boards, just your standard board) is about $304 w/ the 6600K. A high end board of course will set you back at around $380-400
AMD, you can get a standard board w/ CPU at around $230-$240 with a higher end board around $290.
Again these are deals with the bundled processors (using microcenter for their bundled prices).
All figures i used are for ATX boards. All AMD boards are 990FX. Keep in mind, the AMD technology is ~3 years old now. Which shouldn't have a major bearing, the 8350 is a fantastic processor but the 6600K runs cooler, and performs better from the figures im reading.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, here in the real world, we have to choose between fast and durable because both on one board eats up > one paycheck. I'd kill for a budget that lets me not worry about durability like you somehow have.
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Meanwhile, here in the real world, we have to choose between fast and durable because both on one board eats up > one paycheck. I'd kill for a budget that lets me not worry about durability like you somehow have.[/QUOTE]
Real world? lol. I don't get a huge paycheck here either man. Depending on where your realworld lies and where mine begins, I don't consider myself pocking a fair amount of money into my pocket after every pay period.
I'll pay $50 more for some more critical components if it means they have a chance of outliving their warranties. I don't go out spending $1000+ on a build at all. And my last 2 builds have been AMD. (Athlon 2800XP, 955BE/1090T).
Buying cheaper components leaves you with shorter warranties, shorter lifespans, and you end up spending more down the road. So throwing extra money on some components is generally a good idea.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50928563]Real world? lol. I don't get a huge paycheck here either man. Depending on where your realworld lies and where mine begins, I don't consider myself pocking a fair amount of money into my pocket after every pay period.
I'll pay $50 more for some more critical components if it means they have a chance of outliving their warranties. I don't go out spending $1000+ on a build at all. And my last 2 builds have been AMD. (Athlon 2800XP, 955BE/1090T).
Buying cheaper components leaves you with shorter warranties, shorter lifespans, and you end up spending more down the road. So throwing extra money on some components is generally a good idea.[/QUOTE]
You were quoting motherboards that, alone, eat up my entire upgrade budget.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50929418]You were quoting motherboards that, alone, eat up my entire upgrade budget.[/QUOTE]
No, i said that is with CPU and board. I would never recommend someone dropping $300+ on a board.
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