• Square Enix to allow monetization of videos and streams of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
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Who bets TB won't make a video on matter of principle?
You know I kind of have to agree with Slowbeef and Diabetus, what right makes LPers, streamers or the like feel they have a right to make money off of it? They didn't make the game, and doing commentary or LP vaguely counts as "Content" because without the video game you'd have nothing. It's one thing to just DCMA every video of a game (SEGA), but I think if a dev doesn't want you to make money off their game, that's fine because you can't seriously tell me you're creating your own content, when it always revolves around a game. It's a touchy subject no doubt, but I feel like a lot of streamers and youtubers have become very entitled thinking that as long as they slap a commentary over a game, that its 100% their own content.
[QUOTE=woolio1;42021346]Who bets TB won't make a video on matter of principle?[/QUOTE] Jesse was the one covering it, not TB.
[QUOTE=Silent_Death;42021421]You know I kind of have to agree with Slowbeef and Diabetus, what right makes LPers, streamers or the like feel they have a right to make money off of it? They didn't make the game, and doing commentary or LP vaguely counts as "Content" because without the video game you'd have nothing. It's one thing to just DCMA every video of a game (SEGA), but I think if a dev doesn't want you to make money off their game, that's fine because you can't seriously tell me you're creating your own content, when it always revolves around a game. It's a touchy subject no doubt, but I feel like a lot of streamers and youtubers have become very entitled thinking that as long as they slap a commentary over a game, that its 100% their own content.[/QUOTE] if making funny and watchable commentary was so easy then people wouldn't be making thousands of dollars a month doing it this is basically the same as a movie critic reviewing a movie, they'll show clips from the movie but guess what, games are much longer and more complex, especially MMOs, which means it takes more clips to be able to get a feel for it when you create commentary you are creating content, not to mention the time you put into editing the world is built around using other people's products to make money, so why should it be different for games? what makes games so special that every video game developer is a saint doing the right thing? also the youtube partner program, which every big youtuber is a part of, takes care of all licenses, it's not like the video game developer is getting nothing for their part in the content
[QUOTE=Silent_Death;42021421]You know I kind of have to agree with Slowbeef and Diabetus, what right makes LPers, streamers or the like feel they have a right to make money off of it? They didn't make the game, and doing commentary or LP vaguely counts as "Content" because without the video game you'd have nothing. It's one thing to just DCMA every video of a game (SEGA), but I think if a dev doesn't want you to make money off their game, that's fine because you can't seriously tell me you're creating your own content, when it always revolves around a game. It's a touchy subject no doubt, but I feel like a lot of streamers and youtubers have become very entitled thinking that as long as they slap a commentary over a game, that its 100% their own content.[/QUOTE] As valid as I hold your opinion on this side of the matter, reviewers would've also had gotten shafted by SE's previous policy. When they are given a press copy and a note alongside it asking to put in at least 40mins to let the game grow on them they should be allowed to make their revenue like any other reviewer, whether it be through a visual or written medium (SE's previous policy practically forced them to only make written reviews for FFXIV). When they are told they can't make a youtube review on it (like being able to show the viewer just how awesome your game is) that practically means they would be doing it for no profit and raises the question of if it's really worth putting out a review at all. That would've severely hurt sales as reviews are essential for most potential customers.
[QUOTE=Silent_Death;42021421]You know I kind of have to agree with Slowbeef and Diabetus, what right makes LPers, streamers or the like feel they have a right to make money off of it? They didn't make the game, and doing commentary or LP vaguely counts as "Content" because without the video game you'd have nothing. It's one thing to just DCMA every video of a game (SEGA), but I think if a dev doesn't want you to make money off their game, that's fine because you can't seriously tell me you're creating your own content, when it always revolves around a game. It's a touchy subject no doubt, but I feel like a lot of streamers and youtubers have become very entitled thinking that as long as they slap a commentary over a game, that its 100% their own content.[/QUOTE] What? LP is centered around the people. People watch Pewdiepie because of Pewdiepie and his "hilarious" rape jokes and screaming. When they aren't watching LP for the people's jokes and reactions they're watching LP's to see HOW THEY PLAY the game. Without the people LP's is nothing. Nobody actually watches LP to watch someone play the game unless they just want to know what the game is like. They are absolutely creating content because you control the characters, you interact with the environment and you make the commentary that people enjoy. Nobody watches it for the game alone, saying that just proves how little you know about LP's.
[QUOTE=Fangz;42021468]Jesse was the one covering it, not TB.[/QUOTE]Content Patch on the 28th Episode 135 it was the leading story.
[QUOTE=JerryK;42022210]this is basically the same as a movie critic reviewing a movie, they'll show clips from the movie but guess what, games are much longer and more complex, especially MMOs, which means it takes more clips to be able to get a feel for it[/QUOTE] See, here's the thing though. I'd agree with you if we were comparing movie and video game critics, but you're not; you're comparing critics and [I]let's players[/I]. Critics are there to provide criticism and opinion of a piece, to tell you whether they think it is good or bad. Their commentary has value. There are a wide spectrum of LPers, but a surprisingly popular type of them have commentary that roughly amounts to "This is a barrel. I have made a running joke about barrels. Thus, I will scream the fact that it's a barrel into the microphone."
[QUOTE=dgg;42022876]What? LP is centered around the people. People watch Pewdiepie because of Pewdiepie and his "hilarious" rape jokes and screaming. When they aren't watching LP for the people's jokes and reactions they're watching LP's to see HOW THEY PLAY the game. Without the people LP's is nothing. Nobody actually watches LP to watch someone play the game unless they just want to know what the game is like. They are absolutely creating content because you control the characters, you interact with the environment and you make the commentary that people enjoy. Nobody watches it for the game alone, saying that just proves how little you know about LP's.[/QUOTE] I watched a LP of Metal Gear Solid 4 just for the cutscenes. C: Heavy Rain, too.
[QUOTE=dgg;42022876]What? LP is centered around the people. People watch Pewdiepie because of Pewdiepie and his "hilarious" rape jokes and screaming. When they aren't watching LP for the people's jokes and reactions they're watching LP's to see HOW THEY PLAY the game. Without the people LP's is nothing. Nobody actually watches LP to watch someone play the game unless they just want to know what the game is like. They are absolutely creating content because you control the characters, you interact with the environment and you make the commentary that people enjoy. Nobody watches it for the game alone, saying that just proves how little you know about LP's.[/QUOTE] LP was created, on Something Awful, intending to show people lesser known games, it was originally made to basically just show off games people didn't know about. The point is, without the game LPer's have nothing to to build on, if your point was right, then people que up LP videos, then alt-tab to just listen to commentary. Also your logic is flawed "You control the character" Correct, of a game that was produced by a company. Commentary is content, but when you're using a game that was an already made product, you can't say a LP is 100% User created content, because the whole idea of LP relies on a product that was created by a developer.
[QUOTE=Silent_Death;42021421]You know I kind of have to agree with Slowbeef and Diabetus, what right makes LPers, streamers or the like feel they have a right to make money off of it? They didn't make the game, and doing commentary or LP vaguely counts as "Content" because without the video game you'd have nothing. It's one thing to just DCMA every video of a game (SEGA), but I think if a dev doesn't want you to make money off their game, that's fine because you can't seriously tell me you're creating your own content, when it always revolves around a game. It's a touchy subject no doubt, but I feel like a lot of streamers and youtubers have become very entitled thinking that as long as they slap a commentary over a game, that its 100% their own content.[/QUOTE] They have every right to make money off it, its like a bike company saying oh hey, you use our bike in your movie, you're not allowed to make money off it
[QUOTE=viperfan7;42027419]They have every right to make money off it, its like a bike company saying oh hey, you use our bike in your movie, you're not allowed to make money off it[/QUOTE] Except unlike bikes, there is a clause in every game's EULA since forever, that allows the company to dictate how their game is used in media, and if they so want, they can make it so streamers and content creators can't make a dime. Not saying they can't, just saying that it is pretty sad that these people feel entitled, when game companies are allowing them to, Allowing, it is not their given right.
[QUOTE=Silent_Death;42027554]Except unlike bikes, there is a clause in every game's EULA since forever, that allows the company to dictate how their game is used in media, and if they so want, they can make it so streamers and content creators can't make a dime. Not saying they can't, just saying that it is pretty sad that these people feel entitled, when game companies are allowing them to, Allowing, it is not their given right.[/QUOTE] EULAs mean jack shit. The mean so little that until a couple of years ago Blizzard had a clause claiming that buying their games gave them ownership of your soul. Even the companies don't take them seriously.
I watch some LPs just to see the reaction someone I like to watch's reaction
The swift reversal makes me think that they didn't realise how big of an issue it was.
[QUOTE=Seyiji;42023298]Content Patch on the 28th Episode 135 it was the leading story.[/QUOTE] 99% of the time he never does WTFs of MMOs because he has said he is burnt out on that type of game.
[QUOTE=Fangz;42031095]99% of the time he never does WTFs of MMOs because he has said he is burnt out on that type of game.[/QUOTE] He was pretty open about giving it a spin though seeing how Jesse hyped the game up on TGS and Co-optional
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