I'm confused, so if somebody buys the game on Humble they can't leave a review that factors into the score now? ¿Que?
It happened before, some devs gift keys to themselves or friends to write positive reviews. Don't know if this will apply to bundle keys.
Maybe there is a difference in free keys and the ones generated after being bought?
[QUOTE=Problem;51941386]I'm confused, so if somebody buys the game on Humble they can't leave a review that factors into the score now? ¿Que?[/QUOTE]
IMO they should whitelist some key sources if they can
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51942038]IMO they should whitelist some key sources if they can[/QUOTE]
Do they have the capability to do that? A key should just be a key to Valve's systems.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51942083]Do they have the capability to do that? A key should just be a key to Valve's systems.[/QUOTE]
As long as the key wasn't resold and bounced around they should know who they allocated what keys to. There's still something that verifies in their system as a sold key.
P silly I can't review a game I got gifted or whatever.
[QUOTE=redBadger;51942110]P silly I can't review a game I got gifted or whatever.[/QUOTE]
You can review it, it just doesn't count to the overall percentage.
Honestly this makes sense in a way. Odds are your overall distributions on reviews aren't going to vary much between people who bought the game through steam and those who bought it elsewhere, it's the same game. So it shouldn't affect the overall score although it will reduce a big channel of abusing the scoring system.
I think playtime and paid dlc should factor into this. For example, if someone was gifted the $15 Rainbow Six Siege starter pack, but then they themselves bought the season pass that's over double that cost and played it for like 200 hours, I'd be inclined to listen to their opinion on the game.
But under these rules, they won't affect the scoring.
[QUOTE=Problem;51941386]I'm confused, so if somebody buys the game on Humble they can't leave a review that factors into the score now? ¿Que?[/QUOTE]
afaik this is where it's really hard to tell the difference.
for example, if i bought a game on humble and used the key on myself, then those reviews should count. however, if i bought the game and gave the key to someone else for free then their reviews shouldn't count according to their standard.
wonder how they're going to solve that
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51942083]Do they have the capability to do that? A key should just be a key to Valve's systems.[/QUOTE]
They could have keys between certain values be for specific things. Like keys between aaa-aaaa-aaa and ccc-cccc-cccc are reserved for whatever non-review eligible stuff or whatever. Yeah technically you'd have a finite number of keys to give out but seriously who's straight up running a legit business model and giving out millions of codes? This kind of key blocking would allow you to assign weighted review value to keys as well, since a key sourced from a humble bundle type deal shouldn't count with the same weight as one sourced at full product price because price does actually play a considerable factor in one's perception of the product. If you bought a shitty burger from McDonalds for a dollar, and bought literally the same quality burger from a different place for four dollars, you're going to say the four dollar burger was shit but you're less likely to complain about a $1 burger from McDonalds because it's a dollar.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51942086]As long as the key wasn't resold and bounced around they should know who they allocated what keys to. There's still something that verifies in their system as a sold key.[/QUOTE]
Sort of... you batch generate keys with what are basically three fields. First field is the Tag, which is a Valve populated list of "reasons" for the keys, Humble bundle is one of these tags, so are things like Amazon and other retailers.
You can technically query keys, but that just gives you if it's activated, when, what app it activates, and the tag. It's better than it used to be, but it's still far from transparency to whomever handles keys at a company.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51953257]Sort of... you batch generate keys with what are basically three fields. First field is the Tag, which is a Valve populated list of "reasons" for the keys, Humble bundle is one of these tags, so are things like Amazon and other retailers.
You can technically query keys, but that just gives you if it's activated, when, what app it activates, and the tag. It's better than it used to be, but it's still far from transparency to whomever handles keys at a company.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't Valve just need the tag field to whitelist a source though? The tag should be the source.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51953783]Wouldn't Valve just need the tag field to whitelist a source though? The tag should be the source.[/QUOTE]
Sure, the issue is that the game devs that are using these 'free keys' could just set the tag to whatever whitelisted ones exist.
I say 'free' because you can generate any and all keys ala carte without paying a dime, valve has no direct involvement.
Bigger news should be that effectively only games bought on steam count to reviews, so even boxed copies won't count.
[QUOTE=Endzeit7;51941991]It happened before, some devs gift keys to themselves or friends to write positive reviews. Don't know if this will apply to bundle keys.
Maybe there is a difference in free keys and the ones generated after being bought?[/QUOTE]
No there is not, all key activations are not counting into the overall score.
Even gifted copies are excluded.
[QUOTE=redBadger;51942110]P silly I can't review a game I got gifted or whatever.[/QUOTE]
I think it is fair though. Somebody like a developer could gift the game, and even otherwise, you did not actually pay for the game, so you would not know whether or not it was worth the price.
Although yes I do hope that reviews from people who got their key through methods such as Humble Bundle will still be considered.
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