It's because there are still so little games for Linux. If all my favorite games support linux and don't crash all the time etc, it's byebye Windows and hello Linux for me.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40563185]It's because there are still so little games for Linux. If all my favorite games support linux and don't crash all the time etc, it's byebye Windows and hello Linux for me.[/QUOTE]
I'd also imagine its because Steam's recommended distro is a pile of ass
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40563231]I'd also imagine its because Steam's recommended distro is a pile of ass[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with Ubuntu?
All I want is a Dota 2 client for Linux, at that point it would be good bye windows.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40563185]It's because there are still so little games for Linux. If all my favorite games support linux and don't crash all the time etc, it's byebye Windows and hello Linux for me.[/QUOTE]
This. Once Linux becomes more of a standard platform for games in the eyes of developers I'll jump the Windows ship and never look back.
It's kind of a vicious cycle between "no games? I'll stick to Windows" and "no Linux users? Not gonna bother porting".
I wonder if they can send a clearer sign with a potential Steam Box, in which case what we're currently seeing is only groundwork to make things compatible on a basic level before moving on to the main project.
Tho honestly after Linux' history I'm finding it hard to believe it could break out of its niche. Especially on consoles now that Apple wants a slice of the cake in addition to Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. Wouldn't be the first time Valve's making a mistake, tho a more open system could prove to be a powerful advantage even after the next gen has started.
TBH, There is no point in using Linux when GPU drivers are this bad, I mean, did you ever use an AMD GPU on Linux? Its a nightmare!
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40563253]What's wrong with Ubuntu?[/QUOTE]
People here seem to think linux has to either a) be too hard for normal people to use or b) look exactly like Windows, Ubuntu is neither of these things.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40564473]People here seem to think linux has to either a) be too hard for normal people to use or b) look exactly like Windows, Ubuntu is neither of these things.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe it could be that the last time I used Ubuntu enabling autologin after installing with default settings completely bricked it without warning, but no your reasoning is great too :v:
Sure some of the other distros [b]can[/b] be harder to set up, but almost every other distro I've tried has worked better.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;40563297]This. Once Linux becomes more of a standard platform for games in the eyes of developers I'll jump the Windows ship and never look back.[/QUOTE]
How is it ever going to be a standard platform for games if no one that plays games want to use it because it isn't a standard platform for games yet?
You can't just expect to get, get and get, you have to give too.
Nobody spends tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to port a game for a platform they statistically have no means to earn back the money from just in the faint hope that "maybe they'll use the platform if we push our games on it" (even though they are all on Windows anyways so there is no fucking use to do so and only a waste of money)
[QUOTE=dgg;40565010]How is it ever going to be a standard platform for games if no one that plays games want to use it because it isn't a standard platform for games yet?[/QUOTE]
It's a vicious cycle and someone has to break it.
Just like the case with OpenGL and DirectX.
[QUOTE=Bumrang;40565036]It's a vicious cycle and someone has to break it.
Just like the case with OpenGL and DirectX.[/QUOTE]
The case with OpenGL seems to be more of a mixture of marketing and plain unawereness though.
Developers that are taught to use DirectX and haven't heard much of OpenGL or aren't really aware of how it competes against DirectX.
And Microsoft pushing DirectX through all channels and means to ensure that people don't really pay any attention to OpenGL and instead use their own solution.
Linux is a user made problem where people don't want to use Linux because they can just use Windows and thus won't take action to prove that there is a market for Linux.
[QUOTE=dgg;40565070]The case with OpenGL seems to be more of a mixture of marketing and plain unawereness though.
Developers that are taught to use DirectX and haven't heard much of OpenGL or aren't really aware of how it competes against DirectX.
And Microsoft pushing DirectX through all channels and means to ensure that people don't really pay any attention to OpenGL and instead use their own solution.
Linux is a user made problem where people don't want to use Linux because they can just use Windows and thus won't take action to prove that there is a market for Linux.[/QUOTE]
They're pretty similar to be honest.
Users don't want to switch to Linux because it's too hard to learn and/or they're fine with Windows.
Developers don't want to switch to OpenGL because they know DirectX and moving is too much of a hassle. I personally learned OpenGL first and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to learn DirectX anytime soon.
It's just a problem of convenience.
Linux has bad software and game support which makes it a worse platform to go for, that argument isn't transferable to OpenGL.
But yes, Windows is certainly a popularity and convenience thing as well.
I know nothing about computers when it comes to something like this, so as a stupid consumer I can say that if valve can prove that linux is ultimately better for gaming than windows, and back that up with an extensive library (which I imagine will happen within a few years, if not sooner), then I will at the very least consider jumping ship.
Too bad I I have absolutely no reason to use Linux
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40563231]I'd also imagine its because Steam's recommended distro is a pile of ass[/QUOTE]
it honestly pained me when Steam for Linux came out and there were comments like "Linux looks ugly, it's all brown/orange" and "Why doesn't whoever make Linux stop copying Mac".
Im just too computerly challenged to know how to use linux, let alone learn/know any difference it has to Windows.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;40563231]I'd also imagine its because Steam's recommended distro is a pile of ass[/QUOTE]
oh look, the most widely used distro, and perhaps the only distro people are able to associate an actual name to is a pile of ass.
If Ubuntu is crap, what is a person who has little idea about linux supposed to get?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;40566563]oh look, the most widely used distro, and perhaps the only distro people are able to associate an actual name to is a pile of ass.
If Ubuntu is crap, what is a person who has little idea about linux supposed to get?[/QUOTE]
Want to just dip your feet in Linux, maybe just run it off of a USB one time to get the feel of it?
Sure, go with Ubuntu.
You're pretty confident about trying out Linux but there is still a little part of you that says "well Windows..."?
Mint or Debian.
You absolutely don't give a shit and want to go head first into Linux, knowing you'll probably fuck up somewhere but you really want to just feel like you did everything?
Arch.
[QUOTE=redBadger;40565795]Too bad I I have absolutely no reason to use Linux[/QUOTE]
At its current state Linux is not suitable for the normal user. Right now it's geared towards power users and programmers, I'd imagine someone that has only used Windows and only plays TF2 would have quite a bit of trouble getting Linux to work. Plus there really aren't that many games on Linux but hopefully that will change soon.
What about Xubuntu, the superior variant?
My favorite part of this article is that they called the Steam box the "Gabe Cube".
[QUOTE=redBadger;40565795]Too bad I I have absolutely no reason to use Linux[/QUOTE]
it genuinely is better than Windows (granted it's not hard to be better than an OS that is more about ensuring monopoly control than to be a good OS) it just needs better graphics card drivers and game support
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40566855]it genuinely is better than Windows (granted it's not hard to be better than an OS that is more about ensuring monopoly control than to be a good OS) it just needs better graphics card drivers and game support[/QUOTE]
so in a lot of people's eyes its not any better than windows because windows has key things that linux doesn't
[QUOTE=mixshifter;40566873]so in a lot of people's eyes its not any better than windows because windows has key things that linux doesn't[/QUOTE]
Could you repeat the question?
[QUOTE=mixshifter;40566873]so in a lot of people's eyes its not any better than windows because windows has key things that linux doesn't[/QUOTE]
well I'm talking about the OS itself, not the circumstance of developer support. Allot of Linux distros (such as Mint) are allot easier to use (smartphone like app updates for all your installed programs, consistent UI's, lots of similarities to OSX because of Unix influence) and most (good) Linux distros are much faster and lighter than Windows.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;40563253]What's wrong with Ubuntu?[/QUOTE]
It's a bloat-filled, dumbed-down corruption of Debian.
(Although to be fair, it's a lot more frequently updated, and you can get rid of some of the bloat with Xubuntu or Linux Mint)
There's always Wine.
This is kind of an unfair data representation I think, Windows 8 is in every single premade laptop/desktop I see for sale now, while Linux continues to let people choose to download it.
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