Is this a good gaming computer?

[RudeMcRude]

Hey, I'm planning to buy a computer and video card. These seem pretty good to me. What do you think of them?

An HP Pavilion AMD Athlon II 645 Quad-Core Desktop Computer with a Zotac Geforce GTS 450 1GB DDR5 PCI-E Video Card

Computer: [url]https://www-ssl.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-pavilion-amd-athlon-ii-645-quad-core-desktop-computer-p7-1010-p7-1010/10172480.aspx?path=7204fa689281fb5a50bb986ef180b567en02[/url]

Card: [url]https://www-ssl.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/zotac-zotac-geforce-gts-450-1gb-ddr5-pci-e-video-card-zt-40503-10h/10158496.aspx?path=c65d17743db03d221d91f95db639b2f7en02[/url]

[Shadaez]

Not a very good deal, if building your own computer is an option, please do that - you will get more performance for your money. If not, use a good prebuilt company like CyberPowerPC (not sure if they ship to canada) or something local.

[RudeMcRude]

Well, I went to CyberPowerPC and built myself a top of the line computer

Case: * Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Full Tower Gaming Case w/ 4x SATA Hot-Swap Drive Bays & Side-Panel Window
Internal USB Extension Module: NZXT Internal USB 6-PORT Expansion Module + USB Bluetooth 2.X EDR Dongle with Led Light Thumb Size
Neon Light Upgrade: Flexible LED Interior Light Strip (Blue Color)
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Maximum Enermax 120MM Case Cooling Fans for selected case (Maximum Silent Operation) (500-1,200 RPM White Color with White LED Twister Bearing 8-14 dBA
Noise Reduction Technology: Sound Absorbing Foam on Side, Top And Bottom panels
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X6 1090T Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
Cooling Fan: CyberPower Xtreme Hydro Liquid Cooling Kit 240MM w/ Dual Fan(CPU & GPU Liquid Cool Capable, Extreme Overclcking Performance + Extreme Slient at 18dBA)
Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: High-Performance Non Conductive Coolant powered by Koolance (Blue Color
Motherboard: [3-Way CrossFireX/SLI] Asus Crosshair V Formula AMD 990FX Socket AM3+ ATX Mainboard w/ UEFI Bios, ROG Connect & 7.1 SupremeFX X-FI 2 Audio, GbLAN, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen2 PCIe X16, 1 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI
Freebies: None
Memory: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair Vengeance )
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Freebies: FREE Game Coupon Batman: Arkham City
Video Card 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Video Card 3: None
Dedicated PHYSX Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA
Free Game: None
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
Power Supply Upgrade: 1,500 Watts - Thermaltake TP-1500M ToughPower Modular Power Supply Model:W0171
Hard Drive: 480 GB ADATA S511 SATA III 6.0G/s Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+1283] (480GB x 4 (960GB Capacity) Raid 0+1 Extreme Performance with Data Security )
Data Hard Drive: 480 GB ADATA S511 SATA III 6.0G/s Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+1342] (480GB x 4 (960GB Capacity) Raid 0+1 Extreme Performance with Data Security )
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: Vigor iSURF II Hard Disk Drive Cooling System (3 x Systems)
External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): Thecus N2200 2-Bay NAS SATA Support Media AJAX-Based Web UI RAID 0,1 (2 x 500GB 5,400RPM Hard Drivers)
USB Flash Drive: USB 2.0 Portable Flash Drive (64GB )
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-206BK 12X Blu-Ray Writer (Black Color)
Optical Drive 2: Pioneer BDR-206BK 12X Blu-Ray Writer (Black Color)
Sound: Asus Xonar Xense 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCIe Sound Card w/ Sennheiser Headset
3D Vision Glasses: nVidia 3D Vision Glasses [Require 3D Ready Display to get 3D] + 2 x Additional Pairs of Glasses
Freebies: FREE! Duke Nukem Forever Game Coupon
LCD Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
2nd Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
3rd Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
Speakers: Corsair Gaming Audio Series SP2500 High-power 2.1 PC Speaker System
Network: Killer™ 2100 - Gigabit Maximum Network Performance Online Gaming Network Interface Card
Network Switch: Zonet ZFS-3408EP 8-Port Gigabit Network Switch
Keyboard: Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard w/ LCD Display
Mouse: Razer Mamba Wireless Gaming Laser 5600 dpi Mouse
Mouse Pad: Razer Ironclad - Hard Gaming Mouse Pad
Gaming Gear: MSI StarPad Multi Touchpad (Windows 7 Ready)
Logitech Attack 3 Gaming Joystick
Logitech G13 Advanced Gameboard
Logitech Driving Force GT Steering Wheel
Sunbeamtech LAN Party Strap Bag
Thermaltake eSports Gaming Glove
Logitech Gamepad F310
Zonet Dual 7 dBi Omni Directional High Gain Antenna
Extra Thermal Display: NZXT Sentry LX Aluminum High Performance Fan Control, Clock, & Temperature Display
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: Linksys WMP600N Wireless-N Dual-Band Adapter
External Wireless Network Card: Zonet ZEW2546 IEEE 802.11b/g/n Draft 2.0 USB 2.0 Wireless USB Adapter
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: Linksys E4200 Maximum Performance Dual-Band N Router
Bluetooth: USB Bluetooth 2.X EDR Dongle with Led Light Thumb Size
Flash Media Reader/Writer: PPA External Combo USB 2.0 Hub & Card Reader/Writer
Video Camera: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C910
Headset: * Corsair HS1NA USB Gaming Headset
Printer: Samsung ML-2525W Mono Laser Printer-Wireless
Cable: PPA 15FT HDMI to HDMI Male Gold Plated Black Cable ](3 pieces
Power Protection: * OPTI-UPS TS2250B 2000VA/1200W Uninterruptible Power Supply
Surge Protector: Ultra U12-40551 Smart 6 Outlet Surge Protector
IEEE1394 Card: IEEE 1394 CARD AND DRIVER
Internal USB Port: Internal USB 3.0 4-Port Hub
USB Port: Ultra ULT31808 USB 2.0 Sharing HUB for 2 Computers
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit Edition)
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: AverMedia AVerTV Dual Tuner (ATSC/QAM/NTSC) Combo PCIE Media Center with Remote Control (Watch one channel and record on the other channel) [+129]
Office Suite: Microsoft® Office® 2010 Professional (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, Outlook, Publisher + Access)
McAfee AntiVirus Plus 2011
Games: Street Fighter IV
Ultra Care Option: Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chassis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT

Came out to about $22,000
:V

[Hack]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32245881]Well, I went to CyberPowerPC and built myself a top of the line computer

Case: * Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Full Tower Gaming Case w/ 4x SATA Hot-Swap Drive Bays & Side-Panel Window
Internal USB Extension Module: NZXT Internal USB 6-PORT Expansion Module + USB Bluetooth 2.X EDR Dongle with Led Light Thumb Size
Neon Light Upgrade: Flexible LED Interior Light Strip (Blue Color)
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Maximum Enermax 120MM Case Cooling Fans for selected case (Maximum Silent Operation) (500-1,200 RPM White Color with White LED Twister Bearing 8-14 dBA
Noise Reduction Technology: Sound Absorbing Foam on Side, Top And Bottom panels
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X6 1090T Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
Cooling Fan: CyberPower Xtreme Hydro Liquid Cooling Kit 240MM w/ Dual Fan(CPU & GPU Liquid Cool Capable, Extreme Overclcking Performance + Extreme Slient at 18dBA)
Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: High-Performance Non Conductive Coolant powered by Koolance (Blue Color
Motherboard: [3-Way CrossFireX/SLI] Asus Crosshair V Formula AMD 990FX Socket AM3+ ATX Mainboard w/ UEFI Bios, ROG Connect & 7.1 SupremeFX X-FI 2 Audio, GbLAN, USB 3.0, SATA-III RAID, 4 Gen2 PCIe X16, 1 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI
Freebies: None
Memory: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair Vengeance )
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Freebies: FREE Game Coupon Batman: Arkham City
Video Card 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Dual GPU SLI 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Video Card 3: None
Dedicated PHYSX Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 3GB 16X PCIe Video Card (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA
Free Game: None
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
Power Supply Upgrade: 1,500 Watts - Thermaltake TP-1500M ToughPower Modular Power Supply Model:W0171
Hard Drive: 480 GB ADATA S511 SATA III 6.0G/s Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+1283] (480GB x 4 (960GB Capacity) Raid 0+1 Extreme Performance with Data Security )
Data Hard Drive: 480 GB ADATA S511 SATA III 6.0G/s Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+1342] (480GB x 4 (960GB Capacity) Raid 0+1 Extreme Performance with Data Security )
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: Vigor iSURF II Hard Disk Drive Cooling System (3 x Systems)
External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): Thecus N2200 2-Bay NAS SATA Support Media AJAX-Based Web UI RAID 0,1 (2 x 500GB 5,400RPM Hard Drivers)
USB Flash Drive: USB 2.0 Portable Flash Drive (64GB )
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-206BK 12X Blu-Ray Writer (Black Color)
Optical Drive 2: Pioneer BDR-206BK 12X Blu-Ray Writer (Black Color)
Sound: Asus Xonar Xense 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCIe Sound Card w/ Sennheiser Headset
3D Vision Glasses: nVidia 3D Vision Glasses [Require 3D Ready Display to get 3D] + 2 x Additional Pairs of Glasses
Freebies: FREE! Duke Nukem Forever Game Coupon
LCD Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
2nd Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
3rd Monitor: 23" Widescreen 1920x1080 Asus 3D VG236H Gaming LCD w/ NVIDIA 3D Visioin Glasses Bundle
Speakers: Corsair Gaming Audio Series SP2500 High-power 2.1 PC Speaker System
Network: Killer™ 2100 - Gigabit Maximum Network Performance Online Gaming Network Interface Card
Network Switch: Zonet ZFS-3408EP 8-Port Gigabit Network Switch
Keyboard: Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard w/ LCD Display
Mouse: Razer Mamba Wireless Gaming Laser 5600 dpi Mouse
Mouse Pad: Razer Ironclad - Hard Gaming Mouse Pad
Gaming Gear: MSI StarPad Multi Touchpad (Windows 7 Ready)
Logitech Attack 3 Gaming Joystick
Logitech G13 Advanced Gameboard
Logitech Driving Force GT Steering Wheel
Sunbeamtech LAN Party Strap Bag
Thermaltake eSports Gaming Glove
Logitech Gamepad F310
Zonet Dual 7 dBi Omni Directional High Gain Antenna
Extra Thermal Display: NZXT Sentry LX Aluminum High Performance Fan Control, Clock, & Temperature Display
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: Linksys WMP600N Wireless-N Dual-Band Adapter
External Wireless Network Card: Zonet ZEW2546 IEEE 802.11b/g/n Draft 2.0 USB 2.0 Wireless USB Adapter
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: Linksys E4200 Maximum Performance Dual-Band N Router
Bluetooth: USB Bluetooth 2.X EDR Dongle with Led Light Thumb Size
Flash Media Reader/Writer: PPA External Combo USB 2.0 Hub & Card Reader/Writer
Video Camera: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C910
Headset: * Corsair HS1NA USB Gaming Headset
Printer: Samsung ML-2525W Mono Laser Printer-Wireless
Cable: PPA 15FT HDMI to HDMI Male Gold Plated Black Cable ](3 pieces
Power Protection: * OPTI-UPS TS2250B 2000VA/1200W Uninterruptible Power Supply
Surge Protector: Ultra U12-40551 Smart 6 Outlet Surge Protector
IEEE1394 Card: IEEE 1394 CARD AND DRIVER
Internal USB Port: Internal USB 3.0 4-Port Hub
USB Port: Ultra ULT31808 USB 2.0 Sharing HUB for 2 Computers
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit Edition)
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: AverMedia AVerTV Dual Tuner (ATSC/QAM/NTSC) Combo PCIE Media Center with Remote Control (Watch one channel and record on the other channel) [+129]
Office Suite: Microsoft® Office® 2010 Professional (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, Outlook, Publisher + Access)
McAfee AntiVirus Plus 2011
Games: Street Fighter IV
Ultra Care Option: Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chassis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT

Came out to about $22,000
:V[/QUOTE]

Hope you mean $2200, 22k is a lot of a computer, you should of gotten a car.

[Shadaez]

He didn't buy it.

[editline]11th September 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32245881]huge thing[/QUOTE]
Are you unable to build a computer? If not, what is your total budget? I will try and find a good prebuilt for you.

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Hack;32246059]Hope you mean $2200, 22k is a lot of a computer, you should of gotten a car.[/QUOTE]

I just wanted to see how much the most expensive everything was. it came out to $22065

Anyways can someone point out a good gaming computer for under $1000? I dont need a monitor with it

[Shadaez]

[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229262[/url] is pretty good; i'll continue looking - don't you buy it just yet.

[RudeMcRude]

Sweet, Well i dont get the money till like weds or thurs. i gotta go to the bank for the loan.

[Shadaez]

That's the best I can find for the money. Once again, I recommend you build instead, that PC could easily be built (better) for around $800-850, but if you can't then it's the best you're going to find under $1000 in Canada most likely.

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;32246354]That's the best I can find for the money. Once again, I recommend you build instead, that PC could easily be built (better) for around $800-850, but if you can't then it's the best you're going to find under $1000 in Canada most likely.[/QUOTE]

Awesome, you've been a great help. I don't really want to go through the trouble of buying separate parts from different places to save a hundred bucks.

[PepperMD]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32246440]Awesome, you've been a great help. I don't really want to go through the trouble of buying separate parts from different places to save a hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]

Or to get a computer that is better? Shadaez will happily go through the trouble of getting you the parts.
You can save $200 building a computer, or get a computer that is $200 better. It's worth it by a long shot.

[DOG-GY]

So you'd rather save a few minutes over a couple hundred?

ok

[Shadaez]

sorry guys you're wrong:
[img]http://puu.sh/5wdJ[/img]
.
[img]http://puu.sh/5wdy[/img]
Convenience, a 3 year warranty, and free tech support is worth $100 to some people.

[PepperMD]

Almost all of those parts have about a 3-year warranty, and it's just - if not more - convenient.
Nobody uses tech support anyways.

[naos]

[QUOTE=PepperMD;32247062]
Nobody uses tech support anyways.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you don't, but some less literate people most likely do.

[nikomo]

[QUOTE=naos;32247086]Maybe you don't, but some less literate people most likely do.[/QUOTE]
Less literate people, like the type of people that even considers buying a prebuilt?
Ba-dum-dish

[PepperMD]

[QUOTE=naos;32247086]Maybe you don't, but some less literate people most likely do.[/QUOTE]

Google is better tech support then an Indian guy.

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;32246930]sorry guys you're wrong:
[img]http://puu.sh/5wdJ[/img]
.
[img]http://puu.sh/5wdy[/img]
Convenience, a 3 year warranty, and free tech support is worth $100 to some people.[/QUOTE]

Wow, most helpful place and person in all of Facepunch. Could you send me the links to buy that stuff so I can bookmark them until I make my loan.

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32247328]Wow, most helpful place and person in all of Facepunch. Could you send me the links to buy that stuff so I can bookmark them until I make my loan.[/QUOTE]
now you want to build? I was simply matching the specs of the prebuilt to show everyone it's not that bad a deal. If the money saving is worth it to you, and you are comfortable building (it really is easy) I'd gladly put together something. Is your budget still $1000, after shipping, or do you just want the same specs for less?

[RudeMcRude]

I have no problem building the computer. I am not a genius but I am more skilled than the average person. If it isn't much trouble I'd like the links. I haven't made up my mind whether or not I'll get pre-built or not, I have about $700 and I'm getting a $1000 loan this week, so a little over $1000 because of shipping is no problem. But i don't want to go into the 1100s

[Shadaez]

Are you interested at all in overclocking?

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;32247427]Are you interested at all in overclocking?[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely familiar of what that is.

My setup right now is a pentium 4 3.2 ghz processor with a geforce 8600gt video card and a 200gb hard drive. So that computer will be better in everyway. I'm not to interested in the minor details of it.

by the way, whats an example of what that computer could run? like how well would it run Skyrim?

[Shadaez]

I'll take that as a no; just trying to save you money and get you a better PC for the money.
Do you need Windows to install on it?
And keyboard / mouse?

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;32247462]I'll take that as a no; just trying to save you money and get you a better PC for the money.
Do you need Windows to install on it?[/QUOTE]
-snip-

i have a cheap keyboard and mouse (like $10) I think they work fine but if you recommend getting new ones, I can splurge a little more.

[Shadaez]

[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.733479[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.730598[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130576[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204[/url]
$977.00 shipped to BC (this includes shipping and GST/HST)

[RudeMcRude]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;32247556][url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.733479[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.730598[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130576[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204[/url]
$977.00 shipped to BC (this includes shipping and GST/HST)[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much

cost $1042.40 to ship to me.

[editline]11th September 2011[/editline]

So its about $50 cheaper to build my own

[Shadaez]

it's also far more powerful now that you don't need an OS, a 570 is much more powerful than the 560 provided in the prebuild.

[Myis]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32247632]Thank you very much

cost $1042.40 to ship to me.

[editline]11th September 2011[/editline]

So its about $50 cheaper to build my own[/QUOTE]

Bro, trust me. Seriously. When it comes to a gaming PC, if that's what you are using it for, gaming, you do not want to go pre built. We aren't being biased, but I would never suggest to anyone, ever, a pre built system if it's for gaming. Your options, customization, and budget are so much more flexible with building. I know building seems like kind of a hassle, but it really wont take you more than an hour (two hours if your a spaz about cable management, and it's a nice skill to have.

On a different note, if it's in your budget I would suggest SLI/Crossfire. I have two 460s in SLI, and it almost triples my performance as opposed to a single card. That's just my opinion though.

[RudeMcRude]

Well how well can that PC run games?

The one Shadaez recommended?

[Myis]

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;32248198]Well how well can that PC run games?

The one Shadaez recommended?[/QUOTE]

i5 2500K at 3.3, GTX 570, and 8 Gigs of RAM? Pretty fucking well.
Also, with cases as long as it's a "Mid-Tower ATX" it'll work, so as far as that goes go ahead and find one you like.

[editline]12th September 2011[/editline]

Also I'd recommend bottom mounted PSU, for the case.