• To Boycott PAX Or Not To Boycott PAX?
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oh my fucking god are we still hung up on fucking dickwolves penny arcade is pretty damn dumb but it's equally if not more dumb to get so worked up over a purposefully ridiculous comic strip 3 fucking years ago. fuck.
Why is this a post on what is supposed to be a respectable gaming site? Like it feels like this should be a forum post which is where it belongs. It's just stirring old shit to seem relevant.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;42242792]oh my fucking god are we still hung up on fucking dickwolves penny arcade is pretty damn dumb but it's equally if not more dumb to get so worked up over a purposefully ridiculous comic strip 3 fucking years ago. fuck.[/QUOTE] the strip was published 3 years ago but they keep bringing it up and rubbing it in people's faces all the time the strip itself wasn't too offensive, it's the way he's being an asshole about it all the damn time that most people are upset about
-i had most likely mangled what i was trying to say-
PA needs to answer for their misconduct. I'm all for boycotting PAX, they need to know that there are repercussions for acting like total asshats to your community.
[QUOTE=icemaz;42242822]Why is this a post on what is supposed to be a respectable gaming site? Like it feels like this should be a forum post which is where it belongs. It's just stirring old shit to seem relevant.[/QUOTE] it happened this month how is that stirring up old shit [editline]19th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=postmanX3;42242792]oh my fucking god are we still hung up on fucking dickwolves penny arcade is pretty damn dumb but it's equally if not more dumb to get so worked up over a purposefully ridiculous comic strip 3 fucking years ago. fuck.[/QUOTE] maybe you should read the article and figure out why ppl are "worked up"
[QUOTE=postmanX3;42242792]oh my fucking god are we still hung up on fucking dickwolves penny arcade is pretty damn dumb but it's equally if not more dumb to get so worked up over a purposefully ridiculous comic strip 3 fucking years ago. fuck.[/QUOTE] It's much more than that actually. If you had actually bothered to read the article you would know that.
someone please summarise i can't be arsed to read though all that ranting shite
it really is a rant, but apparently the guy made a little joke, it exploded and he's stood resalute I'm not apologising but he has offended more and more people, still I thought most people were aware of the fact that not everybody gives a fuck about being nice and tolerant of everyone, just because he is in the gaming industry doesn't change the fact that he is human and still has his own biases. to boycott the whole event because of one or two guys is like what happened last year when that one lady went out of her way to get two guys who had a joke fired, then the backlash was that she got fired. nobody wins when you keep escalating this, just let it go.
i honestly don't understand why dudes like Phil Fish get absolutely insane amounts of shit for being dicks but the Penny Arcade guys can be equally awful (maybe even worse) without any problems or anything like that. why does Phil get muscled out of the games business just for being a huge dick, but these guys get unilateral support for being just as bad if not objectively terrible? [editline]19th September[/editline] i mean don't get me wrong Phil Fish may be an antisocial prick but as far as i know he never did anything half this bad (not from lack of trying mind you but that's besides the point)
[QUOTE=Cone;42243177]i honestly don't understand why dudes like Phil Fish get absolutely insane amounts of shit for being dicks but the Penny Arcade guys can be equally awful (maybe even worse) without any problems or anything like that. why does Phil get muscled out of the games business just for being a huge dick, but these guys get unilateral support for being just as bad if not objectively terrible?[/QUOTE] Phil took himself out of the business.
I'm kinda tired of this lovey tolerant crap that somehow everyone expects out of everyone in the industry, just because videogames have a unique culture around them doesn't mean their devs have to be saints and agree with everything everyone says. the same goes for this perceived massive gender gap in developers, look women can get in the industry, there's not really a glass ceiling its that women are not getting in the industry. except for a few incidents I have never heard of a game company that went out of its way to not hire women.
[QUOTE=Cone;42243177]i honestly don't understand why dudes like Phil Fish get absolutely insane amounts of shit for being dicks but the Penny Arcade guys can be equally awful (maybe even worse) without any problems or anything like that. why does Phil get muscled out of the games business just for being a huge dick, but these guys get unilateral support for being just as bad if not objectively terrible?[/QUOTE] Because he gave a fuck about what people thought of him.
[QUOTE=Cone;42243177]i honestly don't understand why dudes like Phil Fish get absolutely insane amounts of shit for being dicks but the Penny Arcade guys can be equally awful (maybe even worse) without any problems or anything like that. why does Phil get muscled out of the games business just for being a huge dick, but these guys get unilateral support for being just as bad if not objectively terrible?[/QUOTE] I may have not been on the news lately, but Phil Fish made just a single game (which was way too hyped) while PA has done much more.
People actually flipped a shit over the Dickwolves comic? I didn't know about this. [url]http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Dickwolves[/url] I regret even bothering to look this up..
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;42243218]I may have not been on the news lately, but Phil Fish made just a single game (which was way too hyped) while PA has done much more.[/QUOTE] yeah but at this point, as the article says, PA is basically irrelevant to all the good stuff that they've done, like Child's Play and PAX. my point is that there was an absolutely huge debacle over Phil completely flipping the fuck out on Twitter for no good reason, but not from Jerry Holkins doing the exact same thing AND acting extremely transphobic while he did so? it doesn't make any sense at all
[QUOTE] Some of the panels at PAX included: Extra Credits: Diversity – a film viewing and Q&A Session Top Women Game Characters of All Time Gays in Love (With Their RPG’s) Hey Vasquez, you ever been mistaken for a man? A discussion of military servicewomen in Video Games Everything We Know Is Sexist. Now What? Creating & Building Inclusive Communities in Tabletop/Board Gaming Achieving Gender Diversity in Gaming: OK, Now What? Press XY Presents: Right Before Your Eyes: Transitioning Within a Game Community Political Correctness in Gaming: Let’s Talk Queers in Gaming: Gamer vs Gaymer Gender Diversity in Games: Where Are All The Believable Female Characters?[/quote] Oh yeah lets not cover this at all. Get your head out of your ass RPS. As journalists you should be covering these events.
Oh boo hoo. Some people get worked up over the most stupid shit it's ridicules. Besides RPS is nothing spectacular anyways, not like they will be missed at PAX. Maybe if they covered full stories instead of half-assing things, they might be a better news site.
I used to like RockPaperShotgun, now I hate it for shit like this.
So the writer is bitching about PAX, what happened in the past, the controversy that is also in the past, also bitching about the amount of people at said event. Also the entire website is ditching all PAX coverage. Meh. Don't like PAX? Whatever. Tons of people are still going to go. Don't cover PAX? Your loss, many other websites for coverage.
[QUOTE=Giacomand;42243301]I used to like RockPaperShotgun, now I hate it for shit like this.[/QUOTE] Kieron Gillen is a fantastic Journalist along with Jim Rossignol, It's just Alec Meer and John Walker shitting up the site. even back in the days when they all wrote for PCG:UK Walker was always a preening egotistical twat.
The whole dickwolves incident is probably the most pathetic thing I've ever read. I've never seen anything blown so out of proportion. Absolute children.
To be honest, i kinda support Penny Arcade in this. I mean. It's just a joke. Like in some MMORPGS people actually get raped (Second Life), but that doesn't make it wrong. I just find this weird to be honest.
Eh, I can respect that. If they really hated PAX on a moral level but still decided to make money off of it and write articles with that kinda mindset I'd be a lot more upset. If you can't simply ignore everything, this seems like the clean and professional solution to me. If RPS articles usually were neutral summaries and interviews, I'd view it differently, but seeing how they usually have some sort of personality behind them, I don't see what good can come of pretending you love what you hate. It'd definitely show and hurt their reputation more thoroughly in the long run.
everything is becoming a carebear trigger warning hugbox and it's really starting to annoy me it's conflicting as fuck because on one hand i am okay with feminism in general and i feel bad for rape victims and every real case of it disgusts me but on the other hand people get so fucking worked up over even subtle, respectful depictions of rape and lose their shit over the depiction of female characters if they don't meet their exact specifications and start plastering fucking TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING up on fucking everything while sites like RPS and kotaku start capitalizing on the whole situation by stirring up shit on purpose because social justice wars get them hits ugh, i don't know what to think anymore
I think one could simply report about the flaws of Penny Arcade and PAX while reporting about the games there at the same time. RPS is losing a lot in this boycott. I respect their reasons why, but they ought to separate the two PA guys from the huge expo they run. Fox still reports about Obama and MSNBC still reports about Republicans.
[QUOTE=Clavus;42243275][quote]Some of the panels at PAX included: Extra Credits: Diversity – a film viewing and Q&A Session Top Women Game Characters of All Time Gays in Love (With Their RPG’s) Hey Vasquez, you ever been mistaken for a man? A discussion of military servicewomen in Video Games Everything We Know Is Sexist. Now What? Creating & Building Inclusive Communities in Tabletop/Board Gaming Achieving Gender Diversity in Gaming: OK, Now What? Press XY Presents: Right Before Your Eyes: Transitioning Within a Game Community Political Correctness in Gaming: Let’s Talk Queers in Gaming: Gamer vs Gaymer Gender Diversity in Games: Where Are All The Believable Female Characters?[/quote]Oh yeah lets not cover this at all. Get your head out of your ass RPS. As journalists you should be covering these events.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, this isn't a joke list, that's amazing. I guess it's pretty damn easy to get a panel, but I'm kinda curious if these'll be ham-handed, pandering or actually constructive.
I think I just got dumber reading all that.
[t]http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/965474677_7etTF-L.jpg[/t] the whole root of this, honestly, its not really all that inflaming
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