Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39857793]Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.[/QUOTE]
And I don't find watching Golf fun, but some people do.
And I like reading stuff strangers type on their keyboards, Others don't.
Geez people what's an opinion again?
[QUOTE=Djessey;39857823]And I like reading stuff strangers type on their keyboards, Others don't.
Geez people what's an opinion again?[/QUOTE]
Opinions are a myth, right?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39857793]Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.[/QUOTE]
Tbf, the amount of shit and repeats that is on TV these days, I'd happily watch some nerd play SC2 or any other game.
With sports getting old today, new sports arrive, both digitally and reality. I wonder if that Robot fighting going to become the new sports of today.
And now I'm going to be made fun of by e-jocks for not being good at Quake 3.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39857793]Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.[/QUOTE]
Then watch something that isn't SC2?
*cough*
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;39857898]As long as this becoming the 'new thing' doesn't influence or change games in a negative way, I see nothing wrong.
Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and it probably will; as seen in most of the games that have already started down this path.[/QUOTE]
It definitely influences Dota 2 strongly but you can be the judge if that's a bad thing. It makes the game balanced towards a higher skill level compared to just nerfing characters that low level players can't deal with.
Same way SC2 gets balanced I believe.
esports kind of died in like 2006, especially for shooters, would be great to have professional scene like CPL etc
TSM TSM TSM
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39857793]Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.[/QUOTE]
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apparently 10,000 people like to
(twitch.tv)
I haven't really been enticed by eSports since CAL died. Are there any games besides Starcraft and the MOBA's that are popular in eSports?
[QUOTE=Speedhax;39859370]I haven't really been enticed by eSports since CAL died. Are there any games besides Starcraft and the MOBA's that are popular in eSports?[/QUOTE]
Russians fucking love World of Tanks for some reason
eSports more like autismSports
Problem with eSports is that competitive gaming is a bad spectator sport in general. You need very good knowledge of the game to know what's even going. The action is all over the place, unlike physical sports where it's in a single spot.
This doesn't necessarily mean gaming itself is a terrible for spectating, because the success of Let's Play's on Youtube say otherwise. My theory is that, in general, Western gamers enjoy watching people play in an entertaining manner rather than a exclusively competitive one. It's more about the interaction between the game and its players than actually "being the best", although there's plenty of overlap.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39859807]Problem with eSports is that competitive gaming is a bad spectator sport in general. You need very good knowledge of the game to know what's even going. The action is all over the place, unlike physical sports where it's in a single spot.
This doesn't necessarily mean gaming itself is a terrible for spectating, because the success of Let's Play's on Youtube say otherwise. My theory is that, in general, Western gamers enjoy watching people play in an entertaining manner rather than a exclusively competitive one. It's more about the interaction between the game and its players than actually "being the best", although there's plenty of overlap.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on MOBAs and RTSes but shooters are quite simple.
Unfortunately shooters are devolving into horrid grinding, f2p and 3 shot kill bullet guns.
[QUOTE=TextQUAKE;39859884]I agree with you on MOBAs and RTSes but shooters are quite simple.
Unfortunately shooters are devolving into horrid grinding, f2p and 3 shot kill bullet guns.[/QUOTE]
Actually shooters are a good example of the action being all over the place, since you move through segmented 3D environments, usually with teams engaging each other on different spots. Even with a two player Quake 3 duel you have multiple perspectives to watch it from, which just makes it hard to spectate and keep full knowledge of what's going on. Pretty much every popular physical sports can be followed from a single camera in a static position. I honestly think this is a big factor in preventing a mainstream breakthrough of eSports. Well except for in Korea of course.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39857793]Yeah, I still don't find sitting there watching some nerds playing StarCraft II fun.[/QUOTE]
Half-assed attempt at trying to stir shit up.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39860003]Actually shooters are a good example of the action being all over the place, since you move through segmented 3D environments, usually with teams engaging each other on different spots. Even with a two player Quake 3 duel you have multiple perspectives to watch it from, which just makes it hard to spectate and keep full knowledge of what's going on. Pretty much every popular physical sports can be followed from a single camera in a static position. I honestly think this is a big factor in preventing a mainstream breakthrough of eSports. Well except for in Korea of course.[/QUOTE]
with minimaps and a good cameraman this isnt much of a problem
fighters are ok to watch even if you don't know whats going on, especially marvel
e-sports is a fuckin gross term, it sounds incredibly lame
[QUOTE=Clavus;39859807]Problem with eSports is that competitive gaming is a bad spectator sport in general. You need very good knowledge of the game to know what's even going. The action is all over the place, unlike physical sports where it's in a single spot.
This doesn't necessarily mean gaming itself is a terrible for spectating, because the success of Let's Play's on Youtube say otherwise. My theory is that, in general, Western gamers enjoy watching people play in an entertaining manner rather than a exclusively competitive one. It's more about the interaction between the game and its players than actually "being the best", although there's plenty of overlap.[/QUOTE]
Something like that can be fixed by someone who casts the game while also explaining as much as possible to the audience. Why are they using this lineup? Why did he get that upgrade? If a caster is ignoring all the details then they're doing a bad job.
We're all buying the games to see just how badly we can break them.
[QUOTE=Banned?;39861034]Something like that can be fixed by someone who casts the game while also explaining as much as possible to the audience. Why are they using this lineup? Why did he get that upgrade? If a caster is ignoring all the details then they're doing a bad job.[/QUOTE]
Not at all, people who generally watch eSports have a generally good understanding of the game they're watching. It's not up to the commentator to explain how the game works but to mention events and the processes behind them.
I can't speak for other games but sometimes during League of Legends tournaments, the casters explain the reasoning behind a certain decision by a player or what went wrong. They don't state the obvious but they do cater for people who may not understand high level play that well.
Its more that games in recent memory haven't been good games to watch. Lacking spectating features, replays, being easy to comprehend, and being designed for competitive play in general.
Very few games tend to have all these bases covered. Its mostly just the classics like CS, Quake, Starcraft, Street Fighter, etc. Newer games are missing one or more of these essentials and that really cripples their ability as an esport.
What do you mean lacking spectating features and replays?
DotA2 and LoL both have a working spectator mode and larger LoL tournaments always have replays of key events. The MOBA genre is inherently harder to understand I agree but a lot of people watch DotA2 and LoL.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39859807]Problem with eSports is that competitive gaming is a bad spectator sport in general. You need very good knowledge of the game to know what's even going. The action is all over the place, unlike physical sports where it's in a single spot.
This doesn't necessarily mean gaming itself is a terrible for spectating, because the success of Let's Play's on Youtube say otherwise. My theory is that, in general, Western gamers enjoy watching people play in an entertaining manner rather than a exclusively competitive one. It's more about the interaction between the game and its players than actually "being the best", although there's plenty of overlap.[/QUOTE]
I think it depends more on the commentator, people like day9 have said before that they dumb it down a bit so people who haven't played SC2 before aren't hopelessly lost.
All I can say is that I agree with the article posted.
I've been on the spot to watch dota2, LoL, CS:GO and SC2 live, and it really has turned into the younger generation's football. For all the games mentioned my knowledge about them is very limited, but still I found myself roaring and cheering along with everyone else. It took some time but after a while I started to catch on what was considered good and bad moves, especially when shit got intense and a lot of things happened at once.
I have trouble understanding a lot of flak the esport industry receives, but to each their own I guess. It's not that I'm postulating that dota2 should be in the olympics. All I'm saying is that Joe who knows almost everything about football and Champion's League, and Phil who knows almost everything about Star Craft and the korean scene, is effectively the same kind of nerd.
Anyway. Here's some pictures I took. Please forgive the bad quality.
CS:GO - picture taken moments after NiP won the finale at Dreamhack Winter 2012
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Waiting for SC2 semi-finals to begin. The stage and seatings consisted of half a hockey stadium. >2/3 of it filled up in the end.
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