what kinda question is that?
tactile feedback is the main reason why I got mine, don't care about the clicky sound
I wouldn't imply they are good.
Just that the people who swear by them are as stupid as the folks who still believe the Sony Playstation is the worlds best CD player.
[QUOTE=pentium;52620703]I wouldn't imply they are good.
Just that the people who swear by them are as stupid as the folks who still believe the Sony Playstation is the worlds best CD player.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I bought a mechanical and I feel like it's more "accurate" in terms of keypresses than rubberdomes.
When I used rubberdomes sometimes keys wouldn't register, now I have the problem of keys registering twice every once in a while because I bring the key [I]just[/I] above where it registers and accidentally press it again.
I have no belief in any of the talk about the pros and cons of the mechanical keyboard, given how it took about 25 years before it took PC gaming like it was the second coming of christ. IF it was ever something serious I would of seen products marketed as far back as the 90's. Instead its just a bunch of brain damaged millennials thinking this will change some aspect about the classic 102 key keyboard they had a problem with since mom let them play Duke Nukem after dinner and businesses capitalizing on their list for "the ultimate gaming keyboard".
In my field of work its just annoying having to constantly tell people trying to buy my shit no, I'm not selling the keyboard separate from the machine/terminal. Fuck off with your money. Shouldn't you be playing in highway traffic or something?
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[QUOTE=pentium;52620703]I wouldn't imply they are good.
Just that the people who swear by them are as stupid as the folks who still believe the Sony Playstation is the worlds best CD player.[/QUOTE]
what are you even on about now Pentium
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Pentium you can literally go type on a mechanical keyboard then type on a non-mechanical and immediately feel the difference. It's not just some snake oil bullshit; I honestly don't even know how you got that idea in your head.
And "if it was good it would've been marketed in the 90s"? C'mon man. Have some sense.
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In my field of work its just annoying having to constantly tell people trying to buy my shit no, I'm not selling the keyboard separate from the machine/terminal. Fuck off with your money. Shouldn't you be playing in highway traffic or something?[/QUOTE]
i cant see a business being very successful by refusing to sell products to customers :v:
[QUOTE=pentium;52620703]I wouldn't imply they are good.
Just that the people who swear by them are as stupid as the folks who still believe the Sony Playstation is the worlds best CD player.[/QUOTE]
Or people who believe Windows XP is the best operating system?
Seriously thought, I would have thought you'd be all over mechanical keyboards. There's no need to be an asshole and call people who like something stupid just for liking the thing.
[QUOTE=AJ10017;52620946]i cant see a business being very successful by refusing to sell products to customers :v:[/QUOTE]
No it's totally understandable refusing to sell one piece of something rather than the entire thing, but basing your hatred of a category of products and everyone who enjoys them because some people tangentially want to buy "retro" keyboards is silly.
[quote]Pentium so can literally go type on a mechanical keyboard then type on a non-mechanical and immediately feel the difference. [/quote]
Yes however I don't care what I use because I'm not a baby. People call me a freak not because I use a (admittedly massive) first gen G15 but because I use a rubber dome. I tell them there is a reason I'm on the pro side of the abortion debate.
[quote]i cant see a business being very successful by refusing to sell products to customers[/quote]
Symbolics 3600 series microcoded LISP machine with console is $1500 without a hard drive. I'm not about to fuck that pricetag up because some sperg wants to buy just the keyboard for its "rare Honeywell switches" for $400.
IBM InfoWindow II terminal is $200 with keyboard and mouse and minimal screen burn. I'm not about to render it e-waste because some dweeb wants the keyboard to slap in a repalcement interfacemicrocontroller and play Overwatch with it.
I mean, I can sell shit with keyboards separate but I'll fuck over my predicted sales.
[QUOTE=pentium;52620952]Yes however I don't care what I use because I'm not a baby.[/QUOTE]
Pentium, I think we both know this is a dumb statement. You should move along from this thread, friend.
Mechanical keyboards are very reasonably priced these days. If you're acknowledging there's a difference, I don't see why you think people are stupid for paying an insignificant amount of money extra to enjoy that difference.
[quote]Pentium, I think we both know this is a dumb statement. You should move along from this thread, friend.[/quote]
I should really say something about trying to push me out of the thread but fine. Live in your world and I'll play in mine.
Ive been using a custom mechanical for a good while now and after starting work at a new place recently, getting a generic gamer keyboard with rubber domes at my computer was such a shock. I'm almost disgusted by the chewy key actuation, with broad keys like enter, space, shift, and backspace being worse because they have fat springs for keeping them level or whatever, adding more tension to press against
I don't claim to be an aficionado or elitist for mechanicals but I've come to really appreciate the responsive feel of a good board
[QUOTE=pentium;52620961]I should really say something about trying to push me out of the thread but fine. Live in your world and I'll play in mine.[/QUOTE]
how are you even getting internet that far up your own ass
imagine getting this mad about mechanical keyboards
I'm only mad about mechanical keyboards because of what they do to my wallet
[QUOTE=Derpmeifter;52620989]how are you even getting internet that far up your own ass[/QUOTE]
Pentium basically will only listen to you only if you're willing to submerge yourself into his own little echo chamber.
Suggest anything outside of it and he'll simply block his ears and start throwing incomprehensible logic at you stating why you're the dumb one. When that fails, he'll start pulling stupid cards along the lines of "you just don't understand me i do things differently!!!!", immediately followed by "stop bullying me!!!" after others has ripped through his shitposts enough.
I've seen this recurring cycle enough times in the CIPWICKETT thread where he would call Firefox and Youtube "faggots" for dropping XP support in 2017 on numerous occations.
[QUOTE=pentium;52620703]I wouldn't imply they are good.
Just that the people who swear by them are as stupid as the folks who still believe the Sony Playstation is the worlds best CD player.[/QUOTE]
every single keyboard I've ever owned has been
1. Hard to clean
2. Easy to wear down
3. Hard on the fingers
4. Not positioned in a comfortable way
But my pok3r keyboard, once blue cherry MX, now Clear cherry MX is way comfortable
1. Easy to clean, I take a hook and pop the keys out
2. Impossible to wear down. I've dropped heavy things on the keys and nothing is internally broken yet, amazingly enough
3. Easy on the fingers and, again, doesn't wear down. It is consistant, meaning one key won't wear more than another
4. Positioned perfectly
5. Can be programmed within the keyboard, no software needed, meaning I can store macros on it without trouble.
It comes with no cons for me and I use it exclusively for typing. I've gone through tons of keyboards, from wireless to gaming and they all were shit.
No social status bullshit or gimmicks here. I just straight up wanted a better typing experience and got it. You really shouldn't knock it until you see for yourself why its great.
[QUOTE=pentium;52620761]"the ultimate gaming keyboard".
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Gaming products are trash. i don't think I've ever heard of a 'gamer product' that isn't basically a cheaper rip off of a an actually good thing
Mechanical keyboards are good for typing. For gaming, I don't care, I never thought keyboards were ever good for playing games and I've used them for my entire life. Other people can care about using it for that, not really my thing.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52621032]Gaming products are trash. i don't think I've ever heard of a 'gamer product' that isn't basically a cheaper rip off of a an actually good thing[/QUOTE]
i like my g710+ because it has the click clacks, the shinies, and built in theft deterrent in the form of a hideous border around the macro keys.
[QUOTE=Derpmeifter;52621039]i like my g710+ because it has the click clacks, the shinies, and built in theft deterrent in the form of a hideous border around the macro keys.[/QUOTE]
Logitech products in general are always the exceptions tbh. Every keyboard and mouse they make are of good quality. They do a pretty good job of not being up their own ass.
Naturally most mechanical keyboards will be higher quality due to the quality of the switches (assuming they're using cherry or hybrid switches). You can't really mess it up.
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Really when buying logitech its pretty hard to mess up,
I love how he goes on about them not being marketed in the 90s when they were (model m HEH).
Mechanical keyboards have been around since the 70s, membrane took over mainstream because cheaper to produce but mechanicals have always been around, and within the last 2 decades they've become more affordable thanks to better switch designs.
Anyway back on topic, I've fallen in love with my MX Browns keyboard, easier to clean as the keys are so much easier to remove and I much prefer the tactical feedback after using them, compared to membrane these feel so much better to type on, no more squishy feeling that gave me the habit of slam typing on keys.
I mainly use it because the wear is consistent (I.E near-non-existent) and the keys are slightly easier to press down. The clacking is a bit satisfying too.
Ending up punching the WSAD keys with all my might towards the end of my last board's lifespan was one of the most frustrating experiences ever.
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Meltdown aside, there's naturally a point to be made about "gaming" branded mechanical keyboards with gimmicky features being overpriced. I think I'll avoid paying extra for back-light in the future.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52621063]I mainly use it because the wear is consistent (I.E near-non-existent) and the keys are slightly easier to press down. The clacking is a bit satisfying too.
Ending up punching the WSAD keys with all my might towards the end of my last board's lifespan was one of the most frustrating experiences ever.[/QUOTE]
I punched mine once and now at this point I occasionally do it just out of angry humor if i had a bad enough day, not as hard at one might think though,
light punches aside, these boards are tough. Aside from dropping it or really raging into it they're naturally made to last
[video=youtube;jO5IaAKTKsQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO5IaAKTKsQ[/video]
This is why.
Also the nice thing is you dont have to bottom out mechanical keyboards. It means if you learn to type like that, your keypresses are pretty comfy. Wheras on membrane keyboards, you need to bottom out and your finger will be mashing an immovable base for a little while, causing more strain.
i'm using an old Dell at-101w with alps switches, they're great
[QUOTE=pentium;52620761]I have no belief in any of the talk about the pros and cons of the mechanical keyboard, given how it took about 25 years before it took PC gaming like it was the second coming of christ. IF it was ever something serious I would of seen products marketed as far back as the 90's. Instead its just a bunch of brain damaged millennials thinking this will change some aspect about the classic 102 key keyboard they had a problem with since mom let them play Duke Nukem after dinner and businesses capitalizing on their list for "the ultimate gaming keyboard".
In my field of work its just annoying having to constantly tell people trying to buy my shit no, I'm not selling the keyboard separate from the machine/terminal. Fuck off with your money. Shouldn't you be playing in highway traffic or something?
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Dude, you are trying to be hipster by sitting on extremely dated hardware+software and youre saying this???
I'd love to own a mechanical keyboard one day.
I just have a hard time justifying the price. Especially since I've had this keyboard I got for like $30 for like... 12 years now or something. :pudge:
Speaking of...
Is there a middle-ground between membrane and mechanical keyboards?
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52621104]Is there a middle-ground between membrane and mechanical keyboards?[/QUOTE]
Well, membrane and mechanical refers to how keypresses are detected. Mechanical keyboards use a switch. Membrane keyboards use rubber and are sometimes given a "switch-like" feeling with the help of plastic or metal.
Being aloof is totally fine. I don't think people who aren't crazy for mechanical keyboards should totally be allowed to think that way and not judged for it. There are benefits to mechanical keyboards, though, and they generally have to do with control over how you type.
* [B]You can control how much force you need and how far down a key must be pressed to count as a keystroke.[/B] From what I understand, gamers tend to favor activation at just a half-press and lesser force required, which I believe are what you'll find in blues. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure! But you can look it up. I use Cherry MX Browns because I like needing to press all the way down before a key is registered.
Membrane keyboards tend to be more ambiguous because they're made of rubber. Sometimes they'll be given plastic or metal supports to simulate the tactile response of a keyboard, but you don't necessarily have the same control you would have on when a keypress is registered.
* [B]You can customize how loud or soft your keys sound.[/B] Clackyness isn't necessary, but it is a staple of mechanical keyboards. Different switches have generally different levels of volume, and they can also be suppressed with cheap addons.
* [B]Mechanical keys generally last a long while.[/B] For occasional computer users or even professionals, membrane keyboards are fine. But for super dedicated programmers, gamers, and writers, being able to depend on a keyboard for a long time is a plus.
These things don't add up to be life-changing, but they're still more than nothing. And if you're going to invest in a gaming keyboard, being able to invest a little more into a long-lasting keyboard with control over the keys you'll potentially use day in and day out is nice.
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[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52621104]I'd love to own a mechanical keyboard one day.
I just have a hard time justifying the price. Especially since I've had this keyboard I got for like $30 for like... 12 years now or something. :pudge:[/QUOTE]
You can find keyboards as low as $70 if you know where to look, and that's not counting refurbished keyboards or resales. I'm sure you could find it even cheaper than that if you're not as lazy as me.
If you're saavy enough, you can probably find a keyboard that allows you to dig in and replace switches if you want, and nearly all mechanical keyboards I've seen allow you to swap out the keys.
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