And not a single fuck was given that day.
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this sounds like its needed to teach people, LFR is such a clusterfuck of casuals
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483618]And not a single fuck was given that day.
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"I don't like thing. Thing is now objectively awful."
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;41483952]"I don't like thing. Thing is now objectively awful."[/QUOTE]
I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483994]I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they are giving the Heroic Tier gear to everyone who passes by.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483994]I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.[/QUOTE]
Blizzard is first and foremost a company. In a time where there are tonnes of free to play MMOs it would be commercial [B]suicide[/B] to run a subscription based game and not give the vast majority of your playerbase access to content that they pay for one way or another.
Your nostalgia and personal opinion holds little to no merit as you're basing your argument on your experience, and saying how long you've played the game as "street cred" just gives an air of unjustified self importance.
As Fangz said about giving away gear, link me your armory and lets see your full heroic raid gear just to see how much effort you've put in.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483994]I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.[/QUOTE]
How hard did you work for Rank 14 vanilla? How hard did you work to clear BT and SWP in TBC? How hard did you work to clear hardmodes in Ulduar or Heroic ICC in Wrath? How hard did you work to clear Heroic Firelands in Cata? Let me guess, you didn't work at all, because you never did those things. You just sit back being a pathetic casual and cry about how easy the game is and claiming to have played WoW since release. It's funny how most people that claim to have played since release always seem to forget how the game actually was back in vanilla and TBC.
Blizzard have been giving gear away since fucking TBC, not that you would know, because you likely never got keyed for Kara and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The term welfare epics started in TBC for a reason and that reason isn't because people worked their asses off for them.
[editline]16th July 2013[/editline]
Even more amusing is that you claim to have played for 9 years(that time hasn't come yet but w/e) while crying about them beating a dead horse. Maybe instead of crying all day you should just unsub.
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;41483952]"I don't like thing. Thing is now objectively awful."[/QUOTE]
Stop with the "objectively" shit. World of Warcraft is a mediocre MMO that has been dumbed down more and more since the day it launched back in 2004 and went into testing in 2003.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41487903]Stop with the "objectively" shit. World of Warcraft is a mediocre MMO that has been dumbed down more and more since the day it launched back in 2004 and went into testing in 2003.[/QUOTE]
More people that don't know what they're talking about, what a surprise!
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41487903]Stop with the "objectively" shit. World of Warcraft is a mediocre MMO that has been dumbed down more and more since the day it launched back in 2004 and went into testing in 2003.[/QUOTE]
i don't think you know what 'objectively' means
[editline]16th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=mon_ons;41485065]How hard did you work for Rank 14 vanilla? How hard did you work to clear BT and SWP in TBC? How hard did you work to clear hardmodes in Ulduar or Heroic ICC in Wrath? How hard did you work to clear Heroic Firelands in Cata? Let me guess, you didn't work at all, because you never did those things. You just sit back being a pathetic casual and cry about how easy the game is and claiming to have played WoW since release. It's funny how most people that claim to have played since release always seem to forget how the game actually was back in vanilla and TBC.
Blizzard have been giving gear away since fucking TBC, not that you would know, because you likely never got keyed for Kara and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The term welfare epics started in TBC for a reason and that reason isn't because people worked their asses off for them.
[editline]16th July 2013[/editline]
Even more amusing is that you claim to have played for 9 years(that time hasn't come yet but w/e) while crying about them beating a dead horse. Maybe instead of crying all day you should just unsub.[/QUOTE]
holy shit so much fucking agree right here
i remember back when you had to use LFG chat for dungeon finding and you [I]always[/I] had to be in a guild to even think about raiding.
i remember doing the hugely awesome AQ questline that shit was so CASH and LONG; that was one of the reasons I quit, there was hardly any 'epic' (in the actual sense of the word) questlines/loot
there's a lot of other stuff i could babble about but i cba to post all of it, i'm just nostalgia-ing
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483994]I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.[/QUOTE]
"Thing doesn't appeal to me specifically. Thing is now objectively awful."
[QUOTE=mon_ons;41487912]More people that don't know what they're talking about, what a surprise![/QUOTE]
I played during the Fileplanet beta all the way up until Cataclysm, I was a hardcore PVPer/raider so don't brush me off as "someone that doesn't know what they're talking about". No one knows why World of Warcraft is still doing good after nearly 10 years but any self respecting MMO player moved as far away once Cataclysm or even WotLK came out.
[editline]17th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NixNax123;41487917]i don't think you know what 'objectively' means
[/QUOTE]
blah blah blah everyone is right blah blah blah nobody is wrong blah blah blah blah people have different tastes
What the fuck is the point of posting on a forum if that's the mentality everyone has?
[editline]17th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NixNax123;41487917]i don't think you know what 'objectively' means
[/QUOTE]
blah blah blah everyone is right blah blah blah nobody is wrong blah blah blah blah people have different tastes and opinions
What the fuck is the point of posting on a forum if that's the mentality everyone has?
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488603]I played during the Fileplanet beta all the way up until Cataclysm, I was a hardcore PVPer/raider so don't brush me off as "someone that doesn't know what they're talking about". No one knows why World of Warcraft is still doing good after nearly 10 years but any self respecting MMO player moved as far away once Cataclysm or even WotLK came out.[/QUOTE]
You saying the game has been dumbed down more and more just shows how little you know.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;41483994]I've played WoW for 9 years now, and right now it's just bad. It's strayed away from everything it used to be. It's not rewarding, joe nobody can get the same tier gear as you with bare minimum effort. It just feels pointless to play.[/QUOTE]
How do be good at old wow;
sit on your ass all day grinding reputations and leveling painfully slow
spent hours looking for groups to do dungeons and raids with
become a NEET to be remotely successful
join raid guilds with more requirements than a job
[QUOTE=mon_ons;41488662]You saying the game has been dumbed down more and more just shows how little you know.[/QUOTE]
Alright well it's universally been accepted that World of Warcraft has been dumbed down for the masses and if you'd like to argue otherwise, I'd be pleasantly surprised if you could come up with a legible argument as to why it hasn't been. Exponentially increased XP rates, less focus on PVP, reputations hardly matter, difficulty has been dropped to the point where it's nearly possible to do the "harder raids" while blindfolded once you know the boss' moves, pay to unlock legendary mounts, microtransactions are coming, Death Knights are an easy instant level 55 and no one knows how to play them, it's possible to get an instant level 80 if you "return to Azeroth" and through recruit a friend.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]Exponentially increased XP rates, less focus on PVP, reputations hardly matter[/QUOTE]
its like you think this is a bad thing.
death knights used to be a free level 80.
World of Warcraft screenshots always make me so nostalgic.
oh and old wow difficulty basically involved 24-7 wipes unless you had a perfect guild coordination with all teamspeak and expert understanding of all wow mechanics and math
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]Exponentially increased XP rates[/QUOTE]
Because grinding mobs in the Tanaris desert for the 2-3 level gap during vanilla was fun.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]reputations hardly matter[/QUOTE]
All the valor gear this expansion was gated behind reputations.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]less focus on PVP[/QUOTE]
5.3 was a PvP focused patch.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]difficulty has been dropped to the point where it's nearly possible to do the "harder raids" while blindfolded once you know the boss' moves[/QUOTE]
You are confusing difficulty with lag. Go back and look at the mechanics with the Molten Core bosses.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]pay to unlock legendary mounts, and microtransactions are coming[/QUOTE]
Micro transactions have always been in the game, and you even stated it with mentioning the purchasable mount. They are all vanity anyway at the moment.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]Death Knights are an easy instant level 55 and no one knows how to play them[/QUOTE]
Way to insult the whole death knight community, plus you can't make one unless if you have a character above that level range.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]it's possible to get an instant level 80 if you "return to Azeroth" and through recruit a friend. [/QUOTE]
What is wrong with trying to get players who played before to return?
Played casually since Vanilla, got all the expansions, the whole family at one point played the game. WoW doesn't have that same sheen it once had. It's all dumbed down now, I feel like there's almost no point because nobody will pay attention to the lore or questlines on their first run through because they just want to get to "endgame". Vanilla, BC and even WOTLK in it's early stages made me feel like I was playing a game and not this push button receive bacon simulator that it is now. Blizzard will lose players, and eventually the game will die out. It will inevitably happen and it's sad to hear about these kinds of games I used to love going down the drain like this. I'm pretty sure a lot of people can agree here, it's not the same game it used to be and almost always games that stray to far from what their original intent was will fail. Look at Everquest, prime example right there.
On a side note, I always like checking up on the game. It's kinda like talking to an ex after you've broken up with him/her and you still want to see how they're doing. :V
[QUOTE=SwtchbldSOL;41488965] I feel like there's almost no point because nobody will pay attention to the lore or questlines on their first run through because they just want to get to "endgame".[/QUOTE]
thats how its always been, the vast majority never read quests or give a shit about lore, its always been about endgame content.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41489000]thats how its always been, the vast majority never read quests or give a shit about lore, its always been about endgame content.[/QUOTE] and that's the sad part about it... it's even worse now.
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488833]Alright well it's universally been accepted that World of Warcraft has been dumbed down for the masses and if you'd like to argue otherwise, I'd be pleasantly surprised if you could come up with a legible argument as to why it hasn't been. Exponentially increased XP rates, less focus on PVP, reputations hardly matter, difficulty has been dropped to the point where it's nearly possible to do the "harder raids" while blindfolded once you know the boss' moves, pay to unlock legendary mounts, microtransactions are coming, Death Knights are an easy instant level 55 and no one knows how to play them, it's possible to get an instant level 80 if you "return to Azeroth" and through recruit a friend.[/QUOTE]
Everything you just listed has next to nothing to do with dumbing the game down... Making leveling less tedious doesn't make it more dumb. It still has the same difficulty, but without the month long grind, only an idiot would complain about that. If MMOs were some sort of exclusive club like you seem to want them to be, you have next to no one to play with years after release.
Less focus on pvp? There was never really a "focus" on pvp, it's not like they were implementing tons and tons of pvp content and then decided to say fuck it and switched to raid content. Pvp is still the same as it always was, just with less getting one shot by an <ability> crit. If anything, pvp is more challenging because there's more shit to take into consideration.
I'll just go ahead and lump keys in here with rep, but how is taking rep/key grind out a bad thing? No one wants to grind the same thing over and over for a day or two just so they can do the same thing with slightly higher numbers... I guarantee that by the time people got their second or third alt keyed for Kara, they absolutely [i]hated[/i] the rep/key bullshit. Rep grinds are still in the game, they just don't take 3 months of doing 1 raid over and over again to get things.
What raids are you doing where the difficulty has been dropped? Last I checked, raid mechanics have only gotten harder as the game has gone on. Anyone with half a brain could figure out that if the mechanics stayed the same, then we'd still have 90% tank and spank fights.
Wait, I didn't know you could buy Dragonwrath and the Battle Tank, when did this happen? Oh wait, it didn't. Microtransactions aren't dumbing down the game, how could anyone think that buying a cosmetic helmet is making the game more dumb? Oh no! Bob with more money than me has a cooler looking helmet, this game is so dumbed down now.
So, if no one knows how to play a Death Knight, wouldn't that mean that the mechanics aren't dumb enough yet? Maybe they should dumb them down more... :rolleyes: Either way, Death Knights being a "hero class" and starting at level 55 was obviously something they hadn't tried before. An experiment, really, but I've never really seen a problem with it. I'd love to know why this is just a huge issue for you, though.
Blizzard is a business, it was a great move to give a high level character to an old player in hopes that they will return and buy the expansion and then subscribe. Maybe that person quit because he got bored of his/her current class, but didn't want to invest the time to level a new character, so they just stopped playing. Or maybe they quit in an older expansion and want to try the new stuff, but don't want to purchase the expansions and level all the way up. If you think about it from Blizzards point of view, it was an amazing idea. How well it worked is, as far as I know, unknown.
I was gonna break up the quotes, but got lazy.
Adding a neat feature, complain about everything else. World keeps spinning.
[QUOTE=Fangz;41488958]Because grinding mobs in the Tanaris desert for the 2-3 level gap during vanilla was fun.
It's better than letting people breeze through 1-80 content with barely touching any of it. Why should someone be able to play through a game while only doing 10% of the content?
All the valor gear this expansion was gated behind reputations.
Reputations used to matter when it came to PVP and other faction relationships. You shouldn't be able to become exalted with every single one of them.
5.3 was a PvP focused patch.
First time in a LONG time. One could argue that it's still not up to par with how it was back in 1.12. One step forward, two steps back.
You are confusing difficulty with lag. Go back and look at the mechanics with the Molten Core bosses.
Not really. The game's enemies have been made less powerful and easier to kill along with classes being buffed to hell.
Micro transactions have always been in the game, and you even stated it with mentioning the purchasable mount. They are all vanity anyway at the moment.
They're vanity but if you pay $25 you won't have to purchase the mount itself which could cost lots and lots of in game currency. Unfair advantage.
Way to insult the whole death knight community, plus you can't make one unless if you have a character above that level range.
Why should any class start out at such a high level? I don't understand. It's skipping content, it's forcing brand new DK players to jump into near endgame PVP brackets with people who have played their characters for 30+ hours. The real reason is Blizzard was too lazy to make new content for new classes.
What is wrong with trying to get players who played before to return?
Problem is, they're handing out level 80s to people who never achieved level 80. Sign up for a trial, abandon the account for a while, sign up for $15, instantly enjoy earlier endgame content[/QUOTE]
Please stop strawmaning Ralakis, a fight where dispelling every 60 seconds does not make a fight 'hard'. Also please take off your rose tinted googles and realize what you are saying. Also, some of your counter arguments are not even true or misinformed. From how you talked about mounts, I doubt you even played past Vanilla.
[QUOTE=Fangz;41489882]Please stop strawmaning Ralakis, a fight where dispelling every 60 seconds does not make a fight 'hard'. Also please take off your rose tinted googles and realize what you are saying. Also, some of your counter arguments are not even true or misinformed. From how you talked about mounts, I doubt you even played past Vanilla.[/QUOTE]
Just because I like an older version of something means I have nostalgia. Tell that to anyone that played Star Wars Galaxies past the NGE.
[QUOTE=der_crow;41483821]this sounds like its needed to teach people, LFR is such a clusterfuck of casuals[/QUOTE]
lfr doesn't even teach people anything because there is no punishment for playing wrong, the only boss that is correctly done in lfr is durumu
[QUOTE=Ralakis;41488603]What the fuck is the point of posting on a forum if that's the mentality everyone has?[/QUOTE]
The real question is why the fuck do people like you just shit on any thread that even mentions WoW and derail it by complaining about shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?
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