• Full HD tablet and 4K phone revealed
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Battery life: two minutes (standby mode)
LG describes its 8.3in G Pad as being "pocket sized" what
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42053275][b]1080p screen[/b], not 4k screen you silly[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry. Eight minutes.
4K phones: completely fucking pointless (yes I know its about a camera and not a screen, but you know manufacturers are going to try and push 4K phones sometime soon, and the camera is pretty stupid too). Okay, so the fact that the tech is possible is neat. But I'm tired of this "technology rush" that goes on with android in an attempt to stay relevant. Its pretty clear that android has kind of hit its "peak" in adoption otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this big tech rush going on to attempt to get people to buy new phones. I can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.5" screen (considering the DPI is above 300 on the 720p and for me, completely imperceivable pixels at that point). For me I don't care if my phone has X or Y specs, I care if it runs consistently good, lets me do what I want to do with my phone, and provides me with a user experience that not only is efficient but well thought and well designed out to give me a really optimal "smartphone" experience. Optional: features that the phone has that are actually really useful and/or superior to in-general phone usage vs not having that feature (such as super-sensitive screen that works with gloves on, or high-sunlight visiblity screen). When you start adding a bunch of useless shit that doesn't actually improve my day-to-day usage with a phone at the cost of a huge chunk of usability (battery life, which to me is [I]still[/I] one of the most important aspects of a phone that hardly any android manufacturer seems to care about), I get turned away.
Higher numbers? Need to buy!
With a sensor and storage space (bitrate!) tiny enough to fit in a phone 4k recording only seems useful for downscaling the video to say "1k" and being able to average four pixels to one, while still having a decent resolution.
Where are the buttons? Even today's cell phones have at least three on the bottom.
What are people going to do with their 4K videos? Plug the phone in their super expensive 4K TV to watch a two minute long shaky video recorded with a shitty phone camera?
Uhh, Full HD tablets have been out for a while now. 4K sounds cool though, too bad it's in a phone and not in an actual camera
I call bullshit on the phone. It's probably just a shit 720p upscaled to 4k. Nothing is going to be able to reproduce such quality on a small sensor. Also it's Acer so I doubt it with that too.
4K is so pointless.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;42053508]Where are the buttons? Even today's cell phones have at least three on the bottom.[/QUOTE] Not all. I honestly sort of like touch-phones without any buttons, but I'd rather have a QWERTY keyboard with a touchscreen than just the touchscreen. I'm starting to miss buttons [editline]2nd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BackSapper;42053649]I call bullshit on the phone. It's probably just a shit 720p upscaled to 4k. Nothing is going to be able to reproduce such quality on a small sensor. Also it's Acer so I doubt it with that too.[/QUOTE] You can't just upscale 720p to 4k on a camera, that wouldn't be 4k and they'd get into a lot of trouble
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42053672]4K is so pointless.[/QUOTE] Have you even seen 4k? There is a 4K display at best buy at it looks fucking amazing. 4K phone camera yeah, that is pointless, but 4k as a whole is not.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42053672]4K is so pointless.[/QUOTE] "Progress is pointless"
Full 1080p Tablet? Never saw that before... [b] COUGH [/b] Google.com/Nexus
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42053672]4K is so pointless.[/QUOTE] I feel like 4k for a desktop monitor would be fine but anything more than [I]maybe[/I] 1080p on a 4 inch phone screen would be overkill. There's going to come a point where we reach diminishing returns with higher pixel densities when most of the population can't really resolve much better than the 1080p screens we have today. Someday, there's going to be a point where adding more simply won't matter to even those with the best eyes.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;42053950]"Progress is pointless"[/QUOTE] It is progress, but it's not the kind of progress most people here would like. Android phones need more battery life and better hardware, not bigger screens and thinner bodies which seems to be the trend these days Of course this kind of progress is better than no progress, but it could be so much better
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;42053950]"Progress is pointless"[/QUOTE] That's not progress. Not for phones. It's waste.
The technology race may seem pointless when you look at phones, however, the better cameras and screens will have application in other devices. Super high-res small screens are useful for things such as head-mounted displays as an example.
I don't know why you would want a phone that can record 4K. A camera maybe, but not a phone. Phones are for recording smaller videos, so 1080p would be the highest resolution you would want in a phone. [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;42053672]4K is so pointless.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Watching a movie in it's highest quality possible would be awesome. It's just moving the TV around might be a problem. 2001: A Space Odyssey was filmed on 70mm film and the only other way of seeing the quality of that film is if they put that version of the movie on IMAX or another gigantic screen.
4k recording is nice and all, but Acer? I dread to think about the quality of the glass in front of the sensor. Marketing 4K recording is just another means to push us all from 1080p to 4k displays I guess.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42053996]It is progress, but it's not the kind of progress most people here would like. Android phones need more battery life and better hardware, not bigger screens and thinner bodies which seems to be the trend these days Of course this kind of progress is better than no progress, but it could be so much better[/QUOTE] I'll argue they also need Desktop PC style architecture standardisation.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42053349]4K phones: completely fucking pointless (yes I know its about a camera and not a screen, but you know manufacturers are going to try and push 4K phones sometime soon, and the camera is pretty stupid too). Okay, so the fact that the tech is possible is neat. But I'm tired of this "technology rush" that goes on with android in an attempt to stay relevant. Its pretty clear that android has kind of hit its "peak" in adoption otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this big tech rush going on to attempt to get people to buy new phones. I can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.5" screen (considering the DPI is above 300 on the 720p and for me, completely imperceivable pixels at that point). For me I don't care if my phone has X or Y specs, I care if it runs consistently good, lets me do what I want to do with my phone, and provides me with a user experience that not only is efficient but well thought and well designed out to give me a really optimal "smartphone" experience. Optional: features that the phone has that are actually really useful and/or superior to in-general phone usage vs not having that feature (such as super-sensitive screen that works with gloves on, or high-sunlight visiblity screen). When you start adding a bunch of useless shit that doesn't actually improve my day-to-day usage with a phone at the cost of a huge chunk of usability (battery life, which to me is [I]still[/I] one of the most important aspects of a phone that hardly any android manufacturer seems to care about), I get turned away.[/QUOTE] So you're saying tech innovation is pointless? Where you actually gonna buy these devices anyway? there's markets for everyone though. We need this, and the low end and mid range always reaps the benefits, maybe in a year or 2, maybe we will have 720p resolution on the equilavent of a galaxy ace, etc. We need this Korjax WE NEED THIS
I'm not saying technology innovation is pointless I'm saying when it comes down to a smartphone, having something like 4K recording or the constant push for "womg its got 8cores!!!" is pointless I guess I can't complain too much because it means we're getting neat tech in all sorts of (useless) applications which can make it easier to get into useful applications, but as someone who thinks the smartphone tech arms race is serving an end that is ultimately not a practical one, then I'll just observe from afar as they never get a sale from me as long as they focus on "superior" tech and not a "superior" smartphone experience. Which is probably why they are doing this big tech push anyways, because people are likely spending less on buying new phones now that the tech is pretty much matured and so is the android operating system. Why bother "upgrading" when you already have what you want out of a smartphone with you already? I personally think the stuff that'll really push new phone sales is a new user experience entirely (from a different platform), or a new type of smart phone or smartphone tech (i.e. like that old "morphable" phone concept). Hardware innovation that is practical and innovative, not impractical innovation like faster CPU's when the CPU's are already pretty much fast enough for phone usage.
I guarantee you the video is going to look really, really terrible, size doesn't mean everything in video recording.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42053349]4K phones: completely fucking pointless (yes I know its about a camera and not a screen, but you know manufacturers are going to try and push 4K phones sometime soon, and the camera is pretty stupid too). Okay, so the fact that the tech is possible is neat. But I'm tired of this "technology rush" that goes on with android in an attempt to stay relevant. Its pretty clear that android has kind of hit its "peak" in adoption otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this big tech rush going on to attempt to get people to buy new phones. I can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.5" screen (considering the DPI is above 300 on the 720p and for me, completely imperceivable pixels at that point). For me I don't care if my phone has X or Y specs, I care if it runs consistently good, lets me do what I want to do with my phone, and provides me with a user experience that not only is efficient but well thought and well designed out to give me a really optimal "smartphone" experience. Optional: features that the phone has that are actually really useful and/or superior to in-general phone usage vs not having that feature (such as super-sensitive screen that works with gloves on, or high-sunlight visiblity screen). When you start adding a bunch of useless shit that doesn't actually improve my day-to-day usage with a phone at the cost of a huge chunk of usability (battery life, which to me is [I]still[/I] one of the most important aspects of a phone that hardly any android manufacturer seems to care about), I get turned away.[/QUOTE] A 4K screen would be pretty good for the Oculus Rift though. Also, I find it funny that we'll probably get 4K phones and tablets in a few years, but I'll probably be another 6 or so years before 4K TVs become affordable, and computer monitors will probably still be eternally stuck at 1080p.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42053349]4K phones: completely fucking pointless (yes I know its about a camera and not a screen, but you know manufacturers are going to try and push 4K phones sometime soon, and the camera is pretty stupid too). Okay, so the fact that the tech is possible is neat. But I'm tired of this "technology rush" that goes on with android in an attempt to stay relevant. Its pretty clear that android has kind of hit its "peak" in adoption otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this big tech rush going on to attempt to get people to buy new phones. I can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.5" screen (considering the DPI is above 300 on the 720p and for me, completely imperceivable pixels at that point). For me I don't care if my phone has X or Y specs, I care if it runs consistently good, lets me do what I want to do with my phone, and provides me with a user experience that not only is efficient but well thought and well designed out to give me a really optimal "smartphone" experience. Optional: features that the phone has that are actually really useful and/or superior to in-general phone usage vs not having that feature (such as super-sensitive screen that works with gloves on, or high-sunlight visiblity screen). When you start adding a bunch of useless shit that doesn't actually improve my day-to-day usage with a phone at the cost of a huge chunk of usability (battery life, which to me is [I]still[/I] one of the most important aspects of a phone that hardly any android manufacturer seems to care about), I get turned away.[/QUOTE] Android 4.2/4.3 runs great as long as manufacturers don't shit it up with their "additions" to "differentiate itself from the competition". My quad-core phone with a 2100mAh battery capacity on Jellybean (soon to be Key Lime Pie) runs much better than my dual-core phone running Gingerbread with a 1,850 mAh battery capacity. I used to get only around 4 hours of screen on time but I'm getting around 6-8 hours of screen on time with 3G/HSPA+ connectivity and WiFi. That is plenty enough because I doubt anyone is going to have their screen on 6-8 hours during an average day. Maybe if you're traveling and sitting on a bus/train for 6-8 hours, it might die but I'd hope you would have a power outlet or a 12,000mAh battery pack you can go on Amazon and buy for $39.99. Better specs are awesome. Everyone always says that 1080P on a phone is pointless but if you go to your local mobile phone store, you can easily tell the difference. People even said it would be negligible on the Nexus 7 and between the newer and old model? It's night and day. Better specs are always better. Once in a while you'll run into a product that is advanced in one way but primetive in another such as the HTC Thunderbolt, first phone to ever get LTE on Verizon but it had a 3 hour battery life (lower when you actually had the screen on). It got terrible reviews and people didn't buy that product. Those experiences are few and far between though since manufacturers want the user experience to be top notch. [editline]2nd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;42055980]I guarantee you the video is going to look really, really terrible, size doesn't mean everything in video recording.[/QUOTE] I have a Lumia 1020, take 42 megapixel photos regularly and it looks better than my DSLR. It doesn't shoot 4K video but my point is, don't doubt the quality due to "it being in a phone". [t]http://images.cyberimg.com/iphone/2013/07/25/image_1374738765900.jpg[/t]
Many people are forgetting that this really isn't the deal with the sensor since 4k is about 8megapixels, it's the processor for being able to read 8megapixels at 30fps. People keep saying "AWW MAN THEY KEEP PUSHING THESE RIDICULOUS STANDARDS." No it's not ridiculous, it's a good sensor with a fast chip to read it. Your phones take 4k stills, this just does it very quickly. Shut up.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;42056672]I have a Lumia 1020, take 42 megapixel photos regularly and it looks better than my DSLR. It doesn't shoot 4K video but my point is, don't doubt the quality due to "it being in a phone". [t]http://images.cyberimg.com/iphone/2013/07/25/image_1374738765900.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Photos are a different story from video. I've used enough cheap consumer "1080p" camcorders from the mid '00s to know all the different factors in video quality independent from resolution, chiefly bitrate and compression quality. The first few phones will most likely use a very low-end compression method that their processors can keep up with and their storage can practically contain. It's basically like comparing a 1080p youtube video to a 1080p blu-ray. Yes, they're the same size, but it doesn't take a videophile to see that they're worlds apart in quality because of the way youtube compresses videos. Hell, an SD DVD is typically higher quality than a 1080p youtube video. Not saying good looking 4k video on phones is impossible, but we barely have good looking 1080p video on phones right now. It'll take a bit for the hardware to catch up.
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