• Even if you hate the idea, Windows users should want Windows 10 S to succeed
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[url]https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/even-if-you-hate-the-idea-windows-users-should-want-windows-10-s-to-succeed/[/url]
If they want the Windows store to succeed maybe they should make the store better and how Windows 10 handles apps better rather than arbitrarily gimping a version of Windows to force you to use it? Fuck off I want that shit to crash and burn
Think I'll just stick with continuing to use Windows 7 instead of putting up with all the various bullshit associated with later versions like this. Why in the world would anybody want a version of windows that can only execute programs directly from the Store? There goes almost every single one of my games and programs.
[QUOTE=Cureless;52202390]Think I'll just stick with continuing to use Windows 7 instead of putting up with all the various bullshit associated with later versions like this. Why in the world would anybody want a version of windows that can only execute programs directly from the Store? There goes almost every single one of my games and programs.[/QUOTE] To IDIOT PROOF the system for inexperienced home users and to restrict users on public PCs(schools, libraries...).
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52202513]To IDIOT PROOF the system for inexperienced home users and to restrict users on public PCs(schools, libraries...).[/QUOTE] Just. Use. Group Policy. Seriously, a lot of stuff can be controlled through group policies and various other means. That's all you need. No need to make the system dumb, just restrict it if that's the problem. Why in the world, every single time there's a problem where some people have trouble and break the system, must the system be dumbed down and reduced in functionality? Why not fix the actual flaws instead?
[QUOTE=mastersrp;52202582]Just. Use. Group Policy. Seriously, a lot of stuff can be controlled through group policies and various other means. That's all you need. No need to make the system dumb, just restrict it if that's the problem. Why in the world, every single time there's a problem where some people have trouble and break the system, must the system be dumbed down and reduced in functionality? Why not fix the actual flaws instead?[/QUOTE] Right because computer illiterate home users are going to edit group policy.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52202669]Right because computer illiterate home users are going to edit group policy.[/QUOTE] why is it Microsoft's fault or responsibility if people can't use a fucking computer Besides Windows 10 S is aimed towards education/business/public computers which SHOULD have a proper IT worker capable of setting proper group policies on the computers. And if they don't, that again is not MS's fault or responsibility.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;52202582]Just. Use. Group Policy. Seriously, a lot of stuff can be controlled through group policies and various other means. That's all you need. No need to make the system dumb, just restrict it if that's the problem.[/QUOTE] What Rika-chan said. You expect my mom to know how to setup Windows so she doesn't accidentally install stuff while browsing internet ? No, I have to do it. It would spare me and others a lot of time if we didn't have to setup/fix stuff every time some of our relatives buys a new PC. Also you can switch to Pro version for free, and later on it's just 50$ which is a fair deal. [QUOTE=mastersrp;52202582] Why in the world, every single time there's a problem where some people have trouble and break the system, must the system be dumbed down and reduced in functionality? Why not fix the actual flaws instead?[/QUOTE] Because the system isn't at fault, it's the user. Nothing is wrong with a racing Ferrari car, but you give it to a stupid teen or average driver and next thing you know someone gets killed. Microsoft can sit there and watch ChromeOS expand its user base or offer something themselves. There is obviously a market for it. [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52202734]why is it Microsoft's fault or responsibility if people can't use a fucking computer Besides Windows 10 S is aimed towards education/business/public computers which SHOULD have a proper IT worker capable of setting proper group policies on the computers. And if they don't, that again is not MS's fault or responsibility.[/QUOTE] Yes, why WOULD Microsoft offer a system that can reduce the need for IT staff and simplify their work, reduce their work time and potentially lower the school expenses ? Some of the comments here simply make no sense.
Windows S is really no different than Chrome OS. good for cheap end laptops for education and other controlled environments with tight monetary restrictions. It is not meant for users such as ourselves, I [B]really[/B] don't get all the hate going around about it. No one is going to make you use it.
[QUOTE=da space core;52202775]Windows S is really no different than Chrome OS. good for cheap end laptops for education and other controlled environments with tight monetary restrictions. It is not meant for users such as ourselves, I [B]really[/B] don't get all the hate going around about it. No one is going to make you use it.[/QUOTE] Except unlike Chrome and Chrome Apps nobody wants to use Edge and Windows Store Apps If the upgrade to a not-fucked edition was free forever I'd agree, but it isn't, it's going to $50 and they're throwing it on their """premium""" Surface Laptop that costs over a thousand dollars. It's a conglomerate of bad decisions.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52202792]Except unlike Chrome and Chrome Apps nobody wants to use Edge and Windows Store Apps If the upgrade to a not-fucked edition was free forever I'd agree, but it isn't, it's going to $50 and they're throwing it on their """premium""" Surface Laptop that costs over a thousand dollars. It's a conglomerate of bad decisions.[/QUOTE] Edge is pretty good for lightweight systems. Especially compared to Chrome. I worked at an IT company for a while and we had to install 78 lightweight workstations for a client. They all came with Chrome installed, but after a few weeks we removed it and forced Edge as the only browser.
I just hope this doesn't set some dangerous precedent. Windows 10 is already as hyper-automated and expert-unfriendly as it is. What I mean is: let's just hope the S version's more restricting features and mandatory settings don't leak into future Windows versions that are meant for everyone.
I like the idea of a specialized system like Chrome OS Make it wicked good at doing what its designed to do and if it can't do anything else that's ok too its just that windows store is a huge joke and they're pushing it very hard but no one cares
[QUOTE=Kalan Yamato;52202883]I just hope this doesn't set some dangerous precedent. Windows 10 is already as hyper-automated and expert-unfriendly as it is. What I mean is: let's just hope the S version's more restricting features and mandatory settings don't leak into future Windows versions that are meant for everyone.[/QUOTE] The problem is most of the users want an OS that just works and is safe, they don't care about any of the fancy stuff that comes with an open platform and things that more advanced users need. How many times have you heard some random person who doesn't know anything about computers blaming Windows and Microsoft for their problems, and claiming they will switch to a Mac, because it is supposed to be simpler and safer ? Also just look at the phone market. Most people don't care about benefits of Android customization, they don't care about the benefits of removable batteries, they don't care about SD card slots, etc... Heck, look at the game consoles, they don't care of all the benefits of a PC, they just want something that is simple and "just works". The modern "casual PC user" now has options and is a threat to Microsoft's PC monopoly, they don't want them to move to Google and Apple platforms, so they need to adapt. Also they don't want school kids to learn on ChromeOS, because in a few years some of them will end up developing or using Google and Apple products for their work and not Microsoft products. That is why Microsoft will give you free OS and development tools when you are a student just to hook you to their platform.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52202669]Right because computer illiterate home users are going to edit group policy.[/QUOTE] Microsoft doesn't even let Home users access Group Policy directly because you can [B][I]literally lock yourself out of your computer[/I][/B] if you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52202985]The problem is most of the users want an OS that just works and is safe, they don't care about any of the fancy stuff that comes with an open platform and things that more advanced users need.[/quote] Do you not remember Windows RT and the large amounts of people who bought into it, not realizing that it was locked to the Windows Store, and complained about it? It was a pretty big issue, especially for education. [quote]Also just look at the phone market. Most people don't care about benefits of Android customization, they don't care about the benefits of removable batteries, they don't care about SD card slots, etc... [/quote] You mean the same phone market that Android has a much larger market share in than iOS? Not sure what you're getting at here.
[QUOTE=Cureless;52202390]Think I'll just stick with continuing to use Windows 7 instead of putting up with all the various bullshit associated with later versions like this. Why in the world would anybody want a version of windows that can only execute programs directly from the Store? There goes almost every single one of my games and programs.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, is it time for the needless windows 10 hate boner again?
[QUOTE=Cureless;52202390]Think I'll just stick with continuing to use Windows 7 instead of putting up with all the various bullshit associated with later versions like this. Why in the world would anybody want a version of windows that can only execute programs directly from the Store? There goes almost every single one of my games and programs.[/QUOTE] "I think I'll just stick with my Corvette rather than buy a new Prius. Why would anyone want a slower car?" You can't compare Windows 10 to Windows 10 S. It's a completely different version for completely different users. Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone has a computer to play games? It's not like Microsoft forces everyone to use 10 S. It's an option. And please quit being so ignorant. Windows 10 is a flat upgrade to 7. But if you still refuse to upgrade, please don't whine when Microsoft finally drops support for Windows 7. It's almost 8 years old after all.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52202734]why is it Microsoft's fault or responsibility if people can't use a fucking computer Besides Windows 10 S is aimed towards education/business/public computers which SHOULD have a proper IT worker capable of setting proper group policies on the computers. And if they don't, that again is not MS's fault or responsibility.[/QUOTE] Because they want customers, not to feel smug about how inferior potential customers are.
[QUOTE=Levelog;52203438]Do you not remember Windows RT and the large amounts of people who bought into it, not realizing that it was locked to the Windows Store, and complained about it? It was a pretty big issue, especially for education.[/QUOTE] Windows RT was a mobile OS, for ARM architecture, running Windows 8, with a just launched and empty Windows Store. That is on a whole different level of being flawed. [QUOTE=Levelog;52203438]You mean the same phone market that Android has a much larger market share in than iOS? Not sure what you're getting at here.[/QUOTE] iOS is limited to only one manufacturer selling very expensive products. Android got where it is because it is an open and free platform used by most manufacturers and not because few percent of its users can tweak some random settings in it. Average Joe doesn't care. Same is with Windows, Mac and Linux. If Average Joe was a power user Linux would be the most popular platform and not a statistical error.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52202792]Except unlike Chrome and Chrome Apps nobody wants to use Edge and Windows Store Apps If the upgrade to a not-fucked edition was free forever I'd agree, but it isn't, it's going to $50 and they're throwing it on their """premium""" Surface Laptop that costs over a thousand dollars. It's a conglomerate of bad decisions.[/QUOTE] I use Edge on my tablet for browsing documentation and reading heavyweight PDFs and it's insane how much faster it is compared to Firefox and Chrome with the constraints I'm working with.
[QUOTE=Cureless;52202390]Think I'll just stick with continuing to use Windows 7 instead of putting up with all the various bullshit associated with later versions like this. Why in the world would anybody want a version of windows that can only execute programs directly from the Store? There goes almost every single one of my games and programs.[/QUOTE] Wow it's almost as if regular Windows 10 doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=redBadger;52205746]Wow it's almost as if regular Windows 10 doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Wow its almost as if power users are sick of this dumbed down "we know better than you" bullshit of an operating system.
[QUOTE=Sombrero;52205876]Wow its almost as if power users are sick of this dumbed down "we know better than you" bullshit of an operating system.[/QUOTE] What thing can you do in Windows 7 that you can't do in Windows 10
[QUOTE=Wormy;52206274]Other than Windows 7 giving you more control when it comes to updates, there's really not much else. The main argument from people seems to be the forced updates being a thing and how it feels so "intrusive", but most things should be possible to disable. I'm a Windows 10 user and have been since the free upgrade was a thing, and I haven't encountered any issues. Even forced updates are never an issue for me since I tend to shut down my PC every night before heading to bed anyways, which let's it install the scheduled updates just fine.[/QUOTE] Mark your connection as a metered connection. It will no longer force you to auto-update.
[QUOTE=geel9;52206298]Mark your connection as a metered connection. It will no longer force you to auto-update.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't have to use exploits and work-arounds to tell your computer not to do something so simple. I don't think Windows 7 will be a viable alternative much longer (I jumped ship to 10 myself a long time ago), but that doesn't make Windows 10's bullshit any more acceptable.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52206479]You shouldn't have to use [b]exploits and work-arounds[/b] to tell your computer not to do something so simple. I don't think Windows 7 will be a viable alternative much longer (I jumped ship to 10 myself a long time ago), but that doesn't make Windows 10's bullshit any more acceptable.[/QUOTE] Mate that's always been Windows You have to use the fucking registry editor to modify a lot of shit
Yeah and instead of fixing it in 10 they made it even worse? :v:
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52206556]Yeah and instead of fixing it in 10 they made it even worse? :v:[/QUOTE] It's a bit worse but you can still actually do everything you could do in 7 and it makes it a whole lot more secure for 90% of Windows users (the "idiots"). Consider that a safer Windows means less credit card fraud, less identity theft, less ransomware, less data loss, etc. Preventing such things serves to lower the cost of goods in an indirect way.
[QUOTE=geel9;52206561]It's a bit worse but you can still actually do everything you could do in 7 [b] and it makes it a whole lot more secure for 90% of Windows users (the "idiots").[/b] Consider that a safer Windows means less credit card fraud, less identity theft, less ransomware, less data loss, etc. Preventing such things serves to lower the cost of goods in an indirect way.[/QUOTE] Windows 10 on it's own does not make anything more secure, other than the fact that it's being updated for a longer period of time, and receiving security updates. Windows 7, to my knowledge, is still receiving security updates, hence so far it should be just as secure. Besides, if you really want to combat those issues, then there are more prominent issues to deal with. There's no IDS system integrated in most routers, and certainly not in Windows. Why not? This would eliminate a lot more threats, than already is the case. We do this on Linux servers already, so why not everywhere?
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