I'll start by telling you I use Windows. I've always used Windows. After using Linux, I've wondered how someone could use Linux as their main operating system. I've tried to do this multiple times with multiple distros including Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, and Arch. I liked Arch the most, as it felt very lightweight and simple. Regardless, Linux always created a lot of problems for me. Everything felt like a pain, like you had to "rig" everything to work instead of it just working properly. I understand that it can be somewhat satisfying to get everything to function with some effort, but in most cases for me it was just frustrating. What distro do I use? There's so many of them - looks like I have to try a bunch. What's standardization? Oh, my mouse sensitivity is far too high - better figure out how to use xinput. Oh, I want to use Steam - looks like Wine can't run it properly. Oh, I want to listen to music - yes, Linux, I know the mp3 codec isn't open-source. Yes, Linux, I know non-open-source software is wrong and I'm a bad person for using it. [url=http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html]Yes, GNU, I know it's supposed to be called GNU/Linux[/url]. Oh, I want to play a game, looks like I should install my graphics drivers. Yes, Linux, I [i]know[/i] these drivers aren't open-source - I don't care. I don't know which desktop environment to use, they all just don't feel right to me. Let me just install a package here. Oh, it doesn't work? Let me Google it. Oh, I have to install this and this, and type these commands in, and edit this file, and then it will work somewhat. Awesome. Well, let me just download this game here. Oh, it uses DirectX - looks like I'm not playing it. After all, DirectX is proprietary and closed-source and that's bad. Why is my webcam upside down? Why is my screen the wrong resolution? Why isn't my wireless NIC recognized? Look at this cool software on the internet! I'm gonna download it. Oh, wait, it's an .exe, and any time you try to use an .exe with Wine your computer bursts into flames. I'm sure there's plenty more I could go on about, but I can't think of it currently.
I try to be open-minded about this - I really do. I gave Linux quite a few chances and I just can't like it no matter how hard I try. I've seen awesome-looking Linux desktop screenshots, and I've seen people effectively use Linux and be very productive with it. I even still use Linux for some things - mainly for messing around with computer security since for some reason, "hackers" prefer Linux, and it has the most support for that kind of thing. But to use this as my main OS would drive me to suicide. It feels like such a pain to use that it doesn't seem worth it. I also don't understand why GNU has such a raging hard-on about open-source software and proper usage of terminology. I don't care about using open-source software - if proprietary or "closed" software is better, then why on earth wouldn't I use it? I don't want to sound like a Windows fanatic, though I probably do. I just feel much more accustomed and comfortable with its use and have ultimately had far less issues with Windows than I have with Linux.
If any of you successfully "converted" from Windows to Linux, please tell me how you're holding up. I'm curious.
I use Windows and Linux in dual-boot on both my desktop and laptop. One main reason is for browsing security. With Linux, I can visit shady sites without worrying about viral exe files running rampant. I also like having Linux installed in case Windows takes a dump. It gives me instant access to move files so I can reinstall Windows if needed. Honestly, with all the Linux tools I take for granted in my PC repair job, I would have a hell of a time doing my work without some form of Linux.
After Vista launched, I really didn't like how it bogged my system down. So I began Googling Linux, but I kept getting my search results flooded with "Ubuntu", so I downloaded the LiveCD for 7.04, and booted it up. Everything worked like magic, including my wireless card. I was impressed that I could boot an entire OS from a CD-R and use it. Not having to install drivers 99% of the time is a blessing for me. (Driver Genius Pro 11 and SlimDrivers Free help me in Windows, but that's cheating...)
Having no prior experience with Linux didn't even seem to matter, everything was straight-forward, and easy to navigate and figure out. The inclusion of Firefox and other familiar apps also help the transition. Thanks to Ubuntu, I've also learned to like a few cross-platform apps I use every day, such as Chrome, Pidgin, VLC, UMPlayer, Handbrake, Firefox, Gimp, Dropbox, etc. Linux really opened my eyes to a world of possibilities. I knew there had to be more to computing than just Microsoft and Apple, I just had to take that first step in discovering something new. Learning Linux over the past few years has been quite a fun journey. I've familiarized myself with running commands in the Terminal, learned how to use Conky (quite extensively), gotten GRUB and BURG modifications down, as well as other useful tips and tweaks; Like keeping /Home on a separate partition makes reinstalls A LOT easier.
I flip-flop between Linux and Windows, and use them for different tasks. I use Windows for surfing the web, MS Office, gaming, and movie transcoding. I use Linux for surfing the web, music management, photo manipulation, repairing Windows installations, and watching movies. I can't pick one OS over the other, as I use both efficiently for entirely different reasons. Linux also seems to get things done more quickly without a lot of bullshit in the background. Terminal commands are proof of that, and I find the Terminal easier to use than Command.com in Windows.
Oh, and Wine 1.5 is getting pretty awesome, just pointing that out. ;)
I don't use Linux because it's better than Windows. I use it because it gives me freedom to do whatever the fuck I want to do, without having to deal with EULAs, or not being able to use it for evil. All my music and 99% of my software are open formats and source. I don't even use proprietary video drivers, seeing as the FOSS ones work for what I do. If you want to sacrifice freedom, sure, go ahead.
A lot of your complaints are more at the lack of Linux support by most developers, not Linux itself. Bear that in mind.
Converting from Windows to Linux? Lots of sacrifices. Gaming is pretty much null and void (although now that I have RSI I can't game on Windows either), migrating to new applications, learning the command line is also a huge advantage to everyday work.
But at the end of the day, I'm a developer, and it's an unbearable pain to do anything on Windows besides fuck around with games and YouTube, especially with its constant GUI changes. I want something that works, and Linux does this. I've had this install since Feb last year, my system hasn't been better. It doesn't break down after time and become slow and a piece of shit that you need to reinstall, so I can do work.
I switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu after my graphics card broke down and my hard drive broke, so I lost my windows install without having a backup disk so not feeling like using a copied version and having to move to onboard graphics meaning no games anyway. It runs smoothly even with 1.8GHz single core processor, 1GB of ram and an ATI Radeon X200 graphics card.
I quickly got started and haven't had many issues so far. A quick google can solve most problems and actually fixing the problem most of the time is fairly quick. I already prefer the whole environment over windows XP and I don't have to worry as much about viruses, trojans, keyloggers etc. All of my hardware was compatible right from the word go. I find installing software really easy by just using the software center. I have no need for many applications anyway because at the moment I basically browse the web, listen to music and transfer films to USB.
I'm sure when I upgrade my PC eventually I'll go back to windows but I'll probably use Linux as my main operating system and windows for anything it can't do. You can still use virtual box in Linux too so if you want to experiment with the different distros and things then that's perfect and you can probably install programs on that too although that doesn't really appeal to me.
In short, prefer the UI, does everything I need it to do, a lot of information on issues and great support from the communitiy. If something does go wrong it feels really rewarding to sort it out too.
I can agree that Linux is quite helpful as a backup option for when Windows decides not to work, and I have used it before for removing viruses and files that just wouldn't delete from other Windows computers. Linux can absolutely be much faster than any version of Windows as well. I also get a strange satisfaction from using the terminal, and I'm rather used to its commands (wget and dd are my heroes, and I have ports of them running on Windows).
I am aware that the majority of my complaints include a lack of Linux support, but in my eyes that is still a problem. I'm quite used to Photoshop and Vegas for image/video editing, and neither of those are available on Linux. I've tried Gimp, and it's alright - maybe I need more time to get used to using it. I haven't found anything close to doing what Vegas can do, though. However, I think most of my problem with Linux is that I just can't become comfortable with any DE and/or WM. I feel like when I use Linux I'm constantly changing things and in the end it's just not very usable for daily activities. Maybe that's because I'm still learning which ones I might like. Ubuntu lasted the longest when I tried to use it, however I've found that Ubuntu 11.10 is extremely buggy. I'll wait for 12.04.
I might try again with Arch on my laptop or something. We'll see.
[b]Edit:[/b]
You know what, I'm gonna do it right now. I'm gonna install Arch in a partition on my desktop.
And while I'm at it, another thing that bothered me with Linux - but more specifically the package managers - was that as far as I knew, there was no real way of finding which packages you didn't use and could safely remove, and it's not like you could just go through a list of all of your packages because there would be hundreds of them. Maybe there's a simple way to do that and I just don't know about it, but I'd always lose track of what I had installed and didn't need or what packages depended on what.
I used to use Linux only on my desktop computer for quite a while, and use it primarily on my netbook. The reason I'm using Windows is purely because of games, other than that, I prefer to use my Sabayon 8 system, as it brings in the best of binary distributions to Gentoo, while still keeping portage inside the system, along with layman. It's incredible to be able to do whatever I want, and as a programmer, I cannot express how much I love using Linux, and how the entire system is built completely logically. While OpenGL 1.4 may not be the best OpenGL to be programming with, at least abstractions can help out there (the netbook I'm working from supports OpenGL 2.1, but I haven't found a way to enable that as of yet).
Other than that, It's only a question of mystery, and popularity that keeps developers from using Linux as the main platform I believe, as it surely is MUCH more stable, and much faster than any Windows version I've ever used, although Windows 7 sure did bring in good changes. Even though it did, I still remember laughing when I saw that Windows 7 came with (FINALLY) disc encryption, which had previously only been possible using TrueCrypt (which was also possible on Linux, and has been for years, using TrueCrypt and a few others), and many other features seemingly adapted from Linux.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35274270]I still remember laughing when I saw that Windows 7 came with (FINALLY) disc encryption, which had previously only been possible using TrueCrypt (which was also possible on Linux, and has been for years, using TrueCrypt and a few others), and many other features seemingly adapted from Linux.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is, not even all versions of Windows 7 have it - only Ultimate and Enterprise do. It's also a proprietary encryption algorithm.
I just like Linux better. I'm not a GUI power user at all. I really don't care for GUI customization, or doing advanced crap in GUIs. I just use it to browse the web, listen to music, watch movies, and have a terminal window open. The terminal window is where I do my real work.
In Windows it just feels like you have to do everything through a graphical interface, which I really don't care for. And in my opinion, it feels like technology is at the forefront in Linux. Windows tries to hide all the technology from the user for the sake of being "easy to use". Widnows is poorly designed anyway, but in Linux you can see that the kernel developers, X.org developers, et al are passionate about the technology. They aren't interested in marketing or finding ways to squeeze out as much cash as they can.
You can go to a site like [url=http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges]KernelNewbies.org[/url] and it will list changes made in the Linux kernel. It lists changes like "Better bonding of network interfaces: teaming" or "Better ext4 online resizing". I find these sorts of things to be fascinating. The changes you're allowed to see, or are marketed by Microsoft is crap like the Metro interface. You don't get to see the underlying technology.
I do like to play games though, so I still have to begrudingly reboot into Windows once in a while.
I just hated how Windows took about 3 minutes to start up even on a clean install (Albieit this is probably only on my laptop).
People hate rebooting after every update on Windows, and if I ever need to reboot on Linux it gets done in under a minute, so I don't mind.
I switched to Linux after I realized the panacea for windows is rebooting or/and reinstalling. In Linux I loved making massive system changes and seeing the change's results by restarting a few daemons/programs.
I also found out it's an [I]excellent[/I] programming environment. My eyes bulged when I could install and link a library as easy as [I]pacman -S gflw[/I] and [I]g++ main.o -o main -lglfw[/I] and having the ability to cross-compile for windows with mingw.
The way Linux installs things is fantastic; I no longer have to worry about browsing some ad-ridden website with tons of phishers to download a gui installer; which then attempts to install software you don't want and tells you to [I]restart your computer for changes to take effect[/I] when it finishes. Hell I don't even touch a web browser, and I know I can get a good, compatible, and working program with a simple terminal command.
The last notable thing about Linux is the choices. In windows you usually end up stuck with some crappy system programs (internet explorer, task manager, explorer) while in Linux if you don't like a program you simply uninstall it and get a different one. No matter how important it is: [B]Linux just does what you tell it to do.[/B]
[QUOTE=Naelstrom;35289587]The last notable thing about Linux is the choices. In windows you usually end up stuck with some crappy system programs (internet explorer, task manager, explorer) while in Linux if you don't like a program you simply uninstall it and get a different one. No matter how important it is: [B]Linux just does what you tell it to do.[/B][/QUOTE]
Do you think you could clarify this for me? I thought you could install/uninstall programs in Windows as well. I don't think I'm getting what you mean.
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;35289732]Do you think you could clarify this for me? I thought you could install/uninstall programs in Windows as well. I don't think I'm getting what you mean.[/QUOTE]
You cannot uninstall explorer, internet explorer, or task manager. They are critical system programs with (afaik) no alternatives.
[QUOTE=Naelstrom;35289833]You cannot uninstall explorer, internet explorer, or task manager. They are critical system programs with (afaik) no alternatives.[/QUOTE]
There are alternatives to all of those - but yes, they cannot be uninstalled because they are dependencies for other system applications.
Also, I think I'm a hypocrite now. I just installed Arch with XFCE, Compiz, and Docky, and I'm loving it right now. Everything is working perfectly this time around... which isn't how it was at all the last time I tried it. Steam works just dandy under Wine.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35270571]I don't use Linux because it's better than Windows. I use it because it gives me freedom to do whatever the fuck I want to do, without having to deal with EULAs, or not being able to use it for evil. All my music and 99% of my software are open formats and source. I don't even use proprietary video drivers, seeing as the FOSS ones work for what I do. If you want to sacrifice freedom, sure, go ahead.
A lot of your complaints are more at the lack of Linux support by most developers, not Linux itself. Bear that in mind.
Converting from Windows to Linux? Lots of sacrifices. Gaming is pretty much null and void (although now that I have RSI I can't game on Windows either), migrating to new applications, learning the command line is also a huge advantage to everyday work.
But at the end of the day, I'm a developer, and it's an unbearable pain to do anything on Windows besides fuck around with games and YouTube, especially with its constant GUI changes. I want something that works, and Linux does this. I've had this install since Feb last year, my system hasn't been better. It doesn't break down after time and become slow and a piece of shit that you need to reinstall, so I can do work.[/QUOTE]
no offense but most of this sounds like preachy nonsense that has no practical value at all
freedom to do what? what exactly can you do that you can't do on windows? i'm sure there are some things linux can do that windows can't, so list those instead of "FUCK EULA MAAAAAN". your music and software are open formats and open source. wow congrats unfortunately open source software isn't specific to linux. and who cares about proprietary video drivers? seriously? what is so important about open source, unless you study every piece of software on your computer (including video drivers?), why is open source an issue? i suppose you can modify it to suit your needs more specifically, but once again, open source software isn't specific to linux.
how is it an unbearable pain to do anything on windows? i'm a developer too, and i somehow manage to enjoy my development experience despite the horrors of proprietary video drivers and non open source software.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35274270]I used to use Linux only on my desktop computer for quite a while, and use it primarily on my netbook. The reason I'm using Windows is purely because of games, other than that, I prefer to use my Sabayon 8 system, as it brings in the best of binary distributions to Gentoo, while still keeping portage inside the system, along with layman. [B]It's incredible to be able to do whatever I want, and as a programmer, I cannot express how much I love using Linux, and how the entire system is built completely logically[/B]. While OpenGL 1.4 may not be the best OpenGL to be programming with, at least abstractions can help out there (the netbook I'm working from supports OpenGL 2.1, but I haven't found a way to enable that as of yet).
Other than that, It's only a question of mystery, and popularity that keeps developers from using Linux as the main platform I believe, as it surely is MUCH more stable, and much faster than any Windows version I've ever used, although Windows 7 sure did bring in good changes. Even though it did, I still remember laughing when I saw that Windows 7 came with (FINALLY) disc encryption, which had previously only been possible using TrueCrypt (which was also possible on Linux, and has been for years, using TrueCrypt and a few others), and many other features seemingly adapted from Linux.[/QUOTE]
is anyone going to explain any of this "developer freedom" or what
Windows more or less works since 7 has come out, but it's an overbloated inefficient giant, it's still very vulnerable to malware and still prone to spatzing out with no clear reason or fix. I'd be happy to be rid of it permanently, but I need it for games so I keep it on dualboot on my gaming-capable boxes.
Debian does what I need, it's stable, not too hard to tinker with, essentially malware-proof and relatively lightweight. So that's why it's my main OS. Granted, if the end user is not a nerd/geek (pick your favourite term) I'd go for an easier distro, but nowadays unless one has very specific needs that can't be met by what's available on Linux it's hard not to see its advantages.
And even then, there's a lot to be said for virtualization...
As for Fisher-Price "My First Operating System" (also known as MacOSX), it's by far my least favourite. It's stabler than Windows, but I hate the modern Apple approach to computing, and every time I've tried to use MacOSX there has been no feeling.
I use Linux because my computer is a bit slower than most (3GB of RAM), and Debian/Crunchbang is not a resource hog whatsoever. I've never had problems with memory.
Also, FREEDOM. I can edit any facet of the operating system. Nothing is locked down. I don't need to update if I don't have to, I don't worry about viruses, and the terminal interface is powerful and simple. I don't play too many games anymore, but I do have Vista on duel-boot if I so need to.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
I use Linux because my computer is a bit slower than most (3GB of RAM), and Debian/Crunchbang is not a resource hog whatsoever. I've never had problems with memory.
Also, FREEDOM. I can edit any facet of the operating system. Nothing is locked down. I don't need to update if I don't have to, I don't worry about viruses, and the terminal interface is powerful and simple. I don't play too many games anymore, but I do have Vista on duel-boot if I so need to.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35292812]freedom to do what? what exactly can you do that you can't do on windows?[/QUOTE]
Never had a time when windows says that you need administrator privileges when you are an admin? Even if you had full prviliages it won't let you do things like uninstall internet explorer (go ahead, try).
Linux does [I]exactly[/I] what you tell it to. Linux won't even give a fuck to [I]sudo rm -rf /*[/I]. (That would delete anything that's mounted at the time, spanning across several drives and partitions usually)
Have you tried Linux Kopimi? Surely windows might suit you better, but trying both programming environments I prefer Linux. I can't stand to see a fellow programmer prefer a bad programming environment simply because they refuse to try something new.
If you add me on steam I'd be happy to introduce you to some Linux programming.
[QUOTE=Naelstrom;35293539]Never had a time when windows says that you need administrator privileges when you are an admin? Even if you had full prviliages it won't let you do things like uninstall internet explorer (go ahead, try).
Linux does [I]exactly[/I] what you tell it to. Linux won't even give a fuck to [I]sudo rm -rf /*[/I]. (That would delete anything that's mounted at the time, spanning across several drives and partitions usually)
Have you tried Linux Kopimi? Surely windows might suit you better, but trying both programming environments I prefer Linux. I can't stand to see a fellow programmer prefer a bad programming environment simply because they refuse to try something new.
If you add me on steam I'd be happy to introduce you to some Linux programming.[/QUOTE]
sorry i probably came off as "fuck linux windows rules" or something, all i meant was that those guys' posts were really vague and, at least for jookia, were praising features that either weren't explained at all or weren't linux-specific to begin with. i've tried linux on my laptop and i really like it, i just was wondering what causes people to make a full switch, and really your posts were the only ones that answered that.
The range of applications is unparalleled(specifically things that matter - torrent clients, music players, etc.). KDE is a one of the best DEs out there. Also, I find package management useful. Tracking down installers for Windows applications is tedious, and inconvenient, Linux wins.
I reformatted my netbook with Linux because the preinstalled Windows 7 ran clumsily, and it was loaded to the brim with resource intensive background programs and utilities that I simply didn't want or need. After whiping the drive in favor of Ubuntu, my netbook runs brilliantly, and can do everything I need it to do with no complications. All I want is a fast, lightweight, simple OS to do work and web browsing on, and Linux does it great. I liked it so much, that I installed it on my old clunker laptop, and now it's running better than it ever has before.
Linux is unmatched for simple efficiency. It just [I]does[/I] it, and fast. While I'll always have Windows on my PC (for games), I will never buy another netbook or work station without immediately reformatting it with Linux.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35292812]no offense but most of this sounds like preachy nonsense that has no practical value at all
freedom to do what? what exactly can you do that you can't do on windows? i'm sure there are some things linux can do that windows can't, so list those instead of "FUCK EULA MAAAAAN". your music and software are open formats and open source. wow congrats unfortunately open source software isn't specific to linux. and who cares about proprietary video drivers? seriously? what is so important about open source, unless you study every piece of software on your computer (including video drivers?), why is open source an issue? i suppose you can modify it to suit your needs more specifically, but once again, open source software isn't specific to linux.
how is it an unbearable pain to do anything on windows? i'm a developer too, and i somehow manage to enjoy my development experience despite the horrors of proprietary video drivers and non open source software.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
is anyone going to explain any of this "developer freedom" or what[/QUOTE]
Because all libraries are stored in either '/usr/lib' or '/lib'. So I don't have to search my entire computer for some library that may or may not be there, and different projects have a VERY difficult time sharing library linking with others, because you have to either specify their location entirely manually, or have a program do the searching for you (which is slow and redundant)
And ALL include header files exists in /usr/include.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35292812]no offense but most of this sounds like preachy nonsense that has no practical value at all
freedom to do what? what exactly can you do that you can't do on windows? i'm sure there are some things linux can do that windows can't, so list those instead of "FUCK EULA MAAAAAN". your music and software are open formats and open source. wow congrats unfortunately open source software isn't specific to linux. and who cares about proprietary video drivers? seriously? what is so important about open source, unless you study every piece of software on your computer (including video drivers?), why is open source an issue? i suppose you can modify it to suit your needs more specifically, but once again, open source software isn't specific to linux.[/quote]
I think in this case you're a person who doesn't care about what they can and can't use their computer for, and I do. I don't care about what Linux can and can't do, there's very few things that I care about when using Linux besides my freedoms.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35292812]how is it an unbearable pain to do anything on windows? i'm a developer too, and i somehow manage to enjoy my development experience despite the horrors of proprietary video drivers and non open source software.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
is anyone going to explain any of this "developer freedom" or what[/QUOTE]
No command line, no package management, it's just a headache fucking around with finding external libraries on Windows.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35296344][B]I think in this case you're a person who doesn't care about what they can and can't use their computer for, and I do. I don't care about what Linux can and can't do, there's very few things that I care about when using Linux besides my freedoms.[/B]
No command line, no package management, it's just a headache fucking around with finding external libraries on Windows.[/QUOTE]
hey dude congrats on completely avoiding the question while being extremely pretentious as well
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
is that a linux specific feature or can i emulate that snob attitude on windows somehow?
Less overhead that my VM's take, I play games but don't mind running them a little lower on the specs.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35296808]hey dude congrats on completely avoiding the question while being extremely pretentious as well
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
is that a linux specific feature or can i emulate that snob attitude on windows somehow?[/QUOTE]
Practical terms on why my freedom matters? Besides being in full control of the applications installed on my computer and being free to see how they work, I don't have any.
I'm also not trying to be pretentious, you're just being incredibly rude by mocking my reason from the first post of yours, instead of being polite.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35298845]Practical terms on why my freedom matters? Besides being in full control of the applications installed on my computer and being free to see how they work, I don't have any.
I'm also not trying to be pretentious, you're just being incredibly rude by mocking my reason from the first post of yours, instead of being polite.[/QUOTE]
uhh no, i was more looking for a response to the fact that open source software isn't specific to linux and you could easily operate using open source software on a windows PC. i was only questioning your post because you listed some vague concepts as if they were huge factors in choosing an operating system even though for the most part they were either useless or available on windows as well, which made them useless reasons.
if you're wondering why i found your post snobby, i went ahead and bolded the line in my previous post that i found offensive. as a hint: it was the part where you essentially concluded i don't care about the abilities of my operating system and that's why i so ignorantly continue using windows.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35298913]uhh no, i was more looking for a response to the fact that open source software isn't specific to linux and you could easily operate using open source software on a windows PC. i was only questioning your post because you listed some vague concepts as if they were huge factors in choosing an operating system even though for the most part they were either useless or available on windows as well, which made them useless reasons.
if you're wondering why i found your post snobby, i went ahead and bolded the line in my previous post that i found offensive. as a hint: it was the part where you essentially concluded i don't care about the abilities of my operating system and that's why i so ignorantly continue using windows.[/QUOTE]
Windows is closed source, Linux is open source. It's obvious which one a person who likes their freedoms would use.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35298972]Windows is closed source, Linux is open source. It's obvious which one a person who likes their freedoms would use.[/QUOTE]
i can tell you're not recognizing it on your own so here's something: every time you say "someone who likes their freedoms" and you talk in such a binary fashion where linux equals freedom and windows is the opposite, it gives off a pretentious and insulting attitude
and so what, do you edit the linux kernel yourself then? what good does linux being open source do for you exactly?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35298993]i can tell you're not recognizing it on your own so here's something: every time you say "someone who likes their freedoms" and you talk in such a binary fashion where linux equals freedom and windows is the opposite, it gives off a pretentious and insulting attitude[/QUOTE]
Windows doesn't let you share it, doesn't let you edit it and doesn't let you use it for whatever purposes you want. Linux does. Thus Linux is more free.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35298993] what good does linux being open source do for you exactly?[/QUOTE]
Lets me have those freedoms.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35299101]Windows doesn't let you share it, doesn't let you edit it and doesn't let you use it for whatever purposes you want. Linux does. Thus Linux is more free.
Lets me have those freedoms.[/QUOTE]
ughh
i agree with the first 2 points, you can't share it and you can't edit it (at least you can't edit the actual OS). what does the last point mean? can't use it for whatever purpose i want? like what, what purpose can i not fulfill using windows? i also see you're still not even beginning to grasp how much of a douche you sound like constantly yammering on about how free you are and how restricted we are in the awful prison camp known as windows
and wow thanks [B]once again[/B] for a shit reply that doesn't explain anything
what do you do with those freedoms? what good is the freedom to edit the linux kernel, to share your OS, if you [B]don't use them[/B]. if you're that obsessed with freedoms (freedoms freedoms look mom i said freedoms AGAIN) then i guess the discussion ends here, but if you have a practical explanation for why you need those freedoms in the first place i'd LOVE to hear them
[editline]26th March 2012[/editline]
this really shouldn't even be a difficult discussion, naelstrom managed to explain his choice without sounding like a complete moron, i'm honestly surprised you're still struggling with it.
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