I can see why you'd say not to preorder games, but usually, reviews give a good indicator pretty quick about if a game is worth it at launch, like, within a couple of hours.
ok but you won't fucking stop me from preordering Wolfenstein The New Colossus
with the advent of being able to refund games just because you didn't like them makes it okay to pre-order games now
[QUOTE=meppers;52543372]with the advent of being able to refund games just because you didn't like them makes it okay to pre-order games now[/QUOTE]
people still don't bother to refund sometimes and that still encourages devs to make their game look good before release and just roll in pre-order dough
[QUOTE=meppers;52543372]with the advent of being able to refund games just because you didn't like them makes it okay to pre-order games now[/QUOTE]
Yeah, frankly, there's not really a downside to pre-ordering. If you pre-order a game, you get the pre-order DLC and a maximum of two weeks to find out if the purchase would be a mistake or not. Just don't play it for more than two hours and you're golden.
[editline]5th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=_charon;52543723]people still don't bother to refund sometimes and that still encourages devs to make their game look good before release and just roll in pre-order dough[/QUOTE]
How is that the problem of anyone other than the people who don't bother to refund, though? Worst case scenario I lose a couple of hours of my time and the game is a disappointment.
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How is that the problem of anyone other than the people who don't bother to refund, though? Worst case scenario I lose a couple of hours of my time and the game is a disappointment.[/QUOTE]
because games like Colonial Marines that looked great before they came out then turn out to be absolute ass still make money
Don't pre-order games even if there is refund. Just look how buyer's remorse affected people who bought No Man's Sky.
I have a pretty long and successful record with my preorders, so I'm going to keep doing it really.
[QUOTE=_charon;52543730]because games like Colonial Marines that looked great before they came out then turn out to be absolute ass still make money[/QUOTE]
Okay? If [I]I[/I] refunded it, it's still not my problem.
[editline]6th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Damjen;52544010]Don't pre-order games even if there is refund. Just look how buyer's remorse affected people who bought No Man's Sky.[/QUOTE]
You mean all the ones who refunded it even on PS4 where refunds are no-gos?
[QUOTE=meppers;52543372]with the advent of being able to refund games just because you didn't like them makes it okay to pre-order games now[/QUOTE]
Doesn't the new system encourage devs to put the majority of their time on making the first 2-3 hours fun so people go past the refund period?
Pre-ordering is still a bad idea, you just have an out if it turns out the games is shit pretty immediately.
[QUOTE=meppers;52543372]with the advent of being able to refund games just because you didn't like them makes it okay to pre-order games now[/QUOTE]
Hence why some scummy indie devs are preying on OCD with games that look awful, but boast several thousand achievements. Granted it isn't pre-order related but is still a thing.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52544362]most aaa publishers like devs to make the first 2 or 3 hours really good so reviewers who dont finish shit can say its a good game[/QUOTE]
It's a good reason, for the sake of integrity, that review copies are made avaliable significantly before release date (or embargo date), to give reviewers enough time to play the game to an adequate extent to be able to provide a proper extensive review on the game.
There's no harm in a 'First Impressions' article if the status of the review is unsatisfied, but different groups may want to have their reviews out first to be able to earn a higher clickrate + ad revenue than the competition.
Competition means nothing to people like Angry Joe in this sense, since his content comes out much later than the game does, but give an honest and really indepth and extensive review
Pre-Ordering (With exception of limited time and number of physical items) is ridiculous. Why give money in advance on something you can't have until a specific date, along with everyone else, where the only material for it is what was meticulously put together to market it?
And if there's an embargo on reviews that expires on the launch day, people still do it, despite this being the biggest red flag in the history of red flags
Is ploppin $60 on a promise worth playing a whole few hours sooner?
Yeah I think buying games during dinner is a lot better for me.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52544457]Pre-Ordering (With exception of limited time and number of physical items) is ridiculous. Why give money in advance on something you can't have until a specific date, along with everyone else, where the only material for it is what was meticulously put together to market it?
And if there's an embargo on reviews that expires on the launch day, people still do it, despite this being the biggest red flag in the history of red flags
Is ploppin $60 on a promise worth playing a whole few hours sooner?[/QUOTE]
The only valid reason to preorder is buying physical games. And even then it's not really smart.
[QUOTE]Stop buying games at lunch[/QUOTE]
aww man i thought it was gonna be about the affect of eating food on purchasing or something
What's wrong with preordering a game that you know is gonna be good (when it's for example another installment of an already successful series, like GTA) and you want the preorder bonuses, however small they are, to get the full package? If you're not paying extra for the preorder then I don't see what the problem is if you were gonna buy it anyway the moment it came out
edit: I have never regretted a single one of my preorders and only one early access purchase (a game from a known and formerly respectable studio, which they later pretty much abandoned), so please explain what's so "dumb" about my logic
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;52544571]What's wrong with preordering a game that you know is gonna be good (when it's for example another installment of an already successful series, like GTA) and you want the preorder bonuses, however small they are, to get the full package? If you're not paying extra for the preorder then I don't see what the problem is if you were gonna buy it anyway the moment it came out
edit: I have never regretted a single one of my preorders and only one early access purchase (a game from a known and formerly respectable studio, which they later pretty much abandoned), so please explain what's so "dumb" about my logic[/QUOTE]
It's not really dumb logic, albeit preorder bonuses shouldn't really be a thing. Many developers know that it will get people to buy a game that they're unsure of, and that's wrong. Not to mention, what if you don't have the money to buy the game until after it's released? How do you get the pre-order bonuses then?
I guess that's the only dumb thing really, I mean you never "know" that a game is going to be good, you can be pretty damn sure like you said if it's a successful series, albeit there's been times in the past where a successful series has released either a mediocre game or a flop
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52544675]albeit there's been times in the past where a successful series has released either a mediocre game or a flop[/QUOTE]
There's been [I]loads[/I] of times that's happened, you can't fully trust any company even with a good track record and there's no reason to have to do so either.. except preorder bonuses I guess, fuck that shit, the concept is so consumer-unfriendly and more often than not it's just some stupid asthetic thing that doesn't matter anyway, so ask yourself if it's worth it
[QUOTE=booster;52544479]Yeah I think buying games during dinner is a lot better for me.[/QUOTE]
i'm a fine connoisseur of midnight game buying binges
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;52544571]What's wrong with preordering a game that you know is gonna be good (when it's for example another installment of an already successful series, like GTA) and you want the preorder bonuses, however small they are, to get the full package? If you're not paying extra for the preorder then I don't see what the problem is if you were gonna buy it anyway the moment it came out
edit: I have never regretted a single one of my preorders and only one early access purchase (a game from a known and formerly respectable studio, which they later pretty much abandoned), so please explain what's so "dumb" about my logic[/QUOTE]
GTA would be a bad example considering how poorly GTA V went over for a lot of people. A better example for me personally would be funding the Kickstarter for La-Mulana 2. The level I chose was basically pre-ordering the game+ost. I know that even at its worst it's just going to be more of the first game so it's a sound investment for me even if the game still may not be released by the end of the year.
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i preordered gta 5 and forza horizon 3 few days before release
please stop me
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;52544571]What's wrong with preordering a game that you know is gonna be good (when it's for example another installment of an already successful series, like GTA) and you want the preorder bonuses, however small they are, to get the full package? If you're not paying extra for the preorder then I don't see what the problem is if you were gonna buy it anyway the moment it came out
edit: I have never regretted a single one of my preorders and only one early access purchase (a game from a known and formerly respectable studio, which they later pretty much abandoned), so please explain what's so "dumb" about my logic[/QUOTE]
Because you and people like you who pre order AAA games under that basis have led to said games having gutted out content for those of us who buy the game later, I don't want to piss money into to the wind on nothing more than a promise and because of that I miss out on Missions, Weapons, Levels, Charecters so on so forth, it's essentially a punishment for beign a smart consumer and the more this goes on the more shit they'll try and get away with.
I suppose i'll give a mention to the pre load / getting to play the game ASAP mindset, but let's just say my opinion of that attitude is highly condescending.
Pre ordering for a limitied edition physical copy with a statue or something like that, I'm willing to overlook. Thats about it.
Early Access is an argument for another day.
I never preorder, but I'll pay full price at launch for a game that I think deserves it.
Like the last one I bought for full price was Injustice 2 because I want more good dc games, or resident evil 7 because I want the developers to make more in the same style.
Massive developers don't need the money much, but with new IPs or if the series is trying something really new it needs todo decent or chances are they'll call it a failure and not make more.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52544457]Is ploppin $60 on a promise worth playing a whole few hours sooner?[/QUOTE]Yes, because I can get my money back if it doesn't hold up, I can preload, I can pay for it when I actually have the money instead of having to hope I'll have it sometime after launch. Just to name a few reasons.
The secret to preordering isn't "Don't preorder ever." Its, "Do your research and learn what to look for before a game's release." Know what to expect, know what is being said and shown, look for anything that may be going on in.
[editline]7th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;52544961]Because you and people like you who pre order AAA games under that basis have led to said games having gutted out content for those of us who buy the game later, I don't want to piss money into to the wind on nothing more than a promise and because of that I miss out on Missions, Weapons, Levels, Charecters so on so forth, it's essentially a punishment for beign a smart consumer and the more this goes on the more shit they'll try and get away with.[/QUOTE]No they're not contributing to that by preordering. You might have an argument if preorders were almost unheard of for the longest time and no one ever did it before preorder bonuses started. The games that pioneered preorder bonuses already had massive preorder rates and were favored on consoles, as physical goods and sold by retail stores. Most stores I'm aware of in fact have policies about full refunds if you cancel preorders and typically hold the game for at least a couple of days after the launch of it. And stores like Gamestop typically only ask for $5 for a standard edition of a game, which pays for its part of the final price. And hell, if you're in the EU or Australia, you have even more protections as a consumer.
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