• Bethesda embraces anti-Nazi stance: That's 'what Wolfenstein represents'
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[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/bethesda-embraces-anti-nazi-stance-thats-what-wolfenstein-represents[/url]
Its amazing that in the minority of trolls defending Nazis, there are a minority that actually cry about Nazis and defend them for real [editline]6th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] fuck Nazis
The fact that this being anti-nazi is controversial is possibly the epitome of the phrase 'legendarily stupid'.
What the fuck do these people expect, Its Wolfenstein.
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[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] This is hardly a matter of politics and more of morals wherever Nazis are concerned.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52753334]its hilarious that "fuck nazis" is a controversial political opinion now[/QUOTE] And it's downright pathetic that a new Wolfenstein taking that opinion is apparently pandering to leftist politics.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] Nazis are not politics. Nazis are people that deserve to be displayed being brutally murdered in a virtual video game however.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] Neither do I. Fuck nazis tho
This shouldn't even be controversial. If you have a problem with this, you should have a problem with every other Wolfenstein. Because they all are about killing Nazis.
This follows up Bethesda's previous political stance expressed in Doom, in which the game controversially decided to express an anti-demon worldview
Multiple factors to think about 1. Trolls fucking around, obviously the biggest factor to this 2. Legitimately ignorant SJW/Alt Right shit posts 3. Actual nazis crybabying about being scum
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753368]I get the whole "Fuck Nazis" thing going on in Wolfenstein, I love it. But this is just a shallow attempt to shoehorn real-life political situations into video games to somehow make them more appealing. [/QUOTE] Do you really think that's why people go political in their shit?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] All of the Wolfenstein games are political.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753396]No. I just think that Bethesda should have exercised their right to remain completely detached as a company that publishes artistic pieces of entertainment from whichever political trends are currently rampant on the internet and in real life.[/QUOTE] It's not Bethesda's fault that Nazis have suddenly come back in style for some baffling reason.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753368]I get the whole "Fuck Nazis" thing going on in Wolfenstein, I love it. But this is just a shallow attempt to shoehorn real-life political situations into video games to somehow make them more appealing. It's blatant in my eyes and devalues what Wolfenstein has going for it. They should have just not responded to all the idiots complaining that it's a far-left power-fantasy or whatever.[/QUOTE] Game was in development way before shit starting happening in the world recently with the Neo-Nazis
"Kill Nazis" is controversial now. De-evolution is real.
Remember when [I]everyone[/I] loved killing nazis? The fuck happened?
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52753420]Game was in development way before shit starting happening in the world recently with the Neo-Nazis[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52753406]It's not Bethesda's fault that Nazis have suddenly come back in style for some baffling reason.[/QUOTE] He's not at all talking about the game itself, more over, the response and how Bethesda is handling the situation The game has been around since the dawn of gaming and he understands this, I assume.
yeah wolfenstein has never really been seriously political at all, it's like saying COD zombies is trying to make a serious political statement it's a dumb (and very, very fun) action shooter using crazy future nazis as a bad guy to shoot i'm not even really against having some subtle commentary mixed in but i think you're remembering the wrong franchise if you're saying something like "wolfenstein was always political"
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753308]I dont like politics in my video games. This is stupid.[/QUOTE] go back to playing pong then
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753457]That's exactly my point? Wolfenstein is Wolfenstein. My gripe is just with Bethesda's spin on it and their response to that particular portion of their fans. [editline]6th October 2017[/editline] I think you guys are misunderstanding, I must have worded myself terribly.[/QUOTE] I think I get what you're trying to say. The marketing campaign for this game is being very unsubtle in it's "Trump's Amerikkka, amirite?" messaging (like, seriously, does anyone here think that "Make America Nazi-Free Again" line ISN'T a dig at Trump's campaign slogan?). I have no doubt that the game itself will remain the same "mindlessly killing nazis because nazis are evil" that Wolfenstein always is, but the people behind the marketing for the game are clearly trying to stir the pot in one of the most (if not THE most) politically divisive times in America's history. I mean, in case you didn't know, a lot of people who aren't nazis are being lumped in with the actual nazis because they might have right-leaning views, or voted a particular way, or whatever. Stuff like this probably needles it in a lot more than the marketing team may have realized (or cared, in all likelihood). That said, I honestly don't know how it could be avoided, given that yes, actual fucking nazis have openly marched around, Swastika flags and all. If I was in charge of marketing a game about killing nazis, you bet your fucking ass I would have done something similar. I'm just saying what I'm saying because I've seen incidents and I know people who have been accused of being nazis when they are anything but, simply because of the aforementioned "most politically divisive times in America" thing. I know that shit like that will probably make them more sensitive to anything relating to nazis simply on reflex. I realize I already stated that last paragraph, but it bears repeating, in my opinion. Simply put, if people weren't so willing to invoke Godwin's Law so aggresively these past couple of years, this would have been the complete nontroversy it honestly should be. I have no clue if this helped get the point across, but this is just how I'm seeing it.
People complaining about politics/real-world issues being in video games, comics, whatever fictional media are just as worthless as Nazis.
[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52753739]Being Anti-Nazi is our default stance, why bother declare it? They have a franchise that revolves around killing Nazis and trying to save innocent people, I thought it was implied.[/QUOTE] I think it's because they're making it clear that they're standing their ground, which unfortunately is hard for people to do nowadays if they don't want to get shit flung at them.
Heh, the series is literally about killing nazis. How can you make any other interpretation.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;52753557]I think I get what you're trying to say. The marketing campaign for this game is being very unsubtle in it's "Trump's Amerikkka, amirite?" messaging (like, seriously, does anyone here think that "Make America Nazi-Free Again" line ISN'T a dig at Trump's campaign slogan?). I have no doubt that the game itself will remain the same "mindlessly killing nazis because nazis are evil" that Wolfenstein always is, but the people behind the marketing for the game are clearly trying to stir the pot in one of the most (if not THE most) politically divisive times in America's history. I mean, in case you didn't know, a lot of people who aren't nazis are being lumped in with the actual nazis because they might have right-leaning views, or voted a particular way, or whatever. Stuff like this probably needles it in a lot more than the marketing team may have realized (or cared, in all likelihood). That said, I honestly don't know how it could be avoided, given that yes, actual fucking nazis have openly marched around, Swastika flags and all. If I was in charge of marketing a game about killing nazis, you bet your fucking ass I would have done something similar. I'm just saying what I'm saying because I've seen incidents and I know people who have been accused of being nazis when they are anything but, simply because of the aforementioned "most politically divisive times in America" thing. I know that shit like that will probably make them more sensitive to anything relating to nazis simply on reflex. I realize I already stated that last paragraph, but it bears repeating, in my opinion. Simply put, if people weren't so willing to invoke Godwin's Law so aggresively these past couple of years, this would have been the complete nontroversy it honestly should be. I have no clue if this helped get the point across, but this is just how I'm seeing it.[/QUOTE] Even then there's nothing inherently wrong with art attempting to be topical and carrying a political message though.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;52753368]I get the whole "Fuck Nazis" thing going on in Wolfenstein, I love it. But this is just a shallow attempt to shoehorn real-life political situations into video games to somehow make them more appealing. It's blatant in my eyes and devalues what Wolfenstein has going for it. They should have just not responded to all the idiots complaining that it's a far-left power-fantasy or whatever.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean but, A. They are Nazis B. I seen this coming even when the first one was announced, a Wolfenstein where you fight Nazis in America, I could totally see that. I definitely didn't see people actually being upset about Nazis portrayed in a negative light. C. They are fucking Nazis.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;52753780]Even then there's nothing inherently wrong with art attempting to be topical and carrying a political message though.[/QUOTE] Especially considering how Wolfenstein has always been anti-nazi. Like, there's nothing odd about this reinforcement of their stance, in fact it makes perfect sense to me.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;52753404]All of the Wolfenstein games are political.[/QUOTE] Were they? Nazis were universally frowned upon until this past couple of years.
I mean Machinegames's Wolfenstein definitely have that Paul Verhoeven approach with bombastic action that has social commentary woven into it, so I don't see what problem could be have with its prominence in The New Colossus. There's even some in-game dialog of Nazis talking about how it's wrong for the rebels to be killing nazis just because they have conflicting world views, then they talk about what death camp they're being assigned to.
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