How about you focus on releasing the games on PC and XBox since the OS is "unified", instead of arbitrarily alienating your consumers?
Also this is a really bad feature, as time passes your "predictable" hardware becomes obsolete making the experience vastly inferior to the PC.
[QUOTE=Medevila;48322761]streaming to xbone wouldn't require stellar hardware, just a decent LAN[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean that. I meant, PC will be pushing the limits of the hardware, while XBone will always be frozen on time. Why would I want to pay 400 dollars on an XBox, if I can just as easily buy a 50 dollars Steam Link?
If the reason is "To also play XBox games" that goes into my "Stop alienating your consumers".
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48322868]I didn't mean that. I meant, PC will be pushing the limits of the hardware, while XBone will always be frozen on time. Why would I want to pay 400 dollars on an XBox, if I can just as easily buy a 50 dollars Steam Link?
If the reason is "To also play XBox games" that goes into my "Stop alienating your consumers".[/QUOTE]
Why would you pay 50$ for a Steam Link if you already have an Xbox ? Streaming is not the selling point here, it's just a bonus feature.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48322891]Why would you pay 50$ for a Steam Link if you already have an Xbox ? Streaming is not the selling point here, it's just a bonus feature.[/QUOTE]
The scenario here is "I have a game on my PC that I want to play on XBox". When was that ever true? If I had a game on my PC that I wanted to play on a TV, I'd just use a Steam Link.
Kind of off topic, but it would be nice if we could pop in an Xbox CD to our computer and play games directly through the xbox app
that'd be pretty sick
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48322962]The scenario here is "I have a game on my PC that I want to play on XBox". When was that ever true? If I had a game on my PC that I wanted to play on a TV, I'd just use a Steam Link.[/QUOTE]
I have on multiple occasions bought a console version of a game even though it was available for pc, even though I only touch my ps4 like once every 2 months. Some people have friends that prefer other platforms, and crossplay is not exactly an extremely available feature
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48322680]How about you focus on releasing the games on PC and XBox since the OS is "unified", instead of arbitrarily alienating your consumers?
Also this is a really bad feature, as time passes your "predictable" hardware becomes obsolete making the experience vastly inferior to the PC.[/QUOTE]
because without exclusives there's literally no reason to own a console
[QUOTE=J!NX;48323889]because without exclusives there's literally no reason to own a console[/QUOTE]
Except that isn't true at all.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48323899]Except that isn't true at all.[/QUOTE]
Consoles don't really have features that truly stand out to be honest. There's a few things that are cool but watching TV while playing games is a silly gimmick when it all comes down to it. PS4 doesn't really have any special features either.
What makes consoles any special at all? they're cheap? PC gaming can be far cheaper because of discounts and if you build smart. Because of controllers? that doesn't even make sense, you can use almost any controller on PC and most games support it. Less and less games aren't supporting this as well.
because of games for gold? that's kind of a dumb gimmick as well. You could get as many/more games with humble bundle/gog/origin/steam sales anyways.
[QUOTE=J!NX;48323946]Consoles don't really have features that truly stand out to be honest. There's a few things that are cool but watching TV while playing games is a silly gimmick when it all comes down to it. PS4 doesn't really have any special features either.[/QUOTE]
Plug and play, general portability, price, very little necessary technical knowledge, oh and they can actually fucking reliably play blurays. There are plenty of reasons to own a console. Many of these diminish with technical knowledge, but they're certainly there.
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Jesus not this again. Spec for spec it is cheaper because they're sold at a fucking loss.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48323991]Plug and play, general portability, price, very little necessary technical knowledge, oh and they can actually fucking reliably play blurays. There are plenty of reasons to own a console. Many of these diminish with technical knowledge, but they're certainly there.[/QUOTE]
Plug and play. Once you set up a PC it's set up. Done. Of course consoles are far easier to set up though, you don't set them up, they just run.
portability. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbONfPkwa_s"]you can build a PC to be as small as a console, more or less. this video is doing it by using top hardware on a larger case though. you could do it smaller while still being cheap and reliable.[/URL]
price. PC gaming can be just as cheap because of discounts and if you build smart.
"very little necessary technical knowledge" Building a pc is as easy as using legos. Just use [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/[/url] and a youtube guide. Most people can figure it out.
Alright, so I'll break this down for you real quick.
[QUOTE=J!NX;48324043]Plug and play. Once you set up a PC it's set up. Done. Of course consoles are far easier to set up though, you don't set them up, they just run.[/quote]
So you're agreeing with me now?
[quote]portability. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbONfPkwa_s"]you can build a PC to be as small as a console, more or less. this video is doing it by using top hardware on a larger case though. you could do it smaller while still being cheap and reliable.[/URL][/quote]
This goes along with "very little necessary technical knowledge." You know very well I know how small a PC can be built.
[quote]price. PC gaming can be just as cheap because of discounts and if you build smart.[/quote]
No you can't. New hardware, you won't be picking up something capable with an OS and kb/mouse for $400.
[quote]"very little necessary technical knowledge" Building a pc is as easy as using legos. Just use [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/[/url] and a youtube guide. Most people can figure it out.[/QUOTE]
Many people are unwilling, and some people just flat out don't get it. Picking up a console is far easier on the mind and time.
Reasons why people buy a console aren't only for portability. The main selling point is simplicity. Not everyone wants to build a PC. Not everyone wants to deal with all the ins and outs of an operating system. Not everyone wants an operating system if they're only going to play games. And yes, its very portable and living room friendly. Not everyone wants to troubleshoot hardware if there is something wrong. Not everyone wants to deal with all the other hardware features and potential issues. The list goes on and on.
The whole "building a pc is as easy as building legos" simply isn't true...for first timers. You think building a giant lego death destroyer is easy on the first try? Yeah it can be pretty simple once you figure it out, but for a first timer it can take [B]HOURS[/B] to build it, get it right, install the operating system, drivers, games, apps, etc. You have to remember that the people making videos have done it a million times. It looks much easier than it actually is when you first build it.
Many people also want to just relax on their couch and use a controller. PC doesn't [B]NATIVELY[/B] allow this. Unless you're a hardcore PC guy, no one wants to go out and find a download and figure out how to configure it. Another half hour wasted there when you can simply buy a console, plug it in, and get going. Steam Big Picture is not an argument either, since steam isn't the only spot for games. Many hot games like Battlefield use Origin which doesn't support controllers on their software platform.
Consoles are SO much more simple and cost effective, which is why its more attractive to most people. Most people aren't patient and just want to play games, which is why consoles will stay relevant for a long, long time.
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[QUOTE=J!NX;48324043]
portability. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbONfPkwa_s"]you can build a PC to be as small as a console, more or less. this video is doing it by using top hardware on a larger case though. you could do it smaller while still being cheap and reliable.[/URL]
.[/QUOTE]
Using your own video by the way, I want to show you in one picture exactly what turns off the everyday consume and console gamer from building a pc:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ia2SDrb.jpg[/img]
To most people, that looks like a nightmare. Hell even to me it looks intimidating.
[QUOTE=ArcticRevrus;48323863]I have on multiple occasions bought a console version of a game even though it was available for pc, even though I only touch my ps4 like once every 2 months. Some people have friends that prefer other platforms, and crossplay is not exactly an extremely available feature[/QUOTE]
You have a console game that you're playing on your console. That's one thing. The other thing is having a game, installing it on your pc and streaming it to the console. You can't cross play or play with your friends that are playing on XBox because you'd be playing the PC version of that game. You're just using your XBox to put the game on your TV.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48323991]Plug and play, general portability, price, very little necessary technical knowledge, oh and they can actually fucking reliably play blurays. There are plenty of reasons to own a console. Many of these diminish with technical knowledge, but they're certainly there.
[editline]29th July 2015[/editline]
Jesus not this again. Spec for spec it is cheaper because they're sold at a fucking loss.[/QUOTE]
There's no reason, really. If there were no exclusives, "consoles" would be just bre-built PCs that you plug on your TV. Except without the enslaving OS. Heck, if we moved on that direction, modularity of PCs could've advanced a lot to allow common users to upgrade their machines without having any hardware knowledge.
[QUOTE=J!NX;48324043]Plug and play. Once you set up a PC it's set up. Done. Of course consoles are far easier to set up though, you don't set them up, they just run.
portability. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbONfPkwa_s"]you can build a PC to be as small as a console, more or less. this video is doing it by using top hardware on a larger case though. you could do it smaller while still being cheap and reliable.[/URL]
price. PC gaming can be just as cheap because of discounts and if you build smart.
"very little necessary technical knowledge" Building a pc is as easy as using legos. Just use [url]http://pcpartpicker.com/[/url] and a youtube guide. Most people can figure it out.[/QUOTE]
I love linus' videos as much as anyone but this is a shit example. That thing is over 1k. Yeah, it performs great, but most people just see that price tag before they see any gaming improvement.
And using pcpartpicker is easy for us because we know what to look for, how to do it, etc, but even with a "youtube" guide it's fairly difficult to do as a beginner and easy to fuck things up.
Things like this, you just gotta step back and look at why things are the way they are.
[editline]29th July 2015[/editline]
Streaming like this is aimed specifically at people with a shit computer that has an xbox, and for some reason can't play on their xbox but still wants to game.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48324757]Streaming like this is aimed specifically at people with a shit computer that has an xbox, and for some reason can't play on their xbox but still wants to game.[/QUOTE]
They didn't say the XBox would be doing anything. The PC would still be doing all the heavy lifting and just passing the processed data to the XBox.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48324805]They didn't say the XBox would be doing anything. The PC would still be doing all the heavy lifting and just passing the processed data to the XBox.[/QUOTE]
That's not how this works. Streaming games is pretty much using your pc as an en/decoder for your inputs, sound, and video. The Xbox is still doing all the rendering and shit.
C'mon people, modern consoles are not plug and play; you need internet connection, you have to log on your account, you need to download and install games before you can start playing, both games and firmware has to be updated, and you need to pay attention to the size of the games and state of your hard disk and possibly swap it when it gets full. And also the user interface is relatively complicated.
And also c'mon about the PC building part; you can enter any PC hardware shop and say build me a PC for XY$, buy windows and tell them to install it and you are done. If something breaks you return it there and they will fix it.
[QUOTE=redBadger;48324566]
Using your own video by the way, I want to show you in one picture exactly what turns off the everyday consume and console gamer from building a pc:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ia2SDrb.jpg[/img]
To most people, that looks like a nightmare. Hell even to me it looks intimidating.[/QUOTE]
This is the prime example how wrong all this is. This is as intimidating as watching a mechanic fixing a car engine. 99.999% of car drivers don't give a shit about it and they still use their car. Why the hell do console gamers always have to be scared of with pictures like this ?
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48324823]That's not how this works. Streaming games is pretty much using your pc as an en/decoder for your inputs, sound, and video. The Xbox is still doing all the rendering and shit.[/QUOTE]
That would be true if it were from you XBox to your pc. In this case, it's from your pc to your xbox.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48324898]That would be true if it were from you XBox to your pc. In this case, it's from your pc to your xbox.[/QUOTE]
oh wow I can't read.
[quote]You have a console game that you're playing on your console. That's one thing. The other thing is having a game, installing it on your pc and streaming it to the console. You can't cross play or play with your friends that are playing on XBox because you'd be playing the PC version of that game. You're just using your XBox to put the game on your TV.[/quote]
If your going to take that angle from it, I play shit like GTA and WH40K space marine streamed to my tv all the time through my HTPC. Just because you don't use a feature doesn't mean others don't, and I definitely dont expect everybody to own a HTPC when most people don't have a home server for media storage.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48324871]C'mon people, modern consoles are not plug and play; you need internet connection, you have to log on your account, you need to download and install games before you can start playing, both games and firmware has to be updated, and you need to pay attention to the size of the games and state of your hard disk and possibly swap it when it gets full. And also the user interface is relatively complicated.
And also c'mon about the PC building part; you can enter any PC hardware shop and say build me a PC for XY$, buy windows and tell them to install it and you are done. If something breaks you return it there and they will fix it.
This is the prime example how wrong all this is. This is as intimidating as watching a mechanic fixing a car engine. 99.999% of car drivers don't give a shit about it and they still use their car. Why the hell do console gamers always have to be scared of with pictures like this ?[/QUOTE]
Like I said before, it's convenience and simplicity.
Just because it looks simple to you doesn't mean it's simple to most others.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48322962]The scenario here is "I have a game on my PC that I want to play on XBox". When was that ever true? If I had a game on my PC that I wanted to play on a TV, I'd just use a Steam Link.[/QUOTE]
But why would I buy a Steam Link if I already had an XBone
you see that's the thing here, people already own XBones because they own them for other shit. There's no reason for me to pay an extra $50 for a piece of hardware when I already own an existing piece of hardware that does that and more.
[editline]29th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=redBadger;48324566][img]http://i.imgur.com/ia2SDrb.jpg[/img]
To most people, that looks like a nightmare. Hell even to me it looks intimidating.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'm always fucking scared to death when I open up my PC because everything looks so fragile and breakable, especially cards with no exterior casing on them or anything.
bandaid on a gash
[QUOTE=gk99;48326614]But why would I buy a Steam Link if I already had an XBone
you see that's the thing here, people already own XBones because they own them for other shit. There's no reason for me to pay an extra $50 for a piece of hardware when I already own an existing piece of hardware that does that and more.
[editline]29th July 2015[/editline]
Honestly, I'm always fucking scared to death when I open up my PC because everything looks so fragile and breakable, especially cards with no exterior casing on them or anything.[/QUOTE]
I must admit, I shat my pants when I upgraded my graphics card recently. I'd never dealt with the inside of a computer before and I've heard horror stories like "Don't touch ANY components without wearing this static band or you'll break it!" and such. If I had someone on hand who had better knowledge than myself I wouldn't have chosen to do it alone.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48324871]C'mon people, modern consoles are not plug and play; you need internet connection, you have to log on your account, you need to download and install games before you can start playing, both games and firmware has to be updated, and you need to pay attention to the size of the games and state of your hard disk and possibly swap it when it gets full. And also the user interface is relatively complicated.[/QUOTE]
The thing about this is that not only do you deal with the same things on a PC setup, you deal with more. What if your hardware becomes outdated, and you don't know how to replace a computer part? What if you have a hardware problem, and you don't know how to identify it? What if you have a software problem and you don't know how to update it? Not to mention this:
[QUOTE=redBadger;48324566]Many people also want to just relax on their couch and use a controller. PC doesn't [B]NATIVELY[/B] allow this. Unless you're a hardcore PC guy, no one wants to go out and find a download and figure out how to configure it. Another half hour wasted there when you can simply buy a console, plug it in, and get going. Steam Big Picture is not an argument either, since steam isn't the only spot for games. Many hot games like Battlefield use Origin which doesn't support controllers on their software platform.[/QUOTE]
Of course, you could argue that they can look up how to fix all these hardware/software problems on Google or something. Or think like somebody with little patience who just wants to play a goddamn game. I'd just get a console.
A lot of people here overestimate what people know of electronics, even in 2015. I still know many people who don't know how to operate an Android phone beyond phone and text. I mean fuck, my cousin is just slightly younger than me and he still manages to fill his computer with viruses over nothing.
[QUOTE=Octopod;48354770]The thing about this is that not only do you deal with the same things on a PC setup, you deal with more. What if your hardware becomes outdated, and you don't know how to replace a computer part? What if you have a hardware problem, and you don't know how to identify it? What if you have a software problem and you don't know how to update it?
Of course, you could argue that they can look up how to fix all these hardware/software problems on Google or something. Or think like somebody with little patience who just wants to play a goddamn game. I'd just get a console.[/QUOTE]
But why, why does a PC user have to know how internal components work and a console user doesn't ? Why does he need to know how to fix it ?
I'm not saying consoles aren't easier to use (though they are way more complicated then the PS2 generation), but people over-complicate PC usage. Just like you in your post, it's like PC shops and repair services don't exist at all and you are on your own. Just like you would return a broken console to the shop where you bought it, the same goes for a PC. I used PCs for 9 years before I opened the case. I would always go to a shop where I bought it when something was wrong.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48355179]But why, why does a PC user have to know how internal components work and a console user doesn't ? Why does he need to know how to fix it ?
I'm not saying consoles aren't easier to use (though they are way more complicated then the PS2 generation), but people over-complicate PC usage. Just like you in your post, it's like PC shops and repair services don't exist at all and you are on your own. Just like you would return a broken console to the shop where you bought it, the same goes for a PC. I used PCs for 9 years before I opened the case. I would always go to a shop where I bought it when something was wrong.[/QUOTE]
Shops like that are generally overpriced, and on top of that they usually charge you like 100+ dollars to assemble it.
Then there's also the small fact that it's relatively easy to completely fuck up Windows with malware and faulty drivers and what not if you don't know what you're doing, something a shop won't help you with without charging you for it
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