Not sure what they expected with that band-aid 'fix', it's caused more issues than the problem itself, which they knew of.
Many seem to act as if Intel deserves this.
Is there any reason they do?
Aren't they taking the best measures they are able to in order to fix the issue?
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53137315]Many seem to act as if Intel deserves this.
Is there any reason they do?
Aren't they taking the best measures they are able to in order to fix the issue?[/QUOTE]
ARM and AMD seemed to be left out as well most of the time, yea AMD is less affected but is still affected as well.
Sucks that Intel had additional problems with the first fixes.
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53137315]Many seem to act as if Intel deserves this.
Is there any reason they do?
Aren't they taking the best measures they are able to in order to fix the issue?[/QUOTE]
Intel knew about these vulnerabilities for [I]months[/I] ahead of the public release (intended or not) of them.
Why the fuck were the patches and fixes so goddamn broken? I understand it does take time to develop fixes for this kind of thing, but this is something they should have put a lot of resources into to get it done right ASAP. It feels largely like a half-assed rush job.
[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;53137335]Intel knew about these vulnerabilities for [I]months[/I] ahead of the public release (intended or not) of them.
Why the fuck were the patches and fixes so goddamn broken? I understand it does take time to develop fixes for this kind of thing, but this is something they should have put a lot of resources into to get it done right ASAP. It feels largely like a half-assed rush job.[/QUOTE]
Fuck months, they knew about them from the start, especially Meltdown.
Meltdown is a product of them cutting corners to increase operational speed and could easily have been avoided if they never did this, its why its Intel specific.
Spectre however is a flaw in the overall architecture shared between all x86 and x64 processors, and again is the product of Intel, but unlike Meltdown, it was likely not done intentionally.
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53137315]Many seem to act as if Intel deserves this.
Is there any reason they do?
Aren't they taking the best measures they are able to in order to fix the issue?[/QUOTE]
They deserve everything that's coming to them for the decades of illegal business practices that nearly led AMD to the brink and gave them a virtual monopoly.
Also, you speak of 'deserving' as if it has feelings; it's a company. It would feed your entire family in a meat grinder if it meant it could make a profit, assuming it could get away without any consequences.
[editline]16th February 2018[/editline]
Also, they knew about these vulnerabilities for a long time and sat on them. That's reason enough for me.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;53137425]Also, you speak of 'deserving' as if it has feelings; it's a company. It would feed your entire family in a meat grinder if it meant it could make a profit, assuming it could get away without any consequences.[/QUOTE]
Nah I'm referring to people when I say deserving, as in people who think ill of Intel. Not sure why that's worth arguing about.
But yeah I've pretty much gotten the answer I was looking for.
[QUOTE=Reagy;53137369]Fuck months, they knew about them from the start, especially Meltdown.[/QUOTE]
It is true, it's inconcievable that CPU engineers would not have looked over this stuff when designing the architecture. While it probably was not seen as a security issue at the time, someone approved the design without asking security questions, even though security considerations would've come up amongst engineers.
im buying an i7-8700k soon. is it safe to buy one yet or are they still messed up?
[QUOTE=LeonS;53137494]im buying an i7-8700k soon. is it safe to buy one yet or are they still messed up?[/QUOTE]
Security fixes are still being put in place. But soon you should be safe but you'll have a performance hit in some applications. In most things, maybe 5%.
But the hardware itself won't be solved for years likely since it takes so long to implement architecture changes.
alright so hold off on the i7 8700, got it. not going to buy a broken product.
[QUOTE=Lyokanthrope;53137335]Intel knew about these vulnerabilities for [I]months[/I] ahead of the public release (intended or not) of them.
Why the fuck were the patches and fixes so goddamn broken? I understand it does take time to develop fixes for this kind of thing, but this is something they should have put a lot of resources into to get it done right ASAP. It feels largely like a half-assed rush job.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget [URL="http://nordic.businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-krzanich-sold-shares-after-company-was-informed-of-chip-flaw-2018-1"]the CEO selling his Intel stocks before the vulnerability became public.[/URL]
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