[quote]It wouldn’t be right to call it Windows 9[/quote]
That... that is the whole explanation? Was there any sort of logic behind naming it Windows 10?
[QUOTE=Clavus;46117457]That... that is the whole explanation? Was there any sort of logic behind naming it Windows 10?[/QUOTE]Probably a marketing thing, IBM Cognos Business Intelligence moved from 8 to 10 as well. (We did have a 9 however it wasn't part of the core product.)
is there some kind of superstition behind 9 in the tech business world?
Is it like a 13th floor thing?
[QUOTE=xalener;46117584]is there some kind of superstition behind 9 in the tech business world?
Is it like a 13th floor thing?[/QUOTE]
There isn't a lot of software that gets to version 9. For example, Apache is at 2.4 currently, BASH arguably one of the oldest software that is still developed and actively used is in version 4.x
Two of the oldest databases Oracle and DB2 are version 12c and 10.5 respectively. It all depends on how you do your software versioning. Interestingly, JAVA is version 8 currently, but most developers refer to Java by the 1.x version since recently they changed from saying JAVA 1.x to Java x.
I could probably talk for hours about this subject.
[editline]30th September 2014[/editline]
Also, try checking this out.
[url]http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/microsoft-skips--too-good--windows-9--jumps-to-windows-10.html[/url]
Written Apr 1, 2013
[QUOTE=Clavus;46117457]That... that is the whole explanation? Was there any sort of logic behind naming it Windows 10?[/QUOTE]
makes sence to me, if they named it windows 9, there would be an expectation of it being good like 7 and XP before it, now it just has to be as good as Vista and 8
Windows XP Good. Windows Vista Bad. Windows 7 Good. Windows 8 Meh. Windows 9 SKIP TO 10
Seems like nobody can count these days. Sequels to games that use the original name, third Xbox being called the One
I'm betting some 25 year new guy at Microsoft fresh out of college is all Happy and Buzzwordy, with his Starbucks in his hand was all, If we do Windows 10 we can use #WinTen on Twitter
Just sounds like they're fully aware of the good-bad-good-bad stigma and stupidly thought skipping a number would somehow avoid this and/or fool all of us. Not going to work...
That is, unless Windows 10 actually turns out to be really impressive? If that's the case, then fantastic, they broke the curse!
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46118791]Windows XP Good. Windows Vista Bad. Windows 7 Good. Windows 8 Meh. Windows 9 SKIP TO 10
Seems like nobody can count these days. Sequels to games that use the original name, third Xbox being called the One
I'm betting some 25 year new guy at Microsoft fresh out of college is all Happy and Buzzwordy, with his Starbucks in his hand was all, If we do Windows 10 we can use #WinTen on Twitter[/QUOTE]
You gotta have something better year after year. Month after Month. What if your customers think you're not developing fast enough? The age of competent version numbers is dead. Just look at Firefox What version are we at now? 35? How the fuck did an internet browser advance by 31 versions in four years???
[QUOTE=Sobek-;46119039]Just sounds like they're fully aware of the good-bad-good-bad stigma and stupidly thought skipping a number would somehow avoid this and/or fool all of us. Not going to work...
That is, unless Windows 10 actually turns out to be really impressive? If that's the case, then fantastic, they broke the curse![/QUOTE]
The problem is that the odd numbers were the good ones though, so now we're getting a cursed even number after an even number
Windows 8.1 is Windows 9 , Look the maths --> 8.1 (8 + 1 = 9) !!
[QUOTE=xalener;46119704]The problem is that the odd numbers were the good ones though, so now we're getting a cursed even number after an even number[/QUOTE]
Oh shit you're right, my bad. So we might get a good OS on a cursed number, hey whatever works. It does seem like a good part of the reason for the skip might be to try and break this consumer-driven good/bad cycle stigma though, and why not.
they should have gone to 9 and skipped to 11
[QUOTE=lotus006;46119843]Windows 8.1 is Windows 9 , Look the maths --> 8.1 (8 + 1 = 9) !![/QUOTE]
Considering 8.1 was originally supposed to be 9, but got rolled into a service pack because people absolutely hated 8, this makes perfect sense.
Also, have you looked at the feature set? It's like Windows 7 all over again, with a bunch of really impressive improvements, and they can still deploy the touch-based interfaces across their touch platforms on the same OS. Microsoft might have hit the nail on the head with this one; it's iterative, but they've finally figured out what works.
And what works just happens to be Windows XP with a slightly flashier UX and a lot more effort put into the backend features and system utilities.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46118791]Windows XP Good. Windows Vista Bad. Windows 7 Good. Windows 8 Meh. Windows 9 SKIP TO 10
Seems like nobody can count these days. Sequels to games that use the original name, third Xbox being called the One
I'm betting some 25 year new guy at Microsoft fresh out of college is all Happy and Buzzwordy, with his Starbucks in his hand was all, If we do Windows 10 we can use #WinTen on Twitter[/QUOTE]
Windows 8 was a big improvement from Windows 7, I have no clue why people keep talking trash about it.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;46120419]Windows 8 was a big improvement from Windows 7, I have no clue why people keep talking trash about it.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to Windows 8, the word 'improvement' is incredibly subjective otherwise it would have been unanimously accepted like Windows 7 was.
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;46120687]When it comes to Windows 8, the word 'improvement' is incredibly subjective otherwise it would have been unanimously accepted like Windows 7 was.[/QUOTE]
No.
W8 is unaccepted because people think it's "unforgiveable" to download a program to revert a simple UI change. W8 is unanimously unaccepted because people didn't understand that the Start Screen wasn't mandatory and it didn't replace the desktop interface. W8 is a straight up improvement from 7, it's just so much faster better and responsive, the UI changes for the taskbar and file transfer are godlike and I couldn't live without it.
This is just Vista all over again. Vista was much better than XP, but because of the rough start the 3 first months people detested and despised it. It was slow, it chugged memory like a bitch, and it supported nothing. Then when those problems were fixed people just kept hating it for reasons that were fixed, because they didn't know and never cared to acknowledge it either.
You shouldn't have to download thirdparty software to make an OS tolerable
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;46120804]You shouldn't have to download thirdparty software to make an OS tolerable[/QUOTE]
I have to do that every time I re-install Windows of any version.
I have to download a different browser because Internet Explorer is crap.
I have to download CCleaner because the system clogs up with temporary files, registry faults and leftovers from a shitty uninstaller that can't even delete everything related to what you uninstalled.
I would have installed Revo Uninstaller again if I liked it, so that I can actually uninstall programs properly leaving less shit for CCleaner to do.
I have to download Malwarebytes and Spybot because Windows Defender only covers viruses
I have to download Windirstat to find out what folders or files in my disk takes up all that damn space because Windows doesn't want to give you that information in an overview.
I have to download 7zip because Windows Explorer can only open zip files and nothing more, the format support is also limited.
I have to download Dxtory/Fraps/Shadowplay because Windows still doesn't have a recording software.
I have to download Adobe Photoshop because Paint still is one of the worst image editing programs out there.
I have to download Adobe Premiere Pro because Windows Movie Maker is too limited.
I have to download K-lite or CCCP codec pack because Windows doesn't even have support for more than the very very basic video codecs.
I have to download Word because Notepad and Wordpad are too limited.
I have to download Renamer because Windows doesn't have a batch renaming solution beyond adding (##) behind the same exact name.
I have to download Mumble because Windows doesn't allow me to voice chat with friends otherwise.
etc
etc
There are even webpages dedicated to make this process easier for people. [url]https://ninite.com/[/url]
[B]With the tick of a checkbox[/B] you can have Classic Shell installed on your Windows 8 automatically alongside your browser of choice, 7zip and all that other stuff.
It takes you literally 1 click on a checkbox to fix the [B]SINGLE[/B] problem people have with W8. You run the program once, select your prefered Start Menu Style (XP/7/8) and you're done. Feel free to tinker with the broad amount of customization that would be worth installing it for even on W7.
Bitching about something that is fixable with the use of a simple program is so extremely unnecessary and incredibly childish. It ignores the inherit nature of Windows which is to download programs to make it suit your needs, we've applauded it for it, that it's not a restrictive OS that doesn't want you to change stuff, that it's a system made for everyone, the casuals, the overclockers, the programmers, the gamers, the office workers, the designers, EVERYONE. You take the OS, and then you set it up just the way you want it. You want to look exactly like Mac OSX? Sure, here is a program that lets you do that, now you have the UI of a Mac on your Windows.
[QUOTE=dgg;46120852]I have to do that every time I re-install Windows of any version.
I have to download a different browser because Internet Explorer is crap.
I have to download CCleaner because the system clogs up with temporary files, registry faults and leftovers from a shitty uninstaller that can't even delete everything related to what you uninstalled.
I would have installed Revo Uninstaller again if I liked it, so that I can actually uninstall programs properly leaving less shit for CCleaner to do.
I have to download Malwarebytes and Spybot because Windows Defender only covers viruses
I have to download Windirstat to find out what folders or files in my disk takes up all that damn space because Windows doesn't want to give you that information in an overview.
I have to download 7zip because Windows Explorer can only open zip files and nothing more, the format support is also limited.
I have to download Dxtory/Fraps/Shadowplay because Windows still doesn't have a recording software.
I have to download Adobe Photoshop because Paint still is one of the worst image editing programs out there.
I have to download Adobe Premiere Pro because Windows Movie Maker is too limited.
I have to download K-lite or CCCP codec pack because Windows doesn't even have support for more than the very very basic video codecs.
I have to download Word because Notepad and Wordpad are too limited.
I have to download Renamer because Windows doesn't have a batch renaming solution beyond adding (##) behind the same exact name.
I have to download Mumble because Windows doesn't allow me to voice chat with friends otherwise.
etc
etc
There are even webpages dedicated to make this process easier for people. [URL]https://ninite.com/[/URL]
[B]With the tick of a checkbox[/B] you can have Classic Shell installed on your Windows 8 automatically alongside your browser of choice, 7zip and all that other stuff.
It takes you literally 1 click on a checkbox to fix the [B]SINGLE[/B] problem people have with W8. You run the program once, select your prefered Start Menu Style (XP/7/8) and you're done. Feel free to tinker with the broad amount of customization that would be worth installing it for even on W7.
Bitching about something that is fixable with the use of a simple program is so extremely unnecessary and incredibly childish. It ignores the inherit nature of Windows which is to download programs to make it suit your needs, we've applauded it for it, that it's not a restrictive OS that doesn't want you to change stuff, that it's a system made for everyone, the casuals, the overclockers, the programmers, the gamers, the office workers, the designers, EVERYONE. You take the OS, and then you set it up just the way you want it. You want to look exactly like Mac OSX? Sure, here is a program that lets you do that, now you have the UI of a Mac on your Windows.[/QUOTE]
People don't want to have to install something to just change the UI to something that used to be a mandatory windows thing.
Additionally, there are things you can't fix with software, like how everything was hidden behind tons of new menus and there was a weird separation between the touch-screen and desktop UI, with apps on one side being full screen and gotten through an app store, with the other side being typical desktop programs.
Ultimately it came down to personal preference, I for one don't like windows 8 at all, and obviously you love it.
Yelling at people telling them at they're idiots and plebs for not liking it doesn't do anything to help your cause besides just causing conflict, especially when the improvements aren't THAT huge and its not like switching to Windows 8 would suddenly make your computer run 50x better.
[QUOTE=ntzu;46120963]People don't want to have to install something to just change the UI to something that used to be a mandatory windows thing.
Additionally, there are things you can't fix with software, like how everything was hidden behind tons of new menus and there was a weird separation between the touch-screen and desktop UI, with apps on one side being full screen and gotten through an app store, with the other side being typical desktop programs.
Ultimately it came down to personal preference, I for one don't like windows 8 at all, and obviously you love it.
Yelling at people telling them at they're idiots and plebs for not liking it doesn't do anything to help your cause besides just causing conflict, especially when the improvements aren't THAT huge and its not like switching to Windows 8 would suddenly make your computer run 50x better.[/QUOTE]
People don't want change is what you're saying, they will grasp any arguments and reasonings for why change is unacceptable, and any solution to the problem will be rejected in favour of the old solution.
"everything" everything what exactly? I've been using Windows 8 since release and I've literally never gone into the Metro screen for anything but my own curiosity to check it out and try to use it. There are no settings in there, except for the very odd choice of changing password, that you can't access in the Control Panel.
Seperation between the touch-screen and desktop UI? yes of course, the touch-screen UI is for touch-screens, you don't need to utilize it, just get Classic Shell. Literally the only thing that is Touch-screen interfaced is the Start Screen, and you have no reason to use it, you use it by choice, not because you have to.
It makes your computer run 2-3x better, that's reason enough.
[QUOTE=dgg;46120852]I have to download a different browser because Internet Explorer is crap [/QUOTE]
I'll just disagree on that single sentence. IE11 is good, way better than its previous versions as far as I remember. Sure, it lacks of built-in codecs for webm support and you cannot install addons like Adblock Edge (though you can easily block most ads through tracking protection lists). IE has also a big advantage to not eat the battery quickly on laptops/PC tablets unlike Firefox and especially Chrome.
Just saying that for the average consumer, Internet Explorer is just fine now.
[QUOTE=ADT;46121106]I'll just disagree on that single sentence. IE11 is good, way better than its previous versions as far as I remember. Sure, it lacks of built-in codecs for webm support and you cannot install addons like Adblock Edge (though you can easily block most ads through tracking protection lists). IE has also a big advantage to not eat the battery quickly on laptops/PC tablets unlike Firefox and especially Chrome.
Just saying that for the average consumer, Internet Explorer is just fine now.[/QUOTE]
Just fine isn't good enough. Despite getting better they still haven't gotten a competetive edge. It is an inferior browser.
People in the future are going to need roadmaps of Windows versions if they're going to install an older version.
[QUOTE=dgg;46121100]It makes your computer run 2-3x better, that's reason enough.[/QUOTE]
That's a gross exaggeration. Under specific benchmark conditions you'll probably find that it is up to 10% faster max.
I've used Windows 7 and 8.1 on a fairly decent machine (i7-980x/24GB DDR3/SSD) and the performance difference was completely negligible. I found that it all came down to personal preference and it is best to use whichever you like more. I did use Classic Shell when using 8.1 though.
However it seems like Windows 10 is trying to bridge the gap between Windows 7 and 8.1 users and that's a good sign, hopefully there can be unity again.
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;46121140]That's a gross exaggeration. Under specific benchmark conditions you'll probably find that it is up to 10% faster max.[/QUOTE]
Feels 2-3x better, so it's 2-3x better. ;)
[QUOTE=dgg;46121108]Just fine isn't good enough. Despite getting better they still haven't gotten a competetive edge. It is an inferior browser.[/QUOTE]
While that being true, most people have difference preferences when it comes to browsers e.g. Chrome vs Firefox. I can see that you are using Firefox and so am I but many users here would argue that Chrome is better.
The HTML5 support for IE11 is actually not too bad and it runs fast enough. The huge thing that it is missing though is the large libraries of addons that Firefox/Chrome have which a 'typical' user wouldn't even use or know about.
[QUOTE=dgg;46121108]Just fine isn't good enough. Despite getting better they still haven't gotten a competetive edge. It is an inferior browser.[/QUOTE]
Again, IE11 is without doubt the best browser choice if you truly don't need addons and want to max out the battery life during web browsing sessions. I won't dispute that Firefox/Chrome is better on a desktop however.
Just hoping that IE12(?) on Windows 10 will include built-in codecs this time.
[QUOTE=dgg;46120852]I have to do that every time I re-install Windows of any version.
I have to download a different browser because Internet Explorer is crap.
I have to download CCleaner because the system clogs up with temporary files, registry faults and leftovers from a shitty uninstaller that can't even delete everything related to what you uninstalled.
I would have installed Revo Uninstaller again if I liked it, so that I can actually uninstall programs properly leaving less shit for CCleaner to do.
I have to download Malwarebytes and Spybot because Windows Defender only covers viruses
I have to download Windirstat to find out what folders or files in my disk takes up all that damn space because Windows doesn't want to give you that information in an overview.
I have to download 7zip because Windows Explorer can only open zip files and nothing more, the format support is also limited.
I have to download Dxtory/Fraps/Shadowplay because Windows still doesn't have a recording software.
I have to download Adobe Photoshop because Paint still is one of the worst image editing programs out there.
I have to download Adobe Premiere Pro because Windows Movie Maker is too limited.
I have to download K-lite or CCCP codec pack because Windows doesn't even have support for more than the very very basic video codecs.
I have to download Word because Notepad and Wordpad are too limited.
I have to download Renamer because Windows doesn't have a batch renaming solution beyond adding (##) behind the same exact name.
I have to download Mumble because Windows doesn't allow me to voice chat with friends otherwise.
etc
etc
[/QUOTE]
There are amount of these items (not all)that do not make an operating system tolerable. They add functionality that is on your criteria list and add to your individual workspace.
Not everyone is going to use an advanced image editor/advanced movie maker, let's not force what could be a large program onto a computer for people who would not use it
[QUOTE=Scratch.;46121961]There are amount of these items (not all)that do not make an operating system tolerable. They add functionality that is on your criteria list and add to your individual workspace.
Not everyone is going to use an advanced image editor/advanced movie maker, let's not force what could be a large program onto a computer for people who would not use it[/QUOTE]
The point is that you replace parts of the OS with third party software.
Classic Shell is just one more program amongst tenfolds of others you download anyways. People make a deal out of it, not because it's a problem, but because they want to make it into a problem.
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