PLEASE SEE MY NEWEST POST, THIS DOESN'T RELATE TO AN i5 OR AN i7!
Originally I didn't want to spend more than $1500 on this build, despite the fact that I'll probably have at LEAST $1800 by some time next week. My intentions for the rest of my money was to save it for buying games and possibly an MP3 player (no I don't already own one). Thing is, I'm considering dishing in more for the sake of making a computer that will truly be a beast and that will last a long, long time.
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Here's what I have so far: (Note that I'm buying from both Newegg and TD because I have to pay tax on Newegg orders and I need to keep the TD cart under 35 pounds to keep shipping free.)
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160]COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case[/url] - $139.99
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320]Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive[/url] - $69.99
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131402]ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard[/url] - $104.99
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008]GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Adapter Up to 54Mbps Wireless Data Rates 64/128 bit WEP, WPA, 802.1x, AES [/url] - $16.99
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823107128]Keyboard[/url] - $6.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3591016&sku=VADC-803878-RTS]Mouse[/url] - $6.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4974035&sku=M452-5004]MSI DH-24AAS-17 Internal DVD Writer - DVD+R 24X, DVD-R 24X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, DVD-RAM 12X, CD-R 48X, CD-RW 32X, SATA[/url] - $34.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5082127&sku=C13-8250]Corsair PC12800 RAM - 4GB, DDR3, 1600MHz, Core i5, Dual Channel, Class 9[/url] - $106.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4950609&sku=A79-0965]AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor - 3.40GHz, Socket AM3, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s) FSB, Retail, Processor with Fan[/url] - $209.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4942567&sku=A466-2300]ASUS VH242H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 20000:1 Dynamic, 16:9, VGA, DVI, HDMI. Black[/url] - $189.99
[url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276567&sku=ULT-LSP750]Ultra LSP750 750-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, SLI-Ready, 135mm Fan, Lifetime Warranty[/url] - $69.99
Grand Total: $1007.01
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I can't decide what GPU to get. All along I've been wanting to get a 5870, but they're never in stock and I either want to build this computer very soon or wait a few months until 5870 is in stock regularly. If I were to just get everything now, I'd probably settle for 5770 crossfired, which ends up being less expensive (and apparently better than) the 5870, but it's really a compromise since I'll want to crossfire 5870's in the future.
Do you guys think I should just wait for the 5870 to be regularly in stock before buying/building my computer, or just get the 5770's now and crossfire?
From what I've been told the performance gain between the i5 and i7 isn't going to matter unless you do a lot of rendering in 3D graphics programs like Maya/3DsMax. Thus for gaming and everyday computing, the advantage of an i7 is very small. I don't think games take advantage of Hyperthreading at all.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.290519[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856[/url]
$1244.90 w/out shipping.
Can probably do 2x5850 if you want instead.
[QUOTE=adzicents;18312831][url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.290519[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856[/url]
$1244.90 w/out shipping.
Can probably do 2x5850 if you want instead.[/QUOTE]
Would the 5870 even fit in the 922 mid-tower?
Based on both replies though I'm thinking i7 isn't necessarily worth it for what I'll be using the computer for, which is primarily gaming and browsing the web and multi-tasking.
I also really feel I should suggest this mobo/CPU combo.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291935[/url]
It is $20 dollars less, and beats the EVGA in every category.
[QUOTE=TY2D2;18312866]I also really feel I should suggest this mobo/CPU combo.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291935[/url]
It is $20 dollars less, and beats the EVGA in every category.[/QUOTE]
Read my post.
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[QUOTE=DSG;18312860]Would the 5870 even fit in the 922 mid-tower?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=adzicents;18312884]Read my post.
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I hadn't seen your post. I was comparing specs on the reply to thread page.
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I would much rather use that HAF 932 anyways. The 922 has less expandability, and less stock features.
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[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291800[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291935[/url]
That's the PSU, Case, Mobo, and CPU I would go with for you. It boils down to $50 more since it doesn't get the $60 discount on the huge combo. But that's really only a net of $10 more since you still get the HAF 932, instead of the 922, so better options for later.
[QUOTE=TY2D2;18312895]I hadn't seen your post. I was comparing specs on the reply to thread page.
[editline]05:20AM[/editline]
I would much rather use that HAF 932 anyways. The 922 has less expandability, and less stock features.
[editline]05:23AM[/editline]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291800[/url]
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.291935[/url]
That's the PSU, Case, Mobo, and CPU I would go with for you. It boils down to $50 more since it doesn't get the $60 discount on the huge combo.[/QUOTE]
I don't think 700W is enough if I end up crossfiring in the future. Are there any combos with 750 or 800?
Hehe yea I didn't think it would either, but when I put it into a wattage calculator, I found out how much it really takes, and I was calculating for dual 5870s, 10 fans, 3 HDDs, 2 DVDs etc. It came to a little over 750, and that is way more stuff than you will have in your PC, I calculated for stuff I wouldn't even have in mine.
You will be in the clear I believe.
700 is enough.
[img]http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1107/power_consumption.jpg[/img]
[url]http://support.asus.com/PowerSupplyCalculator/PSCalculator.aspx?SLanguage=en-us[/url]
^ That told me otherwise.
@adzicents: What system was that run on? (CPU, #HDD, #ODD, #RAM, etc.)
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[editline]09:48PM[/editline]
Those calculators always way over-compensate for things anyway.
[url=http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1107/2/]Didn't take that long to find the test system[/url]
Would a 5870 fit in an UNMODDED HAF 922?
With i7 you have the option chose to upgrade to the new i9 CPU when it comes out. But unless you're doing lots of work that requires multiple cores it won't matter. If you have the money go for the i7, it won't hold you back.
Depends if he buys the higher end i7 or the lower end one that shares the socket with the i5. The high end ones cost over $200 more.
Corsair PSU.
[QUOTE=TY2D2;18321520]Depends if he buys the higher end i7 or the lower end one that shares the socket with the i5. The high end ones cost over $200 more.[/QUOTE]
Are the higher end i7's significantly higher quality than the ones that use the same socket (1156) as the i5?
Also, what socket mobos are most likely to be used (if anyone knows or if anyone has a really good guess) for when Intel announces hexa/octo cores next year? Will they make a new line of mobos or will they make the new CPU's socket compatible with current i5 and i7 boards?
Right now I'm leaning toward just getting the i5 because it seems like the only real use for the i7 is high quality 3D rendering aside from gaming, which is something I'll likely never do.
[QUOTE=DSG;18331023]Are the higher end i7's significantly higher quality than the ones that use the same socket (1156) as the i5?
Also, what socket mobos are most likely to be used (if anyone knows or if anyone has a really good guess) for when Intel announces hexa/octo cores next year? Will they make a new line of mobos or will they make the new CPU's socket compatible with current i5 and i7 boards?
Right now I'm leaning toward just getting the i5 because it seems like the only real use for the i7 is high quality 3D rendering aside from gaming, which is something I'll likely never do.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I've just decided on the Black Edition 965 now, knowing AMD, the Hexa/Octo cores are going to be fine on the Socket AM3, while you would have to get the LGA 1366 Mobo+i7 to go and even be 50% sure about Intels competition.
Time for my contribution.
It all depends for what you're going to use it if for Photoshop,3D modeling/rendering and other things that need lot of processing power you should get the i7.If your going to simply play games the core i5 would be better since you won't relay see much of a increase in FPS.
i7:
pros:
-8 threads
-great overclocking potential
-on board memory controller
-8 MB of L3 cache
-hyper threading
cons:
-EXPENSIVE
-no big increase in FPS when playing games
i5:
pros:
-best when it comes to bang for the buck(pair it up with a 5850 and you're good for some years)
-on board memory controller
-8 MB of L3 cache
-4 cores
cons:
-4 threads
-(do not READ)Stock cooler that it comes with sux
Benchmarks:
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I copied the above from this thread:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=18187229#post18187229[/url]
Was to lazy to type it again.
Bump for an update:
"I can't decide what GPU to get. All along I've been wanting to get a 5870, but they're never in stock and I either want to build this computer very soon or wait a few months until 5870 is in stock regularly. If I were to just get everything now, I'd probably settle for 5770 crossfired, which ends up being less expensive (and apparently better than) the 5870, but it's really a compromise since I'll want to crossfire 5870's in the future.
Do you guys think I should just wait for the 5870 to be regularly in stock before buying/building my computer, or just get the 5770's now and crossfire?"
[QUOTE=DSG;18396117]Bump for an update:
"I can't decide what GPU to get. All along I've been wanting to get a 5870, but they're never in stock and I either want to build this computer very soon or wait a few months until 5870 is in stock regularly. If I were to just get everything now, I'd probably settle for 5770 crossfired, which ends up being less expensive (and apparently better than) the 5870, but it's really a compromise since I'll want to crossfire 5870's in the future.
Do you guys think I should just wait for the 5870 to be regularly in stock before buying/building my computer, or just get the 5770's now and crossfire?"[/QUOTE]
Go for the 5770 crossfire. They perform better than a single 5870.
*Dependent on which game.
[QUOTE=Quantuam VTX;18406088]Go for the 5770 crossfire. They perform better than a single 5870.[/QUOTE]
Not all games support crossfire.
Why not spend 600 dollars on the 5970?
It looks sexy, and big, and over-priced.
But looks like it can run games for the next 50-75 years.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;18409233]Not all games support crossfire.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
[QUOTE=j00tgasm;18409634]Why not spend 600 dollars on the 5970?
It looks sexy, and big, and over-priced.
But looks like it can run games for the next 50-75 years.[/QUOTE]
I was actually considering that and just waiting even longer when my budget is even bigger, but is the 5970 really worth it over a 5870 for $200 more? I mean, in the long run it'll save $200 for crossfiring 5870 but I don't plan on doing that until the 5870 goes quite a bit down in price.
[QUOTE=DSG;18409986]
I was actually considering that and just waiting even longer when my budget is even bigger, but is the 5970 really worth it over a 5870 for $200 more? I mean, in the long run it'll save $200 for crossfiring 5870 but I don't plan on doing that until the 5870 goes quite a bit down in price.[/QUOTE]
I have no clue. there aren't any reviews for it and I don't think it's even out.
Depending on how amazing it is, I might get it for a build in january.
[QUOTE=j00tgasm;18410017]I have no clue. there aren't any reviews for it and I don't think it's even out.
Depending on how amazing it is, I might get it for a build in january.[/QUOTE]
Nov 18th it comes out.
[QUOTE=Quantuam VTX;18410295]Nov 18th it comes out.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I can wait.
I think I'm just going to CrossFire 5770's. As drivers update over time they'll become better and better, and even on beta drivers they're performing very well. I don't think not being able to crossfire on older games will be an issue, and I'm confident that all future games (or at least most) will support it. Also, for $80 less than the 5870 you're getting some very good stuff. This brings my total cost of the computer at $1399 including keyboard/mouse/HDMI cable/better monitor, etc. upgrades I added, but excluding a Wi-Fi solution.
I looked at reviews for that [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008]Gigabyte WiFi Adapter[/url] and they didn't seem very good.... Bad drivers and generally bad experiences with them working with Vista/7.
Does anybody here have a better solution that has good/no drivers and doesn't create/consume a lot of heat? I've been looking at USB adapters but haven't found anything really good in a good price range.
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