• I think my GPU is dead :(
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So today i was going to go play myself a fancy little game, when suddenly, red squares with white flashy lines took over my screen, then i blue-screened. When restarted, even the bios had white flashy lines going horizontally through it. Now my pc is forcing 800x600 and i see white lines with black flashes throughout the screen. My graphics card is a 560ti PALIT, which is prolly why it died, i heard PALiT is notorious for making lemons. Its worked for 3 years, but i think for it to die that quickly is pretty sad. Any suggestions? Update: I am currently cooking my gpu in the oven to fix the issue, wish me luck! UPDATE: Cooking the GPU fixed my problem, works like new again!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gYUrnxt.jpg[/IMG] This is what it's giving me now, 800x600 with a very limited color range, cannot open games, does not open nap, do not pass go, do not collect entertainment.
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43796958]So today i was going to go play myself a fancy little game, when suddenly, red squares with white flashy lines took over my screen, then i blue-screened. When restarted, even the bios had white flashy lines going horizontally through it. Now my pc is forcing 800x600 and i see white lines with black flashes throughout the screen. My graphics card is a 560ti PALIT, which is prolly why it died, i heard PALiT is notorious for making lemons. Its worked for 3 years, but i think for it to die that quickly is pretty sad. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE] Palit is horrible indeed. This could also be the result of corrupted files on the HDD caused by the crash. Try reinstalling the drivers. If it doesn't help, test the card in another PC and/or reinstall Windows. Also make sure it has enough airflow. Check the cooler for dust, especially the fins of the heatsink.
[QUOTE=Drumdevil;43798436]Palit is horrible indeed. This could also be the result of corrupted files on the HDD caused by the crash. Try reinstalling the drivers. If it doesn't help, test the card in another PC and/or reinstall Windows. Also make sure it has enough airflow. Check the cooler for dust, especially the fins of the heatsink.[/QUOTE] This guy has the right idea. Always clean your components frequently. Power off, and take a can of compressed air to the heatsink fins, and see if that improves it any.
[QUOTE=Drumdevil;43798436]Palit is horrible indeed. This could also be the result of corrupted files on the HDD caused by the crash. Try reinstalling the drivers. If it doesn't help, test the card in another PC and/or reinstall Windows. Also make sure it has enough airflow. Check the cooler for dust, especially the fins of the heatsink.[/QUOTE] Well turn me over and call me sally, it worked! I cleaned my ssd and installed windows fresh, and so far so good! At full resoltion with no flickering for about an hour! Gona try a game out. Must have been a software related issue, but only time will tell. EDIT: I also wanted to mention that i could not find a can of air, and so i went ahead and hosed my 560 ti down with the spray thing attached to the sink, soaked it in rice, and blew it with a blow drier, couldnt be cleaner!
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43800028] EDIT: I also wanted to mention that i could not find a can of air, and so i went ahead and hosed my 560 ti down with the spray thing attached to the sink, soaked it in rice, and blew it with a blow drier, couldnt be cleaner![/QUOTE] Yeah it is being frowned upon, but as long as you make sure it's absolutely 100% fucking dry afterwards, you can "wash" your components. I did it before to revive a motherboard that had coffee spilled on it. But it's still dangerous due to corrosion. And I think it voids the warranty of the component :v:.
[B]UPDATE[/B] There is something wrong with Dota 2, it seems like my card is on the verge of a relapse when i play that game, i get little purple squares and then card stops responding, it does not cause the blue screen or prolonged flickering anymore, though. Just tried Left 4 Dead 2, which has been running an hour now with no stutter or problem whatsoever, maybe there is something wrong with Dota 2? Going to try more games to see what happens.
Did you install the latest video drivers? Can you post a speccy?
check temperatures and update drivers
NVIDIA System Information report created on: 02/05/2014 16:34:09 System name: BRADSBEAST-PC [Display] Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit (Service Pack 1) DirectX version: 11.0 GPU processor: GeForce GTX 560 Ti Driver version: 332.21 Direct3D API version: 11 Direct3D feature level: 11_0 CUDA Cores: 384 Core clock: 822 MHz Shader clock: 1645 MHz Memory data rate: 4008 MHz Memory interface: 256-bit Memory bandwidth: 128.26 GB/s Total available graphics memory: 4095 MB CPU: i7 RAM: 8gb DDR3
Is the CPU cooler free of dust?
[QUOTE=Drumdevil;43801667]Is the CPU cooler free of dust?[/QUOTE] Yes... Attempting to play SimCity caused a full crash which caused me to do yet another clean install to fix yet another corrupted file issue. What I'm going to do now is the last thing that I know to do, which is to replace the electrical wires that connect to the GPU. If this does not work all hope is lost and I will have to do nothing until the new graphics card comes out from Nvidia. [B]update[/B] Gonna try to cook the gpu, I heard it can fix this issue
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43802765]Gonna try to cook the gpu, I heard it can fix this issue[/QUOTE] [U][B]Do not do this.[/B][/U] Not only will it cause permanent irreversible damage to your video card, it will coat the inside of your oven with toxic chemicals that will also vent out into your house. It also won't fix the card because conventional home ovens cannot get hot enough to melt either the old 60/40 solder or the new ROHS solder. The only way to repair a GPU with cracked BGA joints without a rework station is by using a heat gun in a controlled manner.
Not saying anything as far as this method fixing his card. The temperature required to "melt" 60/40 solder is around 360 degrees. Fairly achievable by a standard oven. Yes?
UPDATE COOKING THE GPU WORKED, ABLE TO PLAY DOTA FOR 2 HOURS SO FAR NO ISSUES.
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43802765]Gonna try to cook the gpu, I heard it can fix this issue[/QUOTE] this is about as silly as the xbox towel trick what I didn't even know that was a thing :v:[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43804546]UPDATE COOKING THE GPU WORKED, ABLE TO PLAY DOTA FOR 2 HOURS SO FAR NO ISSUES.[/QUOTE] there is no way that is that stable that shit is crazy
[QUOTE=Sally;43803574]Not saying anything as far as this method fixing his card. The temperature required to "melt" 60/40 solder is around 360 degrees. Fairly achievable by a standard oven. Yes?[/QUOTE] No. Temperature required to melt 60/40 solder is 316C (600F). Temperature required to melt ROHS solder is usually higher at 371C (700F). [QUOTE=FrostFire20;43804546]UPDATE COOKING THE GPU WORKED, ABLE TO PLAY DOTA FOR 2 HOURS SO FAR NO ISSUES.[/QUOTE] Enjoy your permanently damaged video card and now cancerous oven. I doubt that the oven cooking will last since it doesn't fix the problem. [QUOTE=J!NX;43804560]there is no way that is that stable that shit is crazy[/QUOTE] The reason tossing the card in the oven creates a temporary fix is because it expands the cracked BGA joints on the bottom of the GPU just enough to make contact again. But it also broils the capacitors and severely reduces their lifespan or causes them to fail and go out of spec. It can also change resistor values all over the PCB, which can further reduce the life of the card by overdriving all sorts of components with wrong voltages and high ripple currents. The proper way to fix a broken video card when you lack a rework station is to completely disassemble the card and flip it over so you're looking at the back of the card. Then you'll want to build a heat shield out of several layers of foil in a squarish shape to put around the back of where the GPU is on the other side of the board. Then you'll want to use a heatgun on a 300C setting about 1-2" from the PCB and move in circles so you heat the PCB evenly and do this for about a minute or two. After that, don't touch the video card and let it cool for about an hour or so and put the card back together. This method avoids heating unnecessary places and causes the least amount of damage possible.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43805516]No. Temperature required to melt 60/40 solder is 316C (600F). Temperature required to melt ROHS solder is usually higher at 371C (700F). Enjoy your permanently damaged video card and now cancerous oven. I doubt that the oven cooking will last since it doesn't fix the problem. The reason tossing the card in the oven creates a temporary fix is because it expands the cracked BGA joints on the bottom of the GPU just enough to make contact again. But it also broils the capacitors and severely reduces their lifespan or causes them to fail and go out of spec. It can also change resistor values all over the PCB, which can further reduce the life of the card by overdriving all sorts of components with wrong voltages and high ripple currents. The proper way to fix a broken video card when you lack a rework station is to completely disassemble the card and flip it over so you're looking at the back of the card. Then you'll want to build a heat shield out of several layers of foil in a squarish shape to put around the back of where the GPU is on the other side of the board. Then you'll want to use a heatgun on a 300C setting about 1-2" from the PCB and move in circles so you heat the PCB evenly and do this for about a minute or two. After that, don't touch the video card and let it cool for about an hour or so and put the card back together. This method avoids heating unnecessary places and causes the least amount of damage possible.[/QUOTE] 6 hours of Dota later, still doin just fine! The GPU didnt really let off any fumes other than the hot metal smell (similar to the smell when you open a fresh electronic). I only really want this 560ti to kick for another month or two so i can transition into the Maxwell cards, while not missing out on the new bloom Dota 2 event. To me its a miracle that my card is still alive though tbh... I washed it with a ton of water, put rice and noodles in it, cooked it, and somehow, its now working better than it has all week! So take that, Mr.Method! Additional info... Cooked for 8.5 mins @ 385F on a mounted oven rack (using aluminum foil origami) Let cool naturally while i aired out the room
I'd clean your oven thoroughly if I were you... This is just a temporary fix though, there are other components on the card that cannot withstand this kinda heat and are probably damaged. I'd start saving up for a new card. Next time, buy a MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA or an OEM card. Avoid shit like Palit, Club3D, Sparkle and XFX.
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43806588]6 hours of Dota later, still doin just fine! The GPU didnt really let off any fumes other than the hot metal smell (similar to the smell when you open a fresh electronic).[/QUOTE] That "fresh electronic" smell is all of the nasty chemicals used to manufacture the PCB + rosin in the solder being evaporated. I don't even want to imagine all of the extra nasty things that came out of those solvents as a result of being broiled. Baking a card in the oven on average lasts a few days at worst and a few months at best. I've never heard of any device lasting longer than that after being destroyed in an oven.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43807212]That "fresh electronic" smell is all of the nasty chemicals used to manufacture the PCB + rosin in the solder being evaporated. I don't even want to imagine all of the extra nasty things that came out of those solvents as a result of being broiled. Baking a card in the oven on average lasts a few days at worst and a few months at best. I've never heard of any device lasting longer than that after being destroyed in an oven.[/QUOTE] Well ill keep you posted Also, there are people that inhale far worse... Like soldiers in the military, rednecks who throw trash in campfires, besides, i had my doors open and i was outside xD
inhale =! ingest The next time you cook food in your oven that stuff is going to get into your food.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43807785]inhale =! ingest The next time you cook food in your oven that stuff is going to get into your food.[/QUOTE] My oven cleans itself :P UPDATE: I called nvdia about this, the guy who spoke with me said hes done this with numerous cards and consoles, and it fixes them long term, he used his oven. He's still working after all this time so im sure it cant be all that toxic xD
My god op is retarded.
Bookmarking this thread for future uses, this is starting to be gold.
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43808148]My oven cleans itself :P[/QUOTE] Self cleaning ovens are for cleaning food, not toxic chemicals. [QUOTE=FrostFire20;43808148]UPDATE: I called nvdia about this, the guy who spoke with me said hes done this with numerous cards and consoles, and it fixes them long term, he used his oven.[/QUOTE] I [I]sincerely doubt[/I] that an Nvidia employee would advocate the use of a food oven for fixing electronic goods, but if he did, he should be fired for being a blithering idiot. [QUOTE=FrostFire20;43808148]He's still working after all this time so im sure it cant be all that toxic xD[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.sentryair.com/solder-fumes.htm[/url] So basically you're releasing: PbO (Lead Oxide), a neurotoxin. Also a byproduct of leaded gasoline which is known to cause significant cognitive impairment in extremely small amounts (micrograms). C6H6 (Benzene) - a known carcinogen. Formaldehyde - also a known carcinogen. Toluene - neurotoxin. Styrene - toxic, causes organ damage. Also potentially carcinogenic. And dozens of other nasty things. This is just covering the solder and the rosin used on the components, not the solvents and other chemicals that were used on the PCB itself.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43818704]Self cleaning ovens are for cleaning food, not toxic chemicals. I [I]sincerely doubt[/I] that an Nvidia employee would advocate the use of a food oven for fixing electronic goods, but if he did, he should be fired for being a blithering idiot. [url]http://www.sentryair.com/solder-fumes.htm[/url] So basically you're releasing: PbO (Lead Oxide), a neurotoxin. Also a byproduct of leaded gasoline which is known to cause significant cognitive impairment in extremely small amounts (micrograms). C6H6 (Benzene) - a known carcinogen. Formaldehyde - also a known carcinogen. Toluene - neurotoxin. Styrene - toxic, causes organ damage. Also potentially carcinogenic. And dozens of other nasty things. This is just covering the solder and the rosin used on the components, not the solvents and other chemicals that were used on the PCB itself.[/QUOTE] Why are you trying so hard to negate the fact that this actually fixed my GPU? Jesus christ man, not everyone here is a hypochondriac.... 1. Lead/Lead oxide doesnt vaporize until it hits at the 500c temp, and thats the temp for the easiest type of lead to vaporize, many types of lead take double, if not triple the temps to create fumes. The worst that could happen in the oven at 385F is the lead could melt and drip to the bottom of the oven, but thats why i put aluminum foil underneath. A few other chemicals you are referring to are in cigarettes and paint, big fucking whoop. The 560ti is so small as it is, and if there really were this many chemicals being vaporized, im pretty sure my GPU would have stopped working by now. Heck, i can even overclock without issues. There will always be people on this forum it seems, who just want to find the negative in everything.
[QUOTE=FrostFire20;43824667]There will always be people on this forum it seems, who just want to find the negative in everything.[/QUOTE] There will always be people on this forum it seems, eternally retarded.
Gigabite, in all honesty using the oven to do a reflow isn't all that bad. Sure, there is some toxic chemicals being released into the atmosphere. I do solder work, and I have to deal it. No one really has the 2-4 grand to throw down on a decent reflow station. And I Honestly don't doubt an nvidia employee telling someone to just use the oven to reflow. I had logitech send me a bag of omron microswitches because they wouldnt honor my warranty. Just remember ventilation is key, you know.. don't be standing right by the vent huffing in the air like you where making fucking cookies.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43829003]There will always be people on this forum it seems, eternally retarded.[/QUOTE] Yes, make fun mentally disabled people, you are totally cool. (Not) Anyways, are you trying to bring any valuable info to this thread? This is not the "Mayo clinic answer desk"
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